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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #325 on: January 18, 2020, 14:42:04 »
Except, they create the command structure, promotes some people into, create staff positions, add a support section in NDHQ, in the schools and neglect to buy equipment and have no troops trained or training to use it in the field. Sticking to a troop level for now means they can use the existing resources and have a Captain/Lieutenant command the Troop and Major advising the Brigade of the AD assets and deployment. once you sorted out the structure, add a troop to each Reg force artillery unit, also select and tag one Reserve unit as well (Likely one co-located to a reg force unit and has sufficient strength.) 

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #326 on: January 18, 2020, 16:06:13 »
Except, they create the command structure, promotes some people into, create staff positions, add a support section in NDHQ, in the schools and neglect to buy equipment and have no troops trained or training to use it in the field. Sticking to a troop level for now means they can use the existing resources and have a Captain/Lieutenant command the Troop and Major advising the Brigade of the AD assets and deployment. once you sorted out the structure, add a troop to each Reg force artillery unit, also select and tag one Reserve unit as well (Likely one co-located to a reg force unit and has sufficient strength.)

That did not work awesome in the 1980s. The RCHA COs generally made no effort to learn Air Defence and generally the AD batteries ended up as either a dumping ground for the gun batteries or as a manning pool to top up the gun dets.

FJAG has it right: get 4 AD Regt fully up and running again, with some reserve units feeding it. We are a rich nation and can afford it.

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #327 on: January 18, 2020, 17:40:02 »
One could start changing mindsets by having the undefended artillery units taken out by enemy air in the exercise and CP's wiped out in the first hours. That may drive the lesson home?

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #328 on: January 19, 2020, 00:29:26 »
One could start changing mindsets by having the undefended artillery units taken out by enemy air in the exercise and CP's wiped out in the first hours. That may drive the lesson home?

Please.

I can assure you that never worked.

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #329 on: January 19, 2020, 21:56:57 »
Avenger is hardly a big-cost high/hi risk investment, although DND is perfectly capable of making it so.  Why is such a difficult decision?
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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #330 on: January 20, 2020, 00:08:11 »
Avenger is hardly a big-cost high/hi risk investment, although DND is perfectly capable of making it so.  Why is such a difficult decision?

And it would integrate easily into the big US umbrella.

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #332 on: April 02, 2020, 16:34:00 »
If we needed a demonstration of how vulnerable a unprotected armoured column is to UAV's equipped with weapon systems, then we can just look what the Turks did to the SAA recently.

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #333 on: April 02, 2020, 16:37:28 »
https://militaryleak.com/2020/04/02/us-army-to-soon-wrap-up-early-testing-of-short-range-air-defense-system/

Maybe a future system for us?
I'd be happy if we just started with a battery or two of Avengers to tide us over.



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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #334 on: April 02, 2020, 16:49:27 »
Please.

I can assure you that never worked.

A lot of the big thinkers say "we should do something about that" and that's about as far as it goes.

PLUS the ones who want to and try to do things are posted before anything happens.
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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #335 on: April 02, 2020, 17:09:02 »
What happens to undefended armoured units in the modern battlespace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q3vKrdGhxA

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #336 on: April 02, 2020, 17:14:11 »
What happens to undefended armoured units in the modern battlespace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q3vKrdGhxA

Gulf War 1 - What was the term they used when they literally bombed the crap out of the Iraqi Army in 191?

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Re: All Things Air Defence/AA (merged)
« Reply #337 on: April 03, 2020, 16:09:41 »
Gulf War 1 - What was the term they used when they literally bombed the crap out of the Iraqi Army in 191?

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Dunkirk was kind of like that too... as was the Falaise pocket
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