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What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« on: September 15, 2020, 20:52:31 »
Not withstanding his current reviled status amongst many, POTUS 45 has brought about what no other US president has achieved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uae-bahrain-israel-peace-deal-trump-b448237.html

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2020, 22:42:14 »
Not withstanding his current reviled status amongst many, POTUS 45 has brought about what no other US president has achieved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uae-bahrain-israel-peace-deal-trump-b448237.html

That is true but hostile media and certain politicians continue to downgrade any accomplishments awarded to trump (you all know - nominated for the peace prize). Jeez, Obama got the peace gong just for being elected!

If Trump wins - good! Doesn't bother me. But if Harris wins, God help us.  :2c:
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 23:34:31 »
Not withstanding his current reviled status amongst many, POTUS 45 has brought about what no other US president has achieved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uae-bahrain-israel-peace-deal-trump-b448237.html

And isn’t that something,eh?  And they will still revile.  It’s hard to imagine I know, but just maybe, all that is said isn’t so. 

Trump tweeted earlier that several other countries will be signing on or recognizing Israel also.  This is huge, but there will be pursed lips and pouts galore.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2020, 09:10:02 »
And isn’t that something,eh?  And they will still revile.  It’s hard to imagine I know, but just maybe, all that is said isn’t so. 

Well, it's harder to use the "I didn't say it" argument when people are directly quoting his tweets. 

Unless the argument is that he didn't tweet that, which opens up another can of worms.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2020, 10:13:17 »
One accomplishment but how many failures?  Just look at the peace within his own country...

The Peace Nobel price should go to someone that has lifelong, continuous contributions to global peace, not just one accomplishment that year....
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2020, 10:21:43 »
Like Obama getting the Peace Prize shortly after becoming President ? The Prize is all about politics rather than accomplishment.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2020, 10:29:20 »
One accomplishment but how many failures?  Just look at the peace within his own country...

The Peace Nobel price should go to someone that has lifelong, continuous contributions to global peace, not just one accomplishment that year....

Hmmmm. Failures? Ok He tried in North Korea. It has not worked as of yet.  Serbia/Kosovo check. MidEast Ok Two down more to come. Afgan is in talks. So I think Trump Peace part of his presidency is going very well.  I would say better then most.

Domestic well its any other story.  But is the same fight to varying degrees across the world. Even in Canada we are seeing it. Brexit etc.

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2020, 11:27:31 »
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One accomplishment but how many failures?  Just look at the peace within his own country...

All in Democrat States and Cities.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 11:45:40 »
One accomplishment but how many failures?  Just look at the peace within his own country...

The Peace Nobel price should go to someone that has lifelong, continuous contributions to global peace, not just one accomplishment that year....

If you think the BLM/antifa riots and violence are Trump’s doing or a legitimate reaction to a Trump presidency, you are wrong. They are driven by the hard left and largely given a pass by the Dems (and probably assisted by our adversaries) to sow fear and destabilize.

How Trump has reacted is commendable.  How many state governors and mayors have reacted is criminal.




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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2020, 11:47:45 »
All in Democrat States and Cities.

And anyone ignoring this has their head up there ***. 


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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2020, 12:18:43 »
It is not about disrupting peace but more about creating peace.  President Trump has done very little on this front within his own country.

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2020, 12:44:45 »
How Trump has reacted is commendable. 

Ok, you'll need to explain that to me.  Adding fuel (and the lighted match, to boot) to a powder keg isn't something I'd call "commendable".

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2020, 13:01:39 »
The Nobel Committee could be considering Trump's cooperation with Russia/Putin. I would be hesitant on accepting that he's worthy for that reason because Trump's motives haven't been established yet.

Theories have varied widely amongst our little group but largely just ignored more than anything else......

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2020, 13:56:27 »
The Nobel Committee could be considering Trump's cooperation with Russia/Putin. I would be hesitant on accepting that he's worthy for that reason because Trump's motives haven't been established yet.

Theories have varied widely amongst our little group but largely just ignored more than anything else......

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He's been president for almost four years. And you still haven't figured out his motives?  ;D
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2020, 14:03:15 »
Hey Don

He's been president for almost four years. And you still haven't figured out his motives?  ;D

Well Shawn, Trump's motives for his buddying up to putin are all over the map, including claims that he's not.
Financial considerations.
Election tampering by Russia
Possible peaceful considerations. (Nobel prize)
Nothing, it's a hoax.

Have I missed anything? What's your choice? Assuming you have one?

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2020, 00:26:54 »
Pulling the thread back to the topic at hand, here is an interview with Mike Pompeo which describes the outlines of how the President and Administration was able to make the deal happen. Some sources claim as many as five other nations will sign on, although I suspect that is a bit overblown - I can see the Gulf States have an interest in this process as a counter to Iran.

