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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #125 on: June 19, 2013, 15:53:45 »
Yes, the most junior positions are on the gun position, as well as some misc. admin positions.  Once an O leaves the guns, he will likely move to being a FOO (a crse which all Arty Os complete), but he could also be employed in STA.  There are far too many positions to list for a Capt, and the spread of experience from a brand new Capt to an experienced one is quite large, and some of them can involve a lot of responsibility:  Ops O, RCPO, IG, Tech Staff O etc.

That sounds very interesting, thank you. Being a platoon leader of a gun troop sounds like an amazing experience, and the more senior positions sound fulfilling too. This information has definitly helped with my decision making for when I apply.

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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2013, 18:53:16 »
Yes, the most junior positions are on the gun position, as well as some misc. admin positions.  Once an O leaves the guns, he will likely move to being a FOO (a crse which all Arty Os complete), but he could also be employed in STA.  There are far too many positions to list for a Capt, and the spread of experience from a brand new Capt to an experienced one is quite large, and some of them can involve a lot of responsibility:  Ops O, RCPO, IG, Tech Staff O etc.

Sort of but not really. I for one have never served as a troop commander in a Gun Bty. After my phase training I was immediately posted to an STA Bty within a direct support Regiment. There is also a whole Regiment in which none of the officers will probably ever serve on a gun position. (4AD ring a bell?) The Royal Regiment is a large and diverse organization especially when you consider the Reserves. Also, the experiences will vary widely from unit to unit and year to year. It is quite conceivable that in a few years there vast majority of officers across the Royal Regiment will NEVER command anything on a gun position if the reserves loose the gun task and become STA and mortar units.

All that being said, gun position operations is what ground will probably always remain our primary function. Your phase training will hammer this home to you and I am quite confident that even after spending several years away from "the box" I could quite quickly get back up to speed as a Command Post Officer as could any Artillery Officer.

The wide variety of tasks and career paths available to an Artillery Officer is precisely what makes this such a good profession.
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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #127 on: June 19, 2013, 20:41:46 »
Sort of but not really. I for one have never served as a troop commander in a Gun Bty. After my phase training I was immediately posted to an STA Bty within a direct support Regiment. There is also a whole Regiment in which none of the officers will probably ever serve on a gun position. (4AD ring a bell?) The Royal Regiment is a large and diverse organization especially when you consider the Reserves. Also, the experiences will vary widely from unit to unit and year to year. It is quite conceivable that in a few years there vast majority of officers across the Royal Regiment will NEVER command anything on a gun position if the reserves loose the gun task and become STA and mortar units.

All that being said, gun position operations is what ground will probably always remain our primary function. Your phase training will hammer this home to you and I am quite confident that even after spending several years away from "the box" I could quite quickly get back up to speed as a Command Post Officer as could any Artillery Officer.

The wide variety of tasks and career paths available to an Artillery Officer is precisely what makes this such a good profession.

At this time, the intent is to start moving to the original plan of having all officers go to close support units before moving into STA and AD units.  So, you will do Dp 1.1 (Field artillery), DP 1.2 (Field artillery) and than probably be posted to 1 RCHA in Shilo, 2 RCHA in Pet, or 5 RALC in Valcartier.  From the AD perspective, we are trying to get away from new officers coming to 4 AD since they dont have the training to do any jobs.

That said... you will do a FOO course for sure as mentioned before.  Than, if you want or are volunteered, you will do the STA Tp Comd course and become a locator at a close support regiment or 4 AD or you will do the Air Defence Officer course and do Airspace Coordination or Medium Range Radar (MRR).  You will than do the Arty Ops Course (FECCO is dead/dying this year) and potentially the IG course as a STA O, AD O, or Gun O.  Than the BC course. 

AD IG course at this time is being done in England also if that floats your boat.  The intent for the IG course is to do a common course, than have pers break off into their streams.  So all IGs would do gun recce, than would break off with Gun Area guys/gals doing the OP portion, STA doing an STA portion, and AD doing an AD portion.

