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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2005, 21:54:01 »
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No. You must be authorized to wear it on leave, can't say with any certainty about the rest of the time, but who would want to wear a uniform to a bar after working in it all day?

Me.

Anyways how bad could the punishment be even if you get caught?

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2005, 21:56:13 »
If you worked for me, you would not want to find out.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2005, 22:08:35 »
Me.

Anyways how bad could the punishment be even if you get caught?

200 dollar fine would be a very real possibility, I've seen that done in our unit for improperly wearing a uniform - and that's a reserve unit to boot. 
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2005, 22:18:48 »
$200 LOL

That's nothing

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2005, 22:21:59 »
Yeah, but avoiding a charge parade because you can't obey a simple order is a matter of professionalism and pride.

Don't be surprised if your Chain-of-Command starts to percieve you differently because they are having to deal with you.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2005, 22:24:18 »
GHOST,  Is your desire to wear a uniform in public for the purpose of drawing attenetion to the armed forces or drawing attention to yourself?
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2005, 22:28:11 »
I thought women like a man in uniform

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2005, 22:39:44 »
I thought women like a man in uniform (period)

You know as much about Canadian women as you do about punctuation, then.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2005, 22:44:27 »
Now, I'm just asking out of curiousity at this point, because I don't get the point of wearing the uniform to public, as it gets sometimes unwanted attention, but what is going to get you the fine here? Wearing CADPAT to a bar, or not abiding by dress regulations? If that is part of dress regulations, then someone put me in my place...
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2005, 23:04:13 »
Now, I'm just asking out of curiousity at this point, because I don't get the point of wearing the uniform to public, as it gets sometimes unwanted attention, but what is going to get you the fine here? Wearing CADPAT to a bar, or not abiding by dress regulations? If that is part of dress regulations, then someone put me in my place...

One of the troops in our brigade a few years ago was fined for going to a bar and singing Karaoke while in combats.

Another was fined for wearing DEUs to an event on the armoury floor, and disrobing in public while on stage (conducted a wee bit o' a sporran parade).

Stupid stuff, really. 
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2005, 23:05:01 »
Should go back to the old days where you were required to wear your DEUs to and from work and had to have a chit to wear PT strip if you wanted to jog to and from work.   I don't know what happen to wearing your uniform when flying on duty but that should be brought back too.   Should never be ashamed to wear your uniform in public and you should take every opportunity to do it and you should never disgrace yourself and the CF while wearing it.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2005, 23:12:25 »
One of the troops in our brigade a few years ago was fined for going to a bar and singing Karaoke while in combats.

Another was fined for wearing DEUs to an event on the armoury floor, and disrobing in public while on stage (conducted a wee bit o' a sporran parade).

Stupid stuff, really. 

So, technically, simply going out for a pint would not get you fined, should you be witnessed?
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2005, 23:14:35 »
In around Petawawa, having pints, in uniform, at a commercial establishment off base will get you HUNG!
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2005, 23:19:08 »
 I am unsure of the actual policies but, typically around a military base, occasional stop in shopping or social drinks into early evening is accepted(depending on base commanders directives) but as for say a reserve unit in a large city after a parade night, if you are dressed properly and conducting yourself properly with a reasonable excuse as to why you are out in uniform, you should be safe.Keep in mind, you can still be charged no matter what you say because if someone is out to get you, theres no escape from the dreaded 129.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2005, 23:21:07 »
So, technically, simply going out for a pint would not get you fined, should you be witnessed?

As Armymedic's reply will show, there is a big difference between different bases, commands, and elements (ie Regular vs. Reserve).  pbi's earlier points were apt - lunch in uniform is not a big deal, maybe even supper before (or even after) a duty period (day for regs, evening for res).

You can't come out of the field, though, and go for dinner with smelly clothes and dirty boots (and why would you want to).

What it comes down to?  One idiot ruining it for everyone else by not using common sense.  Tell a guy he can go have a drink after work in his combats, and sure as hell you know some assclown will get drop-dead drunk, beat up a cop, urinate on a nun, or what have you, in uniform, and that will be the end of it. 
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2005, 23:24:12 »
This issue involves a little common sense by all members of the CF.

Remembrance day, New Years day Levees, freedom of the city are examples of occasions where members of the Military wander out to civilian bars to go for a *ahem* pop or two after the parade. Mind you that you best be in your DEU's and should act accordingly in public. That I have no problem with.

I have a problem with the people who go straight from work to a bar and sit behind a VLT for 3-4 hours and are still in their combats(Naval Combats included!)