Here is the interview:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/09/15/exclusive-pompeo-on-trumps-peace-push-deals-are-all-connected-to-trumps-strategy-recognizing-iran-as-primary-operator-for-inst/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200915

Exclusive %u2013 Pompeo on Trump%u2019s Peace Push: Deals %u2018Are All Connected%u2019 to Trump%u2019s %u2018Strategy%u2019 Recognizing Iran as %u2018Primary Operator for Instability%u2019
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Pompeo%u2019s interview came late Saturday night aboard the U.S. Air Force jet transporting him and the U.S. delegation after he met with the president of the Republic of Cyprus, Nicos Anastasiades, whom he visited here after earlier in the day attending the opening of intra-Afghan peace talks in Doha, Qatar. As the jet touched down in Doha late Friday night the previous evening, the deal being rolled out this week between Bahrain and Israel to normalize relations was announced. Previously, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Israel announced they were normalizing relations. On Tuesday at the White House, representatives of both Bahrain and UAE are meeting with Trump in addition to Israeli officials including Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu.

%u201CIt%u2019s a great question. They are all connected,%u201D Pompeo told Breitbart News when asked to connect the dots between the Afghan peace talks and these other peace deals being rolled out now. %u201CThe president laid down a strategy for how to secure America from instability and threats from the Middle East.%u201D

Pompeo, who is at the White House with Trump and other American officials as part of the historic meetings for the peace deals on Tuesday, said that Trump%u2019s Middle East policy strategy vision began by treating Iran as the main threat in the region.

%u201CIt began by recognizing the primary operator for instability, the Islamic Republic of Iran,%u201D Pompeo said. %u201CThat central decision has begun to drive all of the elements of our foreign policy in the Middle East. Reduce our footprint in Afghanistan, get our young men and women home. Reduce our footprints in Iraq and Syria, be strong in terms of sanctions and place pressure on the regime, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and then lay out a strategy for Middle East peace which had multiple pieces right?%u201D

Several of the steps that laid the groundwork for these major steps toward Middle East peace, Pompeo told Breitbart News, include recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and several other steps taken in Israel. That, he said, has lit a path forward for Arab countries in the region for a vision for peace.

%u201CSome of this is reality: Recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, acknowledge that the Golan Heights indeed is Israeli territory. We%u2019ve also made clear that the settlements in the West Bank weren%u2019t necessarily unlawful,%u201D Pompeo said. %u201CAll of those things come together to place the conditions where frankly countries in the Middle East can see a path forward for how you can take down risk and grow their economies. We think about these deals between Bahrain and the Emirates as security arrangements. That%u2019s true, but the benefits to the economies of those three countries of opening up trade will be enormous.%u201D

Pompeo, who on Saturday in Doha met with leaders of the Afghan government and Taliban delegations at the beginning of intra-Afghan peace talks as the U.S. is as he told Breitbart News on pace for a full withdrawal of all armed forces by next spring, said the U.S. sees Afghanistan and other countries eventually reaching a place where through %u201Ceconomic benefits%u201D to the region they join other Arab nations in push for peace inside their countries and with the West. He said the hope is even Iran will one day come to the table for a real deal, rather than the flawed Iran deal from former President Barack Obama%u2019s and former Vice President Joe Biden%u2019s administration from which Trump withdrew the United States.

%u201CThose economic benefits are the kind of thing that we hope one day is something we can do in Afghanistan,%u201D Pompeo said. %u201CWe%u2019ve made progress in Iraq as well by defeating the caliphate. All of those things come together to reduce risk from the Middle East. We hope that the Iranians will come to see that there is a pathway for them as well, but until they do, the pressure campaign will continue.%u201D

Pompeo also said that while Afghan peace is still a ways away, and that Afghanistan becoming a country like UAE or Bahrain is still even further off, there definitely are other countries in the Middle East that are likely to soon join UAE and Bahrain soon.

%u201CYes there are,%u201D Pompeo said.

Asked if it is a %u201Cpeace through strength%u201D doctrine, like what former President Ronald Reagan championed, Pompeo said it is%u2014but the focus from Trump is on %u201Ceconomic strength.%u201D He added that the president is unafraid, as he has demonstrated, to use military force however to demonstrate America%u2019s might if needed.

%u201CIt%u2019s absolutely the model, with an emphasis on economic strength,%u201D Pompeo said. %u201CThe thing that America does best%u2014our creativity, our innovation, our capacity to create opportunities for good all across the world%u2014it%u2019s absolutely peace through strength. We%u2019re very much focused on making sure if there%u2019s a bad actor, if Qassem Soleimani is threatening America, President Trump will never shy away from using military force. But we%u2019re not going to be engaged in countries doing extended policing when they don%u2019t generate safety and security for the American people.%u201D

This is the second piece from Pompeo%u2019s exclusive interview with Breitbart News. More is forthcoming.

