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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2010, 20:00:52 »
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2010, 20:44:19 »
I did pretty bad in high school because i never paid attention. But than i realized that studies are important. anyways i upgraded eng4u credit and got 84, and i took 5 other high school courses again and got marks in 80s and 90s. so my question is, if i apply for an military officer position, how much effect my marks will have on the decision? my 6 high school credits are good enough to get admission in criminal justice/  police foundation. can someone help me out. thanks

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2010, 01:39:21 »
I did pretty bad in high school because i never paid attention. But than i realized that studies are important. anyways i upgraded eng4u credit and got 84, and i took 5 other high school courses again and got marks in 80s and 90s. so my question is, if i apply for an military officer position, how much effect my marks will have on the decision? my 6 high school credits are good enough to get admission in criminal justice/  police foundation. can someone help me out. thanks


Why not just go down to the recruiting center and give it a shot?

You'll never know unless you ask them, and try?
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2010, 08:00:46 »
I did pretty bad in high school because i never paid attention. But than i realized that studies are important. anyways i upgraded eng4u credit and got 84, and i took 5 other high school courses again and got marks in 80s and 90s. so my question is, if i apply for an military officer position, how much effect my marks will have on the decision? my 6 high school credits are good enough to get admission in criminal justice/  police foundation. can someone help me out. thanks

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2010, 20:32:34 »
I will be taking criminal justice degree program in sept 2011. Anyways i went to talk to my recruiter and he said so you want to become a MPO. I am so stupid I didnt know what MPO was, I thought he meant MP. But i didnt know there is MPO and MP. So he started telling me how to become an MPO. He said its hard for me because my high school marks arent good. Anyways my question for you guys is
What are the requirements for MP?
If i go to uni, can I apply as an MPO? this way they wont see my highschool marks atleast because I am in uni.
How tough is it to get accepted?
The recruiter said, there is nothing to lose, just apply and see, maybe you get lucky and we send you to St Jean for prep for RMC. Does it mean, if i get selected for St Jean for prep for RMC, I basically spend 1 year at St Jean and than 4 years at RMC? Also, If I am not successful in St Jean, I get discharged, basically i lose 1 year of my life?

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2010, 20:39:04 »
I will be taking criminal justice degree program in sept 2011. Anyways i went to talk to my recruiter and he said so you want to become a MPO. I am so stupid I didnt know what MPO was, I thought he meant MP. But i didnt know there is MPO and MP. So he started telling me how to become an MPO. He said its hard for me because my high school marks arent good. Anyways my question for you guys is
What are the requirements for MP?
If i go to uni, can I apply as an MPO? this way they wont see my highschool marks atleast because I am in uni.
How tough is it to get accepted?
The recruiter said, there is nothing to lose, just apply and see, maybe you get lucky and we send you to St Jean for prep for RMC. Does it mean, if i get selected for St Jean for prep for RMC, I basically spend 1 year at St Jean and than 4 years at RMC? Also, If I am not successful in St Jean, I get discharged, basically i lose 1 year of my life?

You're not losing a year of your life. During that year you'd be gaining very valuable knowledge that would be beneficial inside and outside military life.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2010, 20:42:35 »
You're not losing a year of your life. During that year you'd be gaining very valuable knowledge that would be beneficial inside and outside military life.
but ill be losing that year at st jeans if i get kicked out at the end of the year. right?

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2010, 20:47:45 »
but ill be losing that year at st jeans if i get kicked out at the end of the year. right?

How old are you? How many years do you have to live? 1 year means nothing. Apply yourself, be determined to finish and not be removed. Just do it, what do you have to lose? Live life.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2010, 22:31:46 »
but ill be losing that year at st jeans if i get kicked out at the end of the year. right?

If you plan to fail then you will. No one said it is easy but if it what you really want then don't let anyone tell you that you can't do it.

How old are you? How many years do you have to live? 1 year means nothing. Apply yourself, be determined to finish and not be removed. Just do it, what do you have to lose? Live life.

1 year is nothing. I remember how slowly time passed when I was younger too but it's incredible how quickly it really goes - that's one reason I am busting my butt on the treadmill now, sure I should have done it when I was 20 but I don't want to be 40 looking back and saying I should have done this when I was 30. You get one shot at life, with no do-overs.

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2010, 22:46:12 »
but ill be losing that year at st jeans if i get kicked out at the end of the year. right?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

.....or save yourself potential agony and just dont apply to the CF.

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2010, 22:47:58 »
He actually wants a guarantee?    ::)
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2010, 23:38:46 »
Also, If I am not successful in St Jean, I get discharged, basically i lose 1 year of my life?

The same can be said about your university ambitions. University isn't easy, and many fail out even after their second year. Like others have already said, if you are already taking a negative outlook on this, you are setting yourself up for failure. Go forward with confidence, determination and the mindset to not fail.

Also, like it has been suggested, please be cognizant of your writing, especially when it comes to your applications. How well or poorly written your essays/ other materials are, is a determining factor with all of these things. If you are going to be studying criminal justice, you will be doing a lot of writing, and communication is a very important aspect of this.

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2010, 12:04:07 »
When you do ROTP, do you do as a cadet officer, second lieutenant or lieutenant? because in forces.ca, ROTP is included in all 3 ranks with different salary. What does that mean?