As a rule of thumb, if you are on the way home and it is close to your route or only a quick stop, do your errands. If it's going to take a long time to get there or complete the job, then go home and change.

As for a punishment.... Here are a few that they could make stick easily I'm sure:

NDA 129: Conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline
NDA 97: Drunkenness
NDA 93: Behaved in a disgraceful manner

Bottom line is that when you are outside the confines of the Base, you are in the eye of the public and stand out.... act professional.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2005, 23:26:33 »
Yeah it must be the clothes that cause that kind of behavior   ::)

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2005, 23:40:37 »
Just a funny point to add-on to this!
Before i joined, i used to be a salesman in a hardware store. One day, i seen two guys walking around in combats. They were looking around like if they were "christening the ground". Looked like they were doing house clearing or something!.

That was pretty funny to me. Looked like "show-offs"!

I do some shopping around the base in combats (like everybody does in town here), but if i go further, civvies looked at you like you're a space mutant....

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2005, 00:03:36 »
Yeah but most people tend to stare at you no matter what

When I would leave for work to catch the bus at 6:20 in the morning I would run to the bus stop and people would be out walking their dogs and stare at me.

I would always think who the hell gets up at 6am to walk the f***ing dog and why are they staring at me like I am the weird one.

I would run past this one house and the dogs inside bark like crazy and probably woke everybody in the house up so that was the only cool thing about getting up early.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2005, 00:17:57 »
Just a funny point to add-on to this!
Before i joined, i used to be a salesman in a hardware store. One day, i seen two guys walking around in combats. They were looking around like if they were "christening the ground". Looked like they were doing house clearing or something!.

That was pretty funny to me. Looked like "show-offs"!

You're an engineer.. When I was a 648 we were at the hardware store all the time, purchasing for jobs.. You can't honestly be expected to change into civvies every time you need to pick up supplies.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2005, 00:40:28 »
I remember one time being in Winnipeg at the Polo Park Mall. A young Air Force 2nd Lt was at the food bar without any head dress, his sunglasses nicely placed on top of his head tucked into his hair and his sweater draped garishly over his shoulders with the sleeves tied up in front. He was trying very hard to impress the young ladies off school and seemed to be awaiting a tennis match at the club, very preppy. I pulled him aside and as it was my duty to do so, informed him of who I was and with all due respect and tact that I could muster, asked him to wear the damned uniform Her Majesty issued you with bloody properly. He brushed me off with, "Lighten up Sergeant, it's none of your business." I noted his name and the following day sent a memo to the Base CWO. When I got back to my unit (RSS Thunder Bay), the reply was passed to me verbally that I should mind my own business and stop bothering the Airmen.

I would say that if you want to go pub crawling in uniform, do it in blue.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2005, 00:53:36 »
I am in the PRes in Halifax which is fairly used to a military presense thanks to the Navy, Airforce, and Army (Dockyard, Shearwater, Amouries, etc, respectively). Anyways, it was always made clear to me that you DO NOT wear your uniform unless you are being paid to do so. With the exceptions being the one stop rule on the way home or to work.

I myself, and other in my unit always head out to McDonalds, or Wendys or the like for a quick bite to eat after our parade nights and then head home.. But I would never think about wearing my uniform to the bar or a sit down restaraunt even.

Also, at my university I've seen quite a few people in class in Navy uniform. They're always wearing it properly and what not, so I always assume they head to work right after, or were at work right before and don't have time to change.

I guess it just boils down to it's a work uniform, and when you wear it you represent a large organization by default, whether you like it or not. So it comes down to pure common sense. Just the same as when I worked at Blockbuster, I'm sure they wouldn't let me stand drunk outside the store in my uniform telling customers to F off, even if I was off the clock :)

Common sense, that's all there is to it.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2005, 00:59:37 »
To Feral..

Yes I'm now a 646 and i do have to pick up stuff at the local supplier. When we are in the area to do a job, i agree that we can't get changed before the pick-up. But, you're bringing money into the community and it's time to do the "PR" thing! You're now in the "spotlight" and your highers know where you are and what you're doing...
At the time, you're "on duty"...

Normal dress of the day being combats, there is nothing wrong there...

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2005, 01:02:26 »
Johnny boy , you're right on and the example is quite funny, but true!
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2005, 08:34:07 »
Also, at my university I've seen quite a few people in class in Navy uniform. They're always wearing it properly and what not, so I always assume they head to work right after, or were at work right before and don't have time to change.

Many of these guys would be in the RegF and are given permission to leave work to attend a University Class and then return to work. As long as your dress is of a good standard, it is seen as a common thing to do here in Halifax.
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