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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2013, 20:49:17 »
Sort of but not really. I for one have never served as a troop commander in a Gun Bty. After my phase training I was immediately posted to an STA Bty within a direct support Regiment. There is also a whole Regiment in which none of the officers will probably ever serve on a gun position. (4AD ring a bell?) The Royal Regiment is a large and diverse organization especially when you consider the Reserves. Also, the experiences will vary widely from unit to unit and year to year. It is quite conceivable that in a few years there vast majority of officers across the Royal Regiment will NEVER command anything on a gun position if the reserves loose the gun task and become STA and mortar units.

All that being said, gun position operations is what ground will probably always remain our primary function. Your phase training will hammer this home to you and I am quite confident that even after spending several years away from "the box" I could quite quickly get back up to speed as a Command Post Officer as could any Artillery Officer.

The wide variety of tasks and career paths available to an Artillery Officer is precisely what makes this such a good profession.

I agree with pretty much all you have said, especially the wide variety statement in the last sentence.  Yeah, I forgot about 4 AD, but you can pretty much remove the AD part and insert GSR.  It's just a tradition thing now, and who knows, by the time the OP gets in they may have an AD capability back.

I want to comment on the reserves statements you made.  The STA capability is interesting and giving them UAVs that can be attached easily to Cbt Tms is probably a very good idea.  The mortars are an unfortunate result of a lack of guns, but at least they are keeping there skills up.  Mortar troops (4 tubes) would also be a great attachment to a Cbt Tm, but I wouldn't have them without max supervision.

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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #129 on: June 19, 2013, 20:57:07 »
AD IG course at this time is being done in England also if that floats your boat. 

That is interesting and something that we should keep a grip on if we ever expect to get the AD capability back effectively.

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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #130 on: June 19, 2013, 21:12:59 »
I agree with pretty much all you have said, especially the wide variety statement in the last sentence.  Yeah, I forgot about 4 AD, but you can pretty much remove the AD part and insert GSR.  It's just a tradition thing now, and who knows, by the time the OP gets in they may have an AD capability back.

I want to comment on the reserves statements you made.  The STA capability is interesting and giving them UAVs that can be attached easily to Cbt Tms is probably a very good idea.  The mortars are an unfortunate result of a lack of guns, but at least they are keeping there skills up.  Mortar troops (4 tubes) would also be a great attachment to a Cbt Tm, but I wouldn't have them without max supervision.

The transformation of 4 AD, rumour has it, will change once the change of command is through.  The reality is that without a LRPR capability, there's no real need for a GSR.  The UAS is remaining at 4 AD to justify some positions, but the MRR will be an Air Surveillance Radar first, STA second and the ASCC capabilities will remain there.  Once the shooter piece comes back than the UAS will move out of 4 AD (hopefully).

The IG course in England is not a good COA for the long term maintainance of an AD capability, so the first COA is to maintain the IG course in England as part of the common course.  As we have ASCC and MRR(soon-ish) remaining in Canada, and an AD TSM and AD Officer course returning, as well as FECCO/Arty Ops and the BC course, there's little utility in training someone in Canada on Canadian doctrine than sending them to England to learn something different, than bring them back to teach courses in something different.   :2c: of course.

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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #131 on: June 19, 2013, 21:40:05 »
ASCC capabilities will remain there.[4AD and/or 4GSR]


This is a big deal for me.  The alternative is to have broken air force folks attempting to learn army tactics/operations on the fly.  Air force no doubt need to be there, just not alone.

The IG course in England is not a good COA for the long term maintainance of an AD capability, so the first COA is to maintain the IG course in England as part of the common course.  As we have ASCC and MRR(soon-ish) remaining in Canada, and an AD TSM and AD Officer course returning, as well as FECCO/Arty Ops and the BC course, there's little utility in training someone in Canada on Canadian doctrine than sending them to England to learn something different, than bring them back to teach courses in something different.   :2c: of course.

