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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #150 on: December 04, 2018, 20:46:20 »
:facepalm: indeed...  :not-again:

Maybe in due course, Rocky can update their moulds.  The S2V is a stand up boot.  :2c:

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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #151 on: March 21, 2019, 10:26:43 »
Hello, I'm in need of some assistance with regards to the bootforgen.  I recently purchased a pair of boots from a well known manufacturer that happens to be in the US. I used my USD visa to pay for the boots. Unfortunately my clerk is saying the claim cannot be processed because it is not in Canadian funds.  The amount of the boots is well within the 340 Canadian dollar limit.  Also the canforgen does speak to foreign currency, "FUNDING ENTITLEMENT. REGULAR SHIPPING COSTS AND FOREIGN CURRENCY

EXCHANGE COSTS WILL BE REIMBURSED ONLY IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE 340"

It seems logical to me that the CAF can use the BOC exchange rate on the date of purchase and do the exchange. Anyone ever experienced this issue? And if so, was it resolved?
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #152 on: March 21, 2019, 10:41:10 »
Hello, I'm in need of some assistance with regards to the bootforgen.  I recently purchased a pair of boots from a well known manufacturer that happens to be in the US. I used my USD visa to pay for the boots. Unfortunately my clerk is saying the claim cannot be processed because it is not in Canadian funds.  The amount of the boots is well within the 340 Canadian dollar limit.  Also the canforgen does speak to foreign currency, "FUNDING ENTITLEMENT. REGULAR SHIPPING COSTS AND FOREIGN CURRENCY

EXCHANGE COSTS WILL BE REIMBURSED ONLY IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE 340"

It seems logical to me that the CAF can use the BOC exchange rate on the date of purchase and do the exchange. Anyone ever experienced this issue? And if so, was it resolved?

I would assume that if you had the receipt or credit card statement that showed the exchange rate, it would be good.  Also, a CC statement would show how much you paid in CAD.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2019, 10:42:48 »
Hello, I'm in need of some assistance with regards to the bootforgen.  I recently purchased a pair of boots from a well known manufacturer that happens to be in the US. I used my USD visa to pay for the boots. Unfortunately my clerk is saying the claim cannot be processed because it is not in Canadian funds.  The amount of the boots is well within the 340 Canadian dollar limit.  Also the canforgen does speak to foreign currency, "FUNDING ENTITLEMENT. REGULAR SHIPPING COSTS AND FOREIGN CURRENCY

EXCHANGE COSTS WILL BE REIMBURSED ONLY IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE 340"

It seems logical to me that the CAF can use the BOC exchange rate on the date of purchase and do the exchange. Anyone ever experienced this issue? And if so, was it resolved?

Escalate the issue higher in your clerk's CoC, foreign currency claims are common and solved the way you laid out
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2019, 11:21:45 »
As stated above take your monthly Visa credit card statement that shows the Cdn$ amt and name of supplier along with your receipt which verifies the name of the supplier/amt from the Visa statement,  so the clk can correlate the two. The Visa statement should show the USD converted to Cdn$.

Is "my clk" the Chief Clk? If not, see the CC.

P.S the Bank of Canada exchange rate is not what Visa charges. Visa charges approx. $0.035 commission on each USD exchanged.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #155 on: March 21, 2019, 11:49:00 »
As stated above take your monthly Visa credit card statement that shows the Cdn$ amt and name of supplier along with your receipt which verifies the name of the supplier/amt from the Visa statement,  so the clk can correlate the two. The Visa statement should show the USD converted to Cdn$.

Is "my clk" the Chief Clk? If not, see the CC.

P.S the Bank of Canada exchange rate is not what Visa charges. Visa charges approx. $0.035 commission on each USD exchanged.

As stated in the original post, this was charged to a USD visa. Thus it is posted to the card in US funds.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #156 on: March 21, 2019, 11:59:08 »
As stated in the original post, this was charged to a USD visa. Thus it is posted to the card in US funds.

Solved easily by using the exchange rate at the BOC on that day
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #157 on: March 21, 2019, 12:04:35 »
Solved easily by using the exchange rate at the BOC on that day

Thank you
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #158 on: March 21, 2019, 14:15:11 »
Piece of Cake, missed in your post that you used a USD credit card. Have you looked at this Cdn credit card?

Home Trust Preferred Visa Card.  No fee currency exchange.

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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #159 on: March 21, 2019, 17:55:30 »
As stated above take your monthly Visa credit card statement that shows the Cdn$ amt and name of supplier along with your receipt which verifies the name of the supplier/amt from the Visa statement,  so the clk can correlate the two. The Visa statement should show the USD converted to Cdn$.

Is "my clk" the Chief Clk? If not, see the CC. see the Unit FSA.
P.S the Bank of Canada exchange rate is not what Visa charges. Visa charges approx. $0.035 commission on each USD exchanged.

The Chief Clerk is an HRA and doesn't handle claims processing anymore or employ the FSAs that do.

Hello, I'm in need of some assistance with regards to the bootforgen.  I recently purchased a pair of boots from a well known manufacturer that happens to be in the US. I used my USD visa to pay for the boots. Unfortunately my clerk is saying the claim cannot be processed because it is not in Canadian funds.  The amount of the boots is well within the 340 Canadian dollar limit.  Also the canforgen does speak to foreign currency, "FUNDING ENTITLEMENT. REGULAR SHIPPING COSTS AND FOREIGN CURRENCY

EXCHANGE COSTS WILL BE REIMBURSED ONLY IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE 340"

It seems logical to me that the CAF can use the BOC exchange rate on the date of purchase and do the exchange. Anyone ever experienced this issue? And if so, was it resolved?

