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« Reply #525 on: November 11, 2016, 03:52:17 »
He told me like 80% of canadian armed forces smoke weed.. Buts that ok i stoped smoking that stuff awhile ago it wasnt good for weight loss

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« Reply #526 on: November 11, 2016, 04:08:06 »
So i filled out my apllication but didnt submit it yet what i wanted was Aerospace Telecommunication & Information Systems Technician in the airforce, Army Communication and Information Systems Specialist in the amry, Naval Electronic Sensor Operator in he navy as my 3 choices but it will only let me pick 3 from 1 part of the forces, like if i choose navy it will only let me pick 3 navy jobs, the one i want the most is Naval Electronic Sensor Operator in the navy you get to shoot big guns >:)

Ps: what happens if you acidently fire apon a freindly vehicle? , i seen on the video the navy guy had to shoot a paper ball towed by a f16.

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« Reply #527 on: November 11, 2016, 04:09:52 »
Just remember that while you still keep geting older those 18 yro female recruits stay the same age.

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #528 on: November 11, 2016, 05:10:54 »
I feel like fatboy's first deployment will be on OP HONOUR.


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« Reply #529 on: November 11, 2016, 05:11:32 »
Whats OP Honour?
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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #530 on: November 11, 2016, 06:33:49 »
what happens if you acidently fire apon a freindly vehicle? , i seen on the video the navy guy had to shoot a paper ball towed by a f16.
You say you're someone of a certain age, so using your common sense, what would YOU like the system to do if you were in a vehicle shot at by your own troops?

BTW, you don't need to multi-post all over the place - it doesn't get your questions answered any quicker.
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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #531 on: November 11, 2016, 07:13:48 »
Im gona guess they deduct points on your test.

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« Reply #532 on: November 11, 2016, 07:22:00 »
How do i join op honour sounds like a fun time

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #534 on: November 11, 2016, 07:46:49 »
He told me like 80% of canadian armed forces smoke weed.

I wouldn't know, but you can read more here,

Drug use/drug testing in the CF (merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=16153.650
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« Reply #535 on: November 11, 2016, 07:47:50 »
Im gona guess they deduct points on your test.
OK, then -- you've had your chance to find information from those who know how the system works, and it appears you're not all that interested in a reasonable exchange, so ...

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #536 on: November 11, 2016, 07:50:34 »
the one i want the most is Naval Electronic Sensor Operator

NES Op
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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #537 on: November 11, 2016, 08:12:25 »
My brother still says to lie about marajauna use, seen him when he was here in borden working in the clinic over the summer.

Interesting Smithers...sounds like a Reservist medic at that...maybe even a fat one...might have to do some asking around and see if a test for cause is warranted.

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #538 on: November 12, 2016, 22:21:06 »
Interesting Smithers...sounds like a Reservist medic at that...maybe even a fat one...might have to do some asking around and see if a test for cause is warranted.

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #539 on: January 23, 2019, 22:29:05 »
Ok, Question... I have 25 months 1 day and 5 hours until I apply (socking cash away and getting fit if you need to know) and have been reading this thread and have a question...

I currently have a rowing machine, eliptical, trx, pull up bar, 20lb kettlebell (will be getting a stackable one too), foam roller and some light rubber bands. My work out is split;
Day 1: upper body
Day 2: lower body/core
Day 3: cardio
Day 4:rest/intermittent fast

Now on my upper body and lower body days I train to failure, on my cardio my IB band holds me back. Now I do stretches for my IB band 7 days a week in some way, shape or form.. but right now I'm more concerned with pushups... I can't do any and am reading about greasing the groove... but my understanding is I should only do pushups on the upper body day in order not to over train them and not progress... or is it because I wont go to failure on the other days it is ok? After my upper body days I'm good and sore for 2 or 3 days afterwards, so makes me think I should avoid pushups am I correct or wrong? I am also 6 foot 4 inch, 256 lbs now, down from 270... should I keep my program and focus on cutting fat and the pushups will come? I want to sit around 190lbs before basic... I only use creatine and protein for supplements if you dont count all the coffee I drink ;)

Am I missing anything or should I just be patient and it will come?

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #540 on: January 23, 2019, 23:40:14 »
What are you doing on your upper body day and on your lower body/core day?
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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #541 on: January 24, 2019, 00:07:43 »
What are you doing on your upper body day and on your lower body/core day?

Upper body
5 minutes on eliptical then fluid stretching
Push up from knees to start 6 reps 3 sets (all I can)
Hanging from pull up bar 15 seconds x 3 times
The TRX for tricep, bicep, rowing, chest press, reverse fly exercises
Then I go to a counter do diamond, regular and wide grip pushups till failure

Lower body
Trx hamstring curl and hip press
Squats, both legs and then each leg isolated
Regular Planks from knees and elbows 30 secs x 3
Dolphin planks 30 secs x 3
Side lying leg lifts
Then I do 60 crunches x 3 (20 straight ahead then 20 to each side)

The little I know from the guys I follow have led me to believe to keep the workouts between 30 to 45 minutes.. so trying to keep them in that limit.