I get it that it is pointless to learn tactics/drills/doctrine of a piece of equipment that we will never use.  I was thinking about understanding the strategy/technology.  Perhaps tech staff positions.

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Re: Can you explain an arty officer‘s role?
« Reply #132 on: June 19, 2013, 21:59:33 »


This is a big deal for me.  The alternative is to have broken air force folks attempting to learn army tactics/operations on the fly.  Air force no doubt need to be there, just not alone.

I get it that it is pointless to learn tactics/drills/doctrine of a piece of equipment that we will never use.  I was thinking about understanding the strategy/technology.  Perhaps tech staff positions.

Agree with the ASCC.  As for the technology, the Captains career course in the US would be a better fit for Canadian officers to keep up to date with changes.  The UK AD is quite outdated (Rapier and HVM) and they aren't developing new kit.  The US is still developing new AD kit, including Medium range, short range, and C-RAM.  As C-RAM/MANPADs are the likely way of the future (who knows?) and as we are likely to require to tie into an American TDL net, and as the US still maintains a strong GBAD capability that would be a better tie for us in the near-medium term. 

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Artillery Officer Merged Thread
« Reply #133 on: July 29, 2013, 19:59:32 »
I'm trying to read trough the website topics about this subject :

Can you explain an arty officer's role?
http://forums.air-force.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1565.0.html

Training after BMQ, Exactly what happens?
http://forums.air-force.ca/forums/index.php/topic,94005.0.html

Questions about Artillery NCM duties and career progression
http://forums.air-force.ca/forums/index.php/topic,104289.0.html

Artillery Officer Career Progression
http://forums.air-force.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90996.0.html

but I think I'm just unclear about every possible aspect of the job , a lot of people seem to speak about the FOO aspect ( not sure what this is exactly ) , and I'm trying to compare a career as an artillery officer versus an infantry officer ( please don't throw rocks at me :( )

I know its 2 WAY different jobs , but I still want to consider the biggest difference.

I just want to know if this life would be something I could consider or should I choose something else !

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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #134 on: July 29, 2013, 20:05:10 »
If I look at Infantry NCM possibilities ( which I know are based on your qualities and performance )

SPECIALTY TRAINING
Infantry Soldiers may be offered the opportunity to develop specialized skills through formal courses and on-the-job training, including:

Basic Parachutist
Parachute Jumpmaster
Para Instructor
Mountain Warfare
Instructional Techniques
First Aid Instructor
Rappelmaster
Unarmed Combat Instructor
Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Defence Instructor
Urban Operations
 
Top of page
ADVANCED TRAINING
As they progress in their career, Infantry Soldiers who demonstrate the required ability and potential will be offered advanced training. Available courses include:

Instructional Techniques
Primary Army Leadership
Infantry Soldier Section Commander
Infantry Soldier Platoon Second-in-Command
Infantry Soldier Company Sergeant-Major
Communicator
Reconnaissance Patrolling
Anti-Armour Gunner
Sniper
Section Commander
Eryx Gunner
Machinegunner (Heavy and General Purpose)
Small Arms Coach
25mm Gunner and light armoured vehicle Crew Commander
Winter (Arctic) and Jungle Operations
Patrol Pathfinder
Tactical Intelligence Operator


There is a LOT of different things that you can train on , how about artillery ???
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #135 on: July 29, 2013, 20:10:12 »
a lot of people seem to speak about the FOO aspect ( not sure what this is exactly ) , and I'm trying to compare a career as an artillery officer versus an infantry officer ( please don't throw rocks at me :( )

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Artillery adds dignity, to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl

If you read through the FOO threads it should give you a pretty good of what they do, or at least a portion of what they do.  In a really basic simple way of explaining what the FOO role is; they make sure the Artillery Guns drop big bullets onto bad guys.  If you get qualified FAC/JTAC, you tell the Pilots where you want them to drop bombs or fire rockets, etc. Plus the FOO/FAC advises the commander of the sub-unit you are attached to(ex a Infantry company) of what you(RCHA) can offer, preparing fire plans, etc. There are a number of other jobs an Artillery Officer can/will do in their time with the Regiment and ERE(outside the Regiment jobs) postings.