One thing not mentioned which may also have provided leverage is American fracking has essentially made American energy independent and takes away the leverage the oil producing states had. It also changes military calculus in the region, before the US needed to ensure the Straights of Hormuz remained open, now they may only need to ensure that the straights can be closed at the time and place of America's choosing.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2020, 11:47:47 »
Pulling the thread back to the topic at hand, here is an interview with Mike Pompeo which describes the outlines of how the President and Administration was able to make the deal happen. Some sources claim as many as five other nations will sign on, although I suspect that is a bit overblown - I can see the Gulf States have an interest in this process as a counter to Iran.

Here is the interview:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/09/15/exclusive-pompeo-on-trumps-peace-push-deals-are-all-connected-to-trumps-strategy-recognizing-iran-as-primary-operator-for-inst/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200915

Call me biased, but I am not going to blindly believe a Breitbart article without a LOT of fact-checking. 
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2020, 12:13:38 »
I can only imagine the tone and volume of the press coverage if the Obama administration had helped put together three peace/normalization deals - with the promise of more - during his re-election campaign.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2020, 12:36:12 »
Call me biased, but I am not going to blindly believe a Breitbart article without a LOT of fact-checking.

Good idea.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2020, 12:41:11 »
I'm not clear what sort of "fact checking" you are looking for? We have a known event - the signing of peace accords and economic agreements, and we have an interview where a senior Administration figure tells us what steps led up to this process and outcome.

Perhaps the real issue should be why is Breitbart getting and publishing the interview, given the immense importance of the action and the potential downrange consequences? Where is the rest of the American and world media?
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2020, 13:25:15 »
I'm not clear what sort of "fact checking" you are looking for? We have a known event - the signing of peace accords and economic agreements, and we have an interview where a senior Administration figure tells us what steps led up to this process and outcome.

Perhaps the real issue should be why is Breitbart getting and publishing the interview, given the immense importance of the action and the potential downrange consequences? Where is the rest of the American and world media?

Perhaps the "senior Administration figure" wanted a friendly medium for the interview.  While it was not unheard of for previous administrations to seek sympathetic networks to pass their messaging, I can't recall the relationship between an administration and the press being as acrimonious as the current situation.  And though some of that acrimony can be laid at the feet of the media, the current President and his coterie of sycophants also have to accept a major share of the blame.  Yes, it was a "known event", but by using a media outlet such as Breitbart, the Secretary was almost assured that the administration's rosy view would not have to face scrutiny by hard-ball questions.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2020, 14:04:22 »
And a quote from the Breitbart interview with Pompeo:

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%u201CSome of this is reality: Recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, acknowledge that the Golan Heights indeed is Israeli territory. We%u2019ve also made clear that the settlements in the West Bank weren%u2019t necessarily unlawful,%u201D Pompeo said.

Well, if that's all agreed upon and settled then where's the problem? So what if it flies in the face of UN resolution 181.
And the fact that Iran stubbornly stands supportive with that resolution in general principle, regardless of what their motives could be?

Nothing left for Trump to do but get through Iran. Shouldn't be much of a problem, right?

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2020, 14:37:04 »
Iran can wait; besides, the Democrats seem to be more capable of negotiating peace with Iran.  It'd be enough for now to get most of the Arab world to normalize relations with Israel.  Partially solving a problem that no-one has been able to solve for decades isn't a mark of failure.
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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2020, 14:52:57 »
I’ve read recently “an embargoed and bankrupt Iran is teetering on the brink. Its international terrorist appendages, including Hezbollah, are broke.”

I’m guessing, if the pressure is maintained, the people of Iran will force the country to join the rest of the world or at least the rest of the ME. 

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Re: What? Donald Trump as Peacemaker.
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2020, 15:04:09 »
Iran can wait; besides, the Democrats seem to be more capable of negotiating peace with Iran.  It'd be enough for now to get most of the Arab world to normalize relations with Israel.  Partially solving a problem that no-one has been able to solve for decades isn't a mark of failure.

The promotion of the pretense of a partial solution does nothing for solving the problem. Especially when the terms are being dictated by Israel and it's need for more living space.

Having said that, because it's necessary, I can see the possibility of peace in the ME through Trump's efforts if he can buy the cooperation of the Arab states. I think they're all for sale at a price except for Iran.

And just think! Iran could pop up with those nukes any day  now if US suspicions are correct. So how long can America wait before it gets it's war with Iran and does something that's actually 'real' about bringing peace to the ME?

We can probably agree that peace in the ME has to come fairly soon because the situation isn't getting better, it's getting worse as the US loses it's status as the world's only superpower.

Iran with nukes? I can see an equally valid possibility. Iran as a client state of China and Russia in the same way that Israel is a US client. No real need for any of the world's small countries to have nukes! Peace at the end of a gun barrel so to speak.

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