This is a very simple matter. Whoever is saying this about it not being paid because it is USD is wrong. Escalate it to their supervisor, and if their supervisor doesn't correct it, grieve it. Seriously, do not let this one go, it's ridiculous.

The CF-52, for which boots are claimed on, even has "foreign currency" and "rate of exchange" written right on it for this purpose.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #160 on: March 21, 2019, 19:35:21 »
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The Chief Clerk is an HRA and doesn't handle claims processing anymore or employ the FSAs that do.

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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #161 on: March 22, 2019, 17:36:15 »
I paid for mine in Euros and had zero problems getting my refund in Canadian dollars, converted by the Clerk at what the rate was on the day of purchase. Your Clerk is wrong, full stop. So, push back.

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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #162 on: March 27, 2019, 04:44:31 »
The Clerk is incorrect in their determination that you are not entitled due to paying in USD funds.

Many of our military units proceed across international borders and require claims settled with exchange calculations, we even issue Foreign currencies at times.

IF you are talking with a Clerk, head to the 2IC Fin, if talking to the Fin Super Visor, head into the ICFin office, if that's not working head to the CClk's office(Likely an FSA but still has power in the OR's) and if they aren't helping, talk to your units Fin Officer(if they are around).

One of them should be of sound mind and be able to get the claim finalized for you. 





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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #163 on: July 08, 2020, 10:42:13 »
In the "Quelle surprise!" department, Boulet is bemoaning BOOTFORGEN. 

Translation below per Google Translate

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“There is no Canadian boot that is supplied for the Canadian military; these are all imported boots, ”lamented Louis Boulet, vice-president of G.A. Boulet companies.

Mr. Boulet pointed out that the amount of the allowance paid to the soldiers is twice as high as the price at which his company sold his boots to National Defense.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/07/07/des-bottes-etrangeres-pour-les-militaires-1
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #164 on: July 08, 2020, 11:18:08 »
In the "Quelle surprise!" department, Boulet is bemoaning BOOTFORGEN. 

Translation below per Google Translate

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/07/07/des-bottes-etrangeres-pour-les-militaires-1

In a lack of sympathy, I'll send him the massive blisters his ridiculously stoopid boots caused me on a BFT a few years ago.

After I healed up I switched back to my good old Mk IIIs and never had a problem again, of course.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #165 on: July 08, 2020, 11:45:44 »
In a lack of sympathy, I'll send him the massive blisters his ridiculously stoopid boots caused me on a BFT a few years ago.

After I healed up I switched back to my good old Mk IIIs and never had a problem again, of course.

I swear those god damn things were made so we never skip leg day.

Edit:  I stand corrected after looking at EITS's post.  The RCAF cripplers are Terras, not Boulets.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #166 on: July 08, 2020, 11:49:34 »
In the "Quelle surprise!" department, Boulet is bemoaning BOOTFORGEN. 

Translation below per Google Translate

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/07/07/des-bottes-etrangeres-pour-les-militaires-1

Which boots were these ones; the Army Cold Wet Weather ones? 

IIRC, Terra made all the CEMS (Air Force) project boots aka "the cripplers".  I'll happily stick with my LPO Magnums and Bates, thank you.    :nod:

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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #167 on: July 08, 2020, 11:56:05 »
Which boots were these ones; the Army Cold Wet Weather ones? 

IIRC, Terra made all the CEMS (Air Force) project boots aka "the cripplers".  I'll happily stick with my LPO Magnums and Bates, thank you.    :nod:

I had the same question...the GP black boots that weighed a ton (not the Gortex), or one of the 3 varying shades/styles of brown, yet all still substandard. (I’ve been issued all of them, except the darkest brown that laced up and had material on either side.) Oh, and was issued a set of desert boots too.  ::)
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #168 on: July 08, 2020, 12:02:07 »
I had the same question...the GP black boots that weighed a ton (not the Gortex), or one of the 3 varying shades/styles of brown, yet all still substandard. (I’ve been issued all of them, except the darkest brown that laced up and had material on either side.) Oh, and was issued a set of desert boots too.  ::)

They made all of those.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #169 on: July 08, 2020, 12:08:18 »
They made all of those.

I see...

Totally irrelevant. I’m taken back to stories/folklore of cadpat boots. (Before my time.) Curious—Did they make those too?
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #170 on: July 08, 2020, 12:10:14 »
I see...

Totally irrelevant. I’m taken back to stories/folklore of cadpat boots. (Before my time.) Curious—Did they make those too?

I think so.  They are essentially the GPB but in CADPAT.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #171 on: July 08, 2020, 12:13:06 »
CADPAT boots were a trial item that never made it into wide production or distribution.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #172 on: July 08, 2020, 12:23:40 »
CADPAT boots were a trial item that never made it into wide production or distribution.

Thank god.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #173 on: July 08, 2020, 12:31:56 »
Thank god.

I am trying to imagine a CSM ordering his company to buy multiple colours of polish and polish each square the proper colour.
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Re: Combat Boots policy 2018-CANFORGEN 127/18
« Reply #174 on: July 08, 2020, 13:04:49 »
I am trying to imagine a CSM ordering his company to buy multiple colours of polish and polish each square the proper colour.

Even worse idea than the jack boots for the garrison dress...thankfully kept mostly within the walls of NDHQ.