Have you watched the Infantry Officer and Artillery Officer videos on the recruiting website?  It'll give you a good idea of what they do and you'll be able to figure out the difference between them.

If I look at Infantry NCM possibilities ( which I know are based on your qualities and performance )
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There is a LOT of different things that you can train on , how about artillery ???

Yes, there are plenty of Artillery career courses NCMs can do through the various DP levels.  As well, a number of those courses listed for Infantry NCMs are available to Artillery NCMs/Officers and other trades.

Have a look through this thread to see what is available to Artillery Officers/NCMs
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,103901.0.html


There are a few Gunners on the forum, I am sure they will be along soon.  My reply is just based off speaking with Gunners and what I've read on the forum, etc.
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #136 on: July 29, 2013, 20:23:28 »
You can also be shot out of a cannon.... :)
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #137 on: July 29, 2013, 20:29:07 »
You can also be shot out of a cannon.... :)

I'm trying to not end up that way lol , but I guess that's what happens with bad officer hahah !
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #138 on: July 29, 2013, 20:34:04 »
None of the "specialty" training that krimynal posted are Infantry specific.  They are more or less any Army trade and most any CF trade.
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #139 on: July 29, 2013, 20:39:02 »
None of the "specialty" training that krimynal posted are Infantry specific.  They are more or less any Army trade and most any CF trade.

but lets say we live in a perfect world , where everything happens like I wish ( bare with me this is a fantasy ) Could an Artillery Officer be a Parachute Jumpmaster ? or do the Arctic / jungle training ?
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #140 on: July 29, 2013, 20:44:46 »
but lets say we live in a perfect world , where everything happens like I wish ( bare with me this is a fantasy ) Could an Artillery Officer be a Parachute Jumpmaster ? or do the Arctic / jungle training ?

An Artillery Officer can do Basic Para(and others), I don't know what the odds of Jumpmaster are.

I'm not sure of how many people in the CF recently have had the opportunity to do a Jungle Warfare course.  I don't know how common Advanced Winter Warfare for Arty Officers is; I only know one person who has done it, and he was a Infantry MCpl at the time. Some units have also gone up to North during the winter for exercises.
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #141 on: July 29, 2013, 20:45:56 »
An Artillery Officer can be Basic Para qualified, I don't know about Jumpmaster.

I'm not sure too many people in the CF recently have had the opportunity to do a Jungle Warfare course.  Not sure how common Advanced Winter Warfare for Arty Officers is; I only know one person who has done it, and he was a Infantry MCpl at the time.

my brother-in-law ( Sergeant at the 22ND regiment in valcartier ) got chosen to do the Jungle Warfare training this year , he should be leaving soon , that's why I'm asking !
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #142 on: July 29, 2013, 20:50:54 »
*Royal 22nd Regiment(R22eR)

Members have gotten to go to the jungle and train, but not everyone. Right time, right place, etc plus going Infantry doesn't mean you will get to go on it, plenty of Infantry Officers/NCMs haven't had the opportunity.

Don't base a career choice on specialty courses, especially ones that aren't common/hard to get.
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #143 on: July 29, 2013, 20:54:22 »
*Royal 22nd Regiment(R22eR)

Members have gotten to go to the jungle and train, but not everyone. Right time, right place, etc plus going Infantry doesn't mean you will get to go on it, plenty of Infantry Officers/NCMs haven't had the opportunity.


Don't base a career choice on specialty courses, especially ones that aren't common/hard to get.

