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Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« on: March 26, 2004, 20:52:00 »
im starting my training at the Royal Montreal Regiment (res) on april 6th.   I dont have my uniform yet, but when i get it, do i put it on to travel there?   I mean if i take the subway and all, can i wear my uniform?
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2004, 21:00:00 »
yea when going to and from the armouries you are allowed to wear your uniform just not when your doing somthing non military

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2004, 21:13:00 »
da_man, they‘ll give you a nice long lecture on where and when to wear your uniform.  :D
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2004, 21:52:00 »
While in transport, make sure you are wearing it PROPERLY. I‘ve seen way too many troops doing their basic on public busses and trains around here looking like bags of **** with no headress, undone buttons, unlaced boots, etc

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2004, 00:17:00 »
hey Scarlino. when ya see them make sure to give them a freindly reminder to correct themselves.. from one soldier to another. ive found in alot of cases where ive run into em on the civy streets, they sometimes just dont know any better.

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2004, 20:28:00 »
Just remember, when you are in uniform, you represent not only your unit, but all Canadian Forces soldiers, and so your conduct should be appropriate at all times, even whilst on public transit, etc.

Always wear your headdress in public, unless you are eating a meal or enjoying a bevvy in an appropriate establishment.

I may be mistaken, but I believe you even have to wear headdress while in a personal motor vehicle on a CF base.

Always make sure your dress & deportment is up to parade standard when in public.  If you look like a bag of hammers, people will think the army is nothing but bags of hammers.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2004, 20:39:00 »
My suggestion if you are in the public say on the train or busses, etc, and especially when you are alone, it might be best to travel in civvies with your uniform, etc in a kitbag or better yet keep a uniform at the unit in a locked locker.

There is too many arseholes out there, and many do not have the same view as you would expect.

Here in Australia onwe is not allowed to be in the public unless there is two or more, all due to the threat against us, and alarge population of ethnics in certain areas, where defence people and even their cars have been targeted.

Its for our safety.

Sad, but true in todays society ther are many people out there who are true army haters/haters of the west, righ here in our own countries.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2004, 20:45:00 »
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[qb]I may be mistaken, but I believe you even have to wear headdress while in a personal motor vehicle on a CF base.
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Oh dear... I always try to be very concious of the fact that I‘m representing the forces wherever I go (I don‘t think it would be unfair to say I‘m a walking recruiting poster somtimes) but no one every mentioned this to me regarding headress... I usually remove mine after boarding public transit... are there any standing orders regarding this?

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2004, 21:22:00 »
Well said Wes. Us cadets were told not to travel in our combat uniforms while on public transit. My Lt. once told me of an incident where a small group of cadets were beat up by Serbian teens because they taught they were part of the Army. Sad but true.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2004, 21:26:00 »
The uniform sometimes attracts special kind of people too. Just a week or so ago I was going home on the metro and some guy started telling me he was a "special" commando trained to kill 20 ppl with 1 bullet and trained to dodge bullets and he was also kind enough to demonstrate how to dodge them. I couldn‘t keep a straight face for the life of me. Thank god I was with another soldier who could. Mostly when I travel in public in uniform no one really bothers me. Then there‘s lots of kids saluting you when you pass them which makes it a little uncomfortable because you don‘t know what to do.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2004, 21:30:00 »
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Originally posted by portcullisguy:
[qb]I may be mistaken, but I believe you even have to wear headdress while in a personal motor vehicle on a CF base.
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Oh dear... I always try to be very conscious of the fact that I‘m representing the forces wherever I go (I don‘t think it would be unfair to say I‘m a walking recruiting poster sometimes) but no one every mentioned this to me regarding headress... I usually remove mine after boarding public transit... are there any standing orders regarding this? [/qb]
When entering a Base,going through the gate,yes you will wear your head dress and while driving on base you will keep your head dress on!
Also while in uniform you will keep your head dress on even on the bus,you are in Uniform!!
The only time you take your head dress off is indoors and I don‘t mean the Mall!!

I can‘t believe this!!
Has nobody taught you people the correct dress and deportment when wearing a Uniform?  :mad:
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2004, 21:32:00 »
Crap. I‘m rather glad that was pointed out to me. Thank you.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2004, 21:35:00 »
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[qb] Crap. I‘m rather glad that was pointed out to me. Thank you. [/qb]
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2004, 22:11:00 »
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I can‘t believe this!!
Has nobody taught you people the correct dress and deportment when wearing a Uniform?   :mad:  
Right!...You lot....Two of you escort Spr Earl....Double March.....Spr Earl remove your head dress....Left..Right..Left..Right Turn, Left Turn, Escort and Prisoner Halt....What Say the Guilty B.....  :D
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2004, 22:32:00 »
LOL Wear the **** uniform! be proud of it! if your scared yer gunna get beat up....dont join the Army. I mean hey u could get killed in the army! If you dont know what to do when a little kid salutes u DONT join the army!, maybe just salute him back???? duh! Im not gunna begin with the "Double march" bit......

In closing , its ALL common dog**** stuff......once you have been instructed on the CFAO‘s & QR&O‘s.........