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2010, 12:33:07 »
Under ROTP, while you are in university, you will be an Officer Cadet (or Naval Cadet if you wear a naval uniform) and paid as such in accordance with the ROTP pay scale.  Once you graduate and are commissioned you will continue to be paid in accordance with the ROTP pay scale up to the rank of Captain (= Lieutenant(N) in the Navy).  Simply put, junior officers of equal rank (except for Captains/Lieutenants(N)) and seniority are paid at different rates depending on their entry plans.  This has no bearing on their employment, training progress or level of responsibility.

I think part of it is to do with the fact that ROTP means 4 years drawing OCdt pay while a DEO who already has a degree starts as a 2Lt. Once the ROTP graduates and gets his commission he gets slightly more pay until each reaches Captain (which seems to be automatic.)

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2011, 01:17:36 »
I live in Mississauga and thinking about joining the reserves. The only problem is, I wanted to join the Military police reserve which in my area, I have armour reserve. Do you think, It will help me become a cop? My goal is to get as much experience as possible from reserve so my resume looks good for police when I apply. I am taking criminal justice in humber college. Its a degree program. What are your thoughts? Am I doing it right so far? Should I go ahead and apply for Reserves? even though the one I wanted to join doesnt exist in my area

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2011, 06:27:13 »
and in my personal opinion, if you're doing the reserves solely to benefit your policing dreams... then what do you have to offer them? Why should they take you?

We've had discussions about this in other threads. The recruiting campaigns advertise "related civilian occupations" and how military experience will help you secure a civie job in a desired field afterwards for a reason. If they didn't want people "using" them just to buff up their application, they wouldn't advertise in such a fashion.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2011, 11:20:05 »
From the forces.ca website:
The minimum academic requirement is a community college diploma in Law and Security Administration, Police Foundations, or a similar program from a recognised Community College or CEGEP.

I'd first suggest asking someone at your college (Program Coordinator/Administrator)  if they've had anyone previously apply as an MP with your particular course diploma, perhaps they could advise you if they were successful or not.  Humber is a CEGEP recognised college, however, your course may, or may not be.  Further to that, I suggest contacting your local CFRC and ask if your course is considered a "similar program" and fits under the MP trade requirement.

The personnel at CFRC Toronto were very knowledgeable about the MP trade, and provided me with great information and advice on my file.  I do NOT have a Police Foundations Diploma, rather, Law and Security Administration.  I can attest to the requirement not being limited to only a Police Foundations diploma, outside that, you should contact your CFRC.

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2011, 11:34:55 »
I live in Mississauga and thinking about joining the reserves. The only problem is, I wanted to join the Military police reserve which in my area, I have armour reserve. Do you think, It will help me become a cop? My goal is to get as much experience as possible from reserve so my resume looks good for police when I apply. I am taking criminal justice in humber college. Its a degree program. What are your thoughts? Am I doing it right so far? Should I go ahead and apply for Reserves? even though the one I wanted to join doesnt exist in my area

Experience in the Reserve, regardless of trade, will benefit you in applying for a career in policing.  I know quite a few Infantry reservists who are now police officers, so you needn't worry.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2011, 12:15:26 »
If you plan on joining the military just to use it as a stepping stone to the police then I would suggest you not join. This sour point with me because I have witnessed many soldiers come and go with the same intent as you, and waste everyone's time and money.
  Also I find in these type of situations, they generally make poor soldiers and even worse team players and thus don't do well in the military, and the police usually pickup on this trait and don't hire them. Keep in mind that because of the large amount of former service personal in the police world they won't look at a couple of years in the reserves as a huge achomplishment like they would a couple of operational tours.

Join to serve your country, not personal gain.. If it happens great, but this military is built on selfless service.

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2011, 12:57:29 »
Also I find in these type of situations, they generally make poor soldiers and even worse team players and thus don't do well in the military, and the police usually pickup on this trait and don't hire them.

You may have an opinion about "these type" being "poor soldiers and even worse team players," but you're insinuating that having the Reserves on your resume is going to show up as a negative, and that's a load of bullshit.

You make it sound so "Go big or go home" and that's just not the case.

I'll say it again, if the CF didn't want to be "used as a stepping stone" they wouldn't advertise "we make a great stepping stone!"
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2011, 13:07:19 »
My advice: Just try and be the best citizen you can be. Surround yourself with great people. You will get defered, maybe more than a few times, so enjoy life in the meantime.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2011, 13:10:32 »
I have witnessed many soldiers come and go with the same intent as you, and waste everyone's time and money.
  Also I find in these type of situations, they generally make poor soldiers and even worse team players and thus don't do well in the military, and the police usually pickup on this trait and don't hire them.

I don't mean to sound confrontational, but how do you know why the police don't hire them?

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2011, 13:29:38 »
Do you think, It will help me become a cop? My goal is to get as much experience as possible from reserve so my resume looks good for police when I apply.

To the original poster.
Topic: "Military to Police Career":
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2011, 14:02:51 »
You may have an opinion about "these type" being "poor soldiers and even worse team players," but you're insinuating that having the Reserves on your resume is going to show up as a negative, and that's a load of bullshit.

You make it sound so "Go big or go home" and that's just not the case.

I'll say it again, if the CF didn't want to be "used as a stepping stone" they wouldn't advertise "we make a great stepping stone!"

Simmer down there pal, First I didn't say the reserves is any kind of negative, only that tours would look better, have another read..

As for the "Go big or go home" theory of work ethic, whats wrong with that?

And I'll stand by my opinion that guys who use the CF for their personal benefit are a "load of bullshit" as you so eloquently put it
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Primary Reserve
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2011, 14:18:03 »
I don't mean to sound confrontational, but how do you know why the police don't hire them?

It is only my theory..
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