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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #100 on: August 28, 2019, 14:59:41 »
I can't remember the guys name off the top of my head, FBJ posted his video here a month or two ago. Ex RCMP intelligence contractor and terrorism expert. He was discussing among other things Canada adding names to the hate groups list or whatever.

I found it interesting when he spoke about Nazi's and how the last time actual Neo-Nazi's killed anyone in Canada was 20 years ago or something and it was one neo-nazi killing his own, also neo-nazi, brother.

His name is Tom Quiggan.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/biography/Tom+Quiggin

Tom Quiggin is a former military intelligence officer, a former intelligence contractor for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and a court appointed expert on jihadist terrorism in both the Federal and criminal courts of Canada. He is the author of SUBMISSION: The Danger of Political Islam to Canada – With a Warning to America, written with co-authors Tahir Gora, Saied Shoaaib, Jonathon Cotler, and Rick Gill with a foreword by Raheel Raza.

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Tom Quiggin is a Senior Researcher at the Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies at Carleton University. A court qualified expert on terrorism and on the use of intelligence as evidence, he is a veteran of 20 years in the intelligence...

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The guy’s on the conspiracy fringe IMHO and getting buy in from folks because he was an insider working the security portfolio, has been ruled an expert witness on terrorism etc. But given what he is pushing at this point, that is about as germane as Hellyer being extra credible about UFOs because he was the MND at one point.

That's enough to get you started. Read his stuff, if you wish, and draw your own conclusions. I'm not foisting anything on anyone.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2019, 15:35:21 »
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Would this fall under the umbrella of being treated guilty without being found guilty? Does the CAF treat sex offenders in our ranks the same way?
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Standards of proof in administrative law are lower than criminal law. Just because someone hasn't been convicted of a criminal offence doesn't mean they still can't be dealt with administratively, up to and including release from the CAF.  We even use the administrative process to release members who have never been accused of a criminal offence but who have quite simply become an administrative burden due to their inability to manage their personal affairs.

And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2019, 17:03:28 »
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And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.
Sergeant David Rodwell was sentenced to six years in prison for child pornography offences and arranging to commit a sexual offence against a child - a 3 year year old kid. He didn't appear to be released from the forces because of his allegations guilty sentence.

Cpl. Jason Moore had
-Three counts of making an indecent image of a child.
-One count of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
-One count of possessing a prohibited image of a child
-One count of failure to comply with a notice issued by investigators

The CAF released him from the forces was placed on administrative duties after his arrest last year.

Kinda see what I mean?  Maybe it's nothing  :nod:
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #103 on: August 28, 2019, 17:42:52 »
Standards of proof in administrative law are lower than criminal law. Just because someone hasn't been convicted of a criminal offence doesn't mean they still can't be dealt with administratively, up to and including release from the CAF.  We even use the administrative process to release members who have never been accused of a criminal offence but who have quite simply become an administrative burden due to their inability to manage their personal affairs.

And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.

True, although the CF practice ( as a government entity) with administrative law still must consistent with the Charter and the human rights code. The right to a fair hearing in admin law is critical. Some immigration and refugee hearings are administrative in nature, and admin decisions are routinely overturned and sent for reconsideration by courts on the basis of Charter requirements.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2019, 18:09:24 »
Years ago, a member of my regiment was allegedly caught with child pornography. From what I understand he had a very frank, honest and firm discussion with the RSM that suggested it would be in the member's best interest to voluntarily release before the civilian police had enough to charge him. Apparently the release was made a top priority. I can't confirm this, but more than one member has said this is what happened.

Sergeant David Rodwell was sentenced to six years in prison for child pornography offences and arranging to commit a sexual offence against a child - a 3 year year old kid. He didn't appear to be released from the forces because of his allegations guilty sentence.

Cpl. Jason Moore had
-Three counts of making an indecent image of a child.
-One count of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
-One count of possessing a prohibited image of a child
-One count of failure to comply with a notice issued by investigators

The CAF released him from the forces was placed on administrative duties after his arrest last year.

Kinda see what I mean?  Maybe it's nothing  :nod:
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #105 on: August 28, 2019, 18:16:39 »
Cpl. Jason Moore had
-Three counts of making an indecent image of a child.
-One count of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
-One count of possessing a prohibited image of a child
-One count of failure to comply with a notice issued by investigators

The CAF released him from the forces was placed on administrative duties after his arrest last year.

Looks like the arrest was circa 2015,

Canadian soldier charged in London, reportedly involving photos of children 
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #106 on: August 28, 2019, 21:58:11 »
And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.

And I'll have to call " not" on this....wish I had kept track of the inmates that only got released after they were in a CC.  That meant the investigation, the trial, the DC time for appeals/ assessments and I  was only seeing them a year to two afterwards and they were just now getting released.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #108 on: September 03, 2019, 18:50:53 »
Looks like Mathews has gone missing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-neo-nazi-group-recruitment-1.5268780
He's been gone for about a week now. Of course people are outraged over his disappearance.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #109 on: September 03, 2019, 18:54:58 »
Here's a "great" commentary by Scott Taylor about Mathews.