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #542 on: January 24, 2019, 01:06:13 »
I have no formal education or training in this, everything I know is self-learned and that ain't a whole lot. If you're doing all this with a trainer ignore what I am saying. Maybe they are looking at your long-term goals of weight loss and just getting your body used to moving / doing work on a consistent basis to start. If you are overweight and the goal is to lose almost 80 lbs over 2 years then sure, 2 days doing muscular work, 1 day doing cardio, and 1 day rest is going to go a long ways towards weight loss if combined with proper nutrition, and if you've lost 14 lbs so far that's great.

But, when it comes to performing more push-ups, etc...

You are not putting nearly enough stress on your body to cause it to have to adapt and therefore grow / improve.

Calisthenics are low-weight and do minimal damage to the muscles. If you want to improve your ability to do push-ups simply through calisthenics, you need to do them *a lot,* and since they don't do a lot of damage to muscles you can do them a lot and still adequately recover. So yes, if you are going to rely solely on calisthenics, then you need to be doing them much more frequently than once every four days if you want to see any improvement. Upper body / lower body splits are usually used by people who are using a lot of weight and therefore need 2+ days to recover after they've put their muscles through a meat grinder.

One thing I did when I wanted to improve my push-up count was start doing sets with a weighted vest. My max was at about 35. If I just kept doing push-ups it seemed like I felt no improvement. When I added a 40lb vest and started doing 3 sets of 8.. then 3 sets of 9 ... then 3 sets of 10... the extra stress from the strength component started adding up quick and within 2-3 workouts I was already seeing results. And that's because I introduced a strength component to it (the vest).

Personally, I think you should be doing something as simple and effective as the "starting strength" program. One of the base components of muscular endurance (which is what push-ups are a measure of) is strength. After the base components are achieved, then it's just "conditioning" after that to get what you want. You're a big guy but if you can't do one actual push-up you are clearly lacking strength. The 3 or 4 simple compound lifts involved in "starting strength" will hit every muscle group you are trying to hit in those work-outs. You will improve your strength throughout your entire body far more effectively than by doing calisthenics and rubber band workouts.

After building up a solid base of strength you will probably find that it is much easier to then condition your muscles to perform low-weight, high-volume calisthenic exercises. As you would already have the strength at that point necessary to perform, they will respond to the new stimulus of higher volume and adapt pretty quickly.
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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #543 on: January 24, 2019, 01:39:09 »
I am not working with a trainer at all, live in a town that doesn't even have a gym so any and all advice I can find I take.

I will start being more aggressive with the workouts then, I was taking the feeling a bit sore to mean I needed to rest. I will try to get to a full body workout 3x week and doing pushups daily. Took a look at the starting strength program, I will need more equipment for it, once the new years resolution used sales start I'll pick what I need up to expand. Whatever I need to effectively train, or well realistically train, compensating for the fact I may prefer some systems to others,  I will get.


I am focusing very heavily on my diet, I took the advice I got here to heart and started cutting down on carbs, sugars etc...

Any rate thanks for shedding light on this for me, I am trying to avoid the set backs of injuries so had to ask and I appreciate the insight.

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Re: Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread
« Reply #544 on: January 24, 2019, 22:02:53 »
Sorry to hear that, that it is a hard limitation to deal and you may have to get creative.

If you having any luck at all, you will find the following:

1. Power rack w/ built-in pull-up bar such as this https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B014CGZQKG/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B014CGZQKG&pd_rd_w=5wHo1&pf_rd_p=dd8bce25-0727-4a5d-b121-eef3dd7bc606&pd_rd_wg=csild&pf_rd_r=M7K21FQYD8JT9G25F9S7&pd_rd_r=285149a5-204c-11e9-9467-7d8fa144a26c
2. A standard 45-lb barbell
3. A bench (so you can slide it under the bar and use it for bench press.... or incline/decline bench if you are inclined to add those lifts eventually)
4. Some cast iron...  A pair each of 2.5s, 5s, 10s, 25s, and 45s. You'll need more 45s as you go up in weight but at least you can buy  those as a reward for your strength gains ;)

If you are saavy you can probably get all that for less than $1000... which is a big commitment, and it requires dedicating some living space that you may not have, but you'll never need a gym membership again if you've got those things. It's old school, simple, and effective.

If that's not workable, you can get creative to add more of a strength component. Start doing push-ups with a plate or sandbag on your back or in a backpack that you are wearing, etc. Start doing your squats while holding the kettle bells or other heavy object in your arms (goblet squat) or above your head (overhead squat), etc. Running up hills, stairs, etc. are all strength exercises.

And, lastly... don't jump to follow my advice. If what you are doing is working (you are losing weight, etc), don't feel like you need to change. If you lose 50 lbs I guarantee your calisthenic performance is bound to improve simply from the weight loss.
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« Reply #545 on: January 24, 2019, 22:28:35 »
Tee hee ;)

We bought a 5 bedroom house.. adding a 6th this spring. I plan on converting half the garage into a gym, I will be picking things up as I go and yes never needing a gym again would be a nice thing.

But sadly.. we will be renting this monster out after I enroll and will likely be downsizing. So for now I will make the best use of it.. but if I get posted to the west coast.. downsizing will be in order if we get to the east we wont need to.

I see one or all three of those things almost weekly up for sale, I will pick one up when I see one for a good deal.. or I will spend my Canadian tire money and just go get it. Plan on getting a treadmill eventually too.

Thanks again for the advice.