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2004, 22:34:00 »
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Originally posted by George Wallace:
[qb]  
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Originally posted by Spr.Earl:
I can‘t believe this!!
Has nobody taught you people the correct dress and deportment when wearing a Uniform?    :mad:  
Right!...You lot....Two of you escort Spr Earl....Double March.....Spr Earl remove your head dress....Left..Right..Left..Right Turn, Left Turn, Escort and Prisoner Halt....What Say the Guilty B.....   :D  [/qb]
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2004, 22:54:00 »
Actually when on public transit, you do not have wear your headdress.  I have seen it in a CANFORGEN or CFAO.  When I find it I will post it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2004, 22:59:00 »
You forgot the Web Belt. In my day it was "Escort and Accused" Being an escort is not always a nice job. I recall an incident when I ws down at "B" Echalon and the CSM nailed me for Escort duties. We took the first accused in and heared his story, it was all I could do to stop from laughing. Even the Company Commander was having a problem keeping a straight face. His cohort gave an entirely different story. I knew the two people involved and I was thinking, Oh God couldn‘t you guys get you story straight. I‘m busting a gut thinking about this incident that happened 54 years ago.

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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2004, 23:12:00 »
The QR&O Volume 1 Chapter 17 deals with uniforms and appearance.  It is not very specific on when and were you have to wear head dress I will continue searching.

 http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/qr_o/vol1/tofc17_e.asp

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2004, 23:32:00 »
Ok I am really bored, can‘t find the specific order (probably cause it is CANFORGEN and you can‘t get them through the internet) but I found this power point BMQ lesson from 38 brigade about proper uniform wearing, and it says you can remove your headress while on public transport.

armyapp.forces.gc.ca/38cbg_arsd/CD/bmq/MLP/po101/101-06(CFDressRegulationsandAppearance).ppt

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2004, 07:05:00 »
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Originally posted by Wesley H. Allen, CD:
[qb] My suggestion if you are in the public say on the train or busses, etc, and especially when you are alone, it might be best to travel in civvies with your uniform, etc in a kitbag or better yet keep a uniform at the unit in a locked locker.

There is too many arseholes out there, and many do not have the same view as you would expect.

Here in Australia onwe is not allowed to be in the public unless there is two or more, all due to the threat against us, and alarge population of ethnics in certain areas, where defence people and even their cars have been targeted.

Its for our safety.

Sad, but true in todays society ther are many people out there who are true army haters/haters of the west, righ here in our own countries.

Regards,

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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2004, 07:48:00 »
The uniform does not frighten anyone.  There was an incident in Vancouver recently when a middle aged lady started verbally harrassing a group of cadets (some as young as twelve), accusing them of being murderers.

In the states, service members are commonly swarmed and beaten up.  It seems that people see a uniform almost as a challenge.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2004, 08:06:00 »
Art if you think, trying to keep a straight face as an escort is hard, try it as a CSM. I swear I almost dropped my pace stick once and it was a serious effort to a) stop from laughing as I listened to the poor sod‘s story or b) wanting to break said pace stick over his head for such an idiotic poorly prepared excuse.

Anyway back to the topic at hand. I wish I had plug nickel for every public transit story in uniform I‘ve heard or endured.

BC in the late 1970‘s was bad IIRC, and as a young troopie being called a baby burner by the granola brigade on a weekly basis can get to you.

A lot of curious looks in Toronto in the late 1980s early 1990‘s later and some verbal abuse especially when Oka was going down. Fortunately I was usually going to FYA directly from work, so I had my uniform in a duffle. The return trips though I usually coudn‘t be bothered to change into civies and it‘s late at night when the weird and opinionated ride the TTC.

Funny the only place no seemed to notice or perhaps care was in Nfld.

Wes I remember a Brit TA on exchange telling me the no uniform to and from parade rule existed there to due to possible threats (IRA?).
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2004, 08:10:00 »
Da_man,

I‘ve always worn my uniform on buses and in the subway in Montreal.  Except for a couple of odd looks, some strange questions and the usual idiots who saluted me, I never had any problems.

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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2004, 10:06:00 »
Ok so it wasn‘t a CANFORGEN I had seen it was the Dress regs.  The CF Dress Instructions (A-AD-265-000/AG-001), state among other things:

"Public Transportation. Personel travelling
aboard a local public conveyance may remove their
headdress. Personnel travelling extended distances
by aircraft, bus or rail, may remove their headdress while in transit, however, headdress shall be replaced prior to exiting the public conveyance, vehicle or aircraft."

12. Military and Privately Owned Motor
Vehicles (PMV)

a. Members wearing the uniform shall wear
appropriate headdress while operating or
travelling as a passenger in all military
vehicle except:

(1) if the roof of the vehicle is too low to
permit headdress to be worn with
comfort and safety;

(2) on extended trips;

(3) on order of the senior members
present; and

(4) in a staff car, PMV or bus.

NOTE
All vehicles that are rented by DND
are considered to be a military
vehicle.

b. When headdress has been removed in
accordance with the provisions of the
preceding sub-paragraph, it shall be
replaced:

(1) when approaching and leaving a
military establishment; and

(2) immediately upon exiting a military
vehicle or PMV.