It contains such facts like "What we do know for sure is that Mathews joined the Canadian Army reserves eight years ago as a combat engineer" and follow up statements such as "Then there is the question of Mathews’ actual status in the air force at the time the story broke."

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/national-perspectives/scott-taylor-a-plethora-of-unanswered-questions-347882/

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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2019, 19:32:25 »
He's been gone for about a week now. Of course people are outraged over his disappearance.

I didn't see if it was posted before the thread diverged.  I don't think anyone is "outraged" over his disappearance.  "Concerned" might be a better word.  As in concerned about what crap he might get up to, that is.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #111 on: September 03, 2019, 20:10:50 »
Vehicle found ...
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Manitoba RCMP say it has found an abandoned vehicle belonging to a missing man, who is accused of being linked to a neo-Nazi group.

The vehicle, belonging to former Canadian Armed Forces reservist Patrik Mathews, was found Monday on a rural property in the R.M. of Piney, off Highway 12 near Road 81E, RCMP said Tuesday.

A tip that came in just before 4 p.m. led officers from the Sprague RCMP detachment to find the vehicle, which they believe had been parked there for about a week.

Last week police said it was believed Mathews was driving a red, 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT with Manitoba licence plate number HXJ 806.

Mathews was not found following a search of the area.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #112 on: September 03, 2019, 21:06:54 »
Vehicle found ...

That’s within around 10km of the US border, for what it’s worth.

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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2019, 23:21:37 »
No charges were laid, so couldn't he just cross the border if he wanted to?
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #114 on: September 04, 2019, 00:33:25 »
No charges were laid, so couldn't he just cross the border if he wanted to?


Unless there had been some kind of alert put out, I think yes.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #115 on: September 04, 2019, 05:39:57 »
I’d be a little surprised if CBP didn’t have him on a no-go list, but it’s possible.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #116 on: September 04, 2019, 06:33:35 »
No charges were laid, so couldn't he just cross the border if he wanted to?

Even without criminal charges, there are a myriad of reasons why he could be deemed inadmissable to the US.

- Known or suspected ties to certain organizations;
- No means to support himself in the US;
- No US sponsor;
- No legitimate reason to enter the US ("just visiting for a few days" isn't always sufficient)

I’d be a little surprised if CBP didn’t have him on a no-go list, but it’s possible.

Even if they don't, if the USCBP believes he is entering the US to avoid potential prosecution in Canada (they may have intel in this regard) or they believe he does not intend to leave the US, either to return to Canada or travel elsewhere, he can be denied entry.
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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #117 on: September 04, 2019, 07:18:00 »
That’s within around 10km of the US border, for what it’s worth.

Concerning.
Fairly wild country and easy to cross without going through an entry point.

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« Reply #118 on: September 04, 2019, 08:31:35 »
Fairly wild country and easy to cross without going through an entry point.

Very true, and as Brihard noted, there may be a lookout for him at the border, a good reason for him to avoid attempting to enter at a port of entry. USCBP and US Border Patrol actively work the US northern frontier between ports of entry and have a network of sensors to detect illegal crossings. There are significant potential consequences if they pick him up while doing so.
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« Reply #119 on: September 04, 2019, 08:35:58 »
Fairly wild country and easy to cross without going through an entry point.
They should build a wall.   :nod:

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« Reply #120 on: September 04, 2019, 08:51:01 »
They should build a wall.   :nod:

And make Canada pay for it.  :sarcasm:

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« Reply #121 on: September 04, 2019, 10:17:10 »
They should build a wall.   :nod:

We will build it out of snowcrete so it becomes a seasonal and recurring make-work project.
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« Reply #122 on: September 04, 2019, 11:44:50 »
We will build it out of snowcrete so it becomes a seasonal and recurring make-work project.

With EI benefits in the off season?
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« Reply #123 on: September 04, 2019, 11:51:33 »
With EI benefits in the off season?

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Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
« Reply #124 on: September 04, 2019, 19:54:00 »
I’d be a little surprised if CBP didn’t have him on a no-go list, but it’s possible.
Touching on that general theme ...
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A missing former army reservist in Manitoba with alleged ties to a neo-Nazi group likely walked across the border and may have weapons, say police in the United States.

Patrik Mathews was last seen by family members in Beausejour, northeast of Winnipeg, on Aug. 24.

RCMP say they found his vehicle Monday on a rural property near Piney in southeastern Manitoba, about nine kilometres from the U.S. border.

Kittson County Sheriff Mark Wilwant says a bulletin was issued to nearby counties to be on the lookout for Mathews.

He says it's assumed the 26-year-old walked across the border in a remote area and that he could be armed.

Wilwant says there's a concern for public safety because of "ideologies" believed held by Mathews. "He's exhibited behaviours before that are concerning with his beliefs."

A similar warning telling people not to approach Mathews is posted on the Facebook page of the Roseau County sheriff's office*. It also says there are false Facebook postings that say Mathews is wanted for a homicide ...
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