Definetly not trying to base around that , but I still want to know whats possible on both case , since they are both combat arms , and they are both pretty much hand in hand ( I mean artillery needs infantry and infantry needs artillery )
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #144 on: July 30, 2013, 11:52:51 »
so an officer in Both trades could possibly , if everything goes well , do any of the classes mention above.  That is if the timing , place , etc. is right , but in both It wouldn't damage my application ?
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #145 on: July 30, 2013, 12:30:58 »
I don't think I understand your question. How could courses that you may or may not ever get sometime in the future have any bearing on your application?
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Re: Whats possible for an artillery officer ?
« Reply #146 on: July 30, 2013, 12:45:31 »
The thing is , I'm currently joining the artillery reserve unite here in Shawinigan as a NCM.

I'm thinking of staying there for the next 4 years ( while I do my degree ) but my main choice was Pilot

BUT , I still check for plan B and C , to be totally honest I think I would love just as much to be in the combat arms then to be a Pilot ( eventhought its 2 different jobs totally )

Had many discussion with my girlfriend about joining the combat arms instead of the air-force. 

She doesn't really like the Idea since her dad was in the infantry for 33 years , and her brother-in-law is currently in the infantry also.

She would like me to get a job a little further away from the front line , but she knows me and she knows I think about it a lot.

that's why I keep asking questions about it.

I just want to see what could my option be as an artillery officer , and see if I like the idea.
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« Reply #147 on: September 29, 2013, 01:31:22 »
Hello,

To give background, I am the common-law partner of someone who has recently been accepted into the Armed Forces as an Artillery Officer and he left for basic training in Saint-Jean yesterday. I have a fair idea of what training entails and the timelines associated with this (He will be in basic from September 28th until February 7th, including leave for Christmas holidays) but have very little information on what life might be like after basic has finished.

From what I know, since he is an Officer, second language training is required. It will most likely be in Quebec and that can run anywhere from 2-9 months. After he completes second language training, he will attend Artillery training in, I believe, Gagetown New Brunswick. So, I've got the basics in information but absolutely no idea of any timelines. I'm currently living close to Toronto, Ontario and am hoping to join him shortly after he completes basic to live with him while he completes second language training in Montreal (on our own dime - I realize this may not be do-able depending on what happens directly after Basic, but that is the "plan" as of right now).

So, after all that lovely information I've given, I'd love to hear from other people who have gone through to be Artillery Officers (or anything that would be similar in training I suppose) and hear about your experiences with training in all its various aspects after BMQ. Timelines for each aspect, how it's worked with your spouse and any other information I'm not privy to at the moment.

I'm just looking to get a feel for what it has been like for others since I am fully aware that in the army, nothing is guaranteed or set in stone. I would prefer not to be apart for second language training as it's a pretty decent schedule and I see no reason to stay here in Ontario. We have already decided that I will be selling most of our non-essential items in preparation for this move and also to ensure that our life is as portable as it needs to be. I don't feel as though I have unrealistic expectations but would really appreciate hearing what other people's experiences have been like.

Thank you so much in advance!

P.S - Anyone reading this post who is the spouse of a CF member, any links to forums for families would be greatly appreciated. I've found a couple but none that have been especially helpful in regards to information. I love the input on here but it can be a bit brutal at times and I'm still a bit fresh as he only left yesterday (sorry for any jumbled writing, I've been awake for far too many hours!)

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Re: Artillery Officer - what to expect?
« Reply #148 on: September 29, 2013, 01:36:53 »
Forgot to add one thing - I have searched the forums to try and figure this out before posting a question on the forums (I'm fully aware that you guys aren't fans of repeating yourselves), but if this information has been posted elsewhere, feel free to post the link to where I can read it.

Again, thank you! : )

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Re: Artillery Officer - what to expect?
« Reply #149 on: September 29, 2013, 02:19:59 »
Sorry that I won't be too much help as I went through my training in 1969 in Shilo and things have changed a lot since then.

I just wanted to take the opportunity to welcome you to the family.

It looks to me that you already have the right attitude - stay flexible and keep your sense of humour while things are up in the air. Life will become more stable once you get to a regiment even though you'll still have time apart while he goes off on courses. Kathy and I were posted to both Shilo and Petawawa and found our years there staring a young family as very happy ones.

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