Author Topic: Military Swim Test - When, Where, and How- Merged  (Read 238841 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Sundborg

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -105
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 451
  • AB
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2004, 16:31:13 »
Ok, this is how it goes at BMQ.

You will go to the pool on week 2 to do your swim test, and then again on either week 5 or 6.  Keep in mind that it IS NOT a requirement to swim in order to pass the BMQ.

Your swim test on week two will consist of treading water for 2 minutes, then swimmin to the end of a 25m pool (this is done in your combat pants and shirt, so it tends to tire you a bit more).  Then you will have to jump off of a 3m diving board with a life jacket on, and upon surfacing to the water, you must raise your hand an give a thumbs up.  Then after surfacing, you must swim to the end of the 25m pool.  That's it.
If you can not pass that test, then you will "attempt" to redo it on either week 5 or 6.  Again, you will NOT have to pass it or try it again if you do not wish.
The second time going, if you are not redoing your test, you will probably do some pool exercises where you will swim the lengths of the pool a few times with various things and do a few push-ups and sit-ups.

That's pretty much all there is to swimming.
Don't look back; stay out of the mud.

Offline PARAMEDIC

  • Member
  • ****
  • -105
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 135
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2004, 16:53:00 »
thx sundborg really detailed, i like it a lot
the other part is have you done your SQ and if yes ...if you can answer my second part of the question..i.e  will i fail the SQ or BIQ and will i be revoked by my unit if i cant make the swimming part..
thx in advance for your reply..wish everyone could post detailed answers like you have
GROWING OLD IS INEVITABLE...GROWING UP IS OPTIONAL!!

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 198,510
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,890
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2004, 18:59:00 »
I can not help you as far as quoting standards but I can say that on my QL2 we had a small fellow who sunk like a rock as soon as he jumped in the pool. I am almost certain that he failed the test but he still passed the course and went on to his 3's (Artillery) and passed there as well. That was 7 years ago though so it may not be of much help.

Sundborg's post on what you have to do for the test is very accurate, at least from when I was in.
Be nice for no reason.

Offline Sundborg

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -105
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 451
  • AB
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2004, 20:07:12 »
Sappo,

They probably just do a swimming "test" just to see where everyone is at with regards to swimming, so they can put it on one's file just for reference.  Even though it isn't part of the requirements for course, it doesn't hurt to go over the area.
I'm sure for Reserve BMQ they would probably just do something similar, it couldn't be much different, it should be the same standards everywhere.
Don't look back; stay out of the mud.

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 198,510
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,890
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2004, 11:11:07 »
If you ever do an ex in Gagetown you'll understand why they want to know if you can swim. Same friend of mine who was afflicted with the condition of sinking like a rock fell in a hole in the muskeg during our final ex, he's damn lucky others were close enough to get him out because he was an OK swimmer in the pool, but add battle order and........
Be nice for no reason.

Offline AlphaCharlie

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -195
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 371
  • Pro Patria
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2004, 08:58:04 »
Alright, I just did my swim test YESTERDAY, so here's the deal.

BTW i'm on my Reserve DP1 Infantry course (BIQ) at the moment.

1. Hop in the pool with combats on.

2. Tread water for 2 mins. and then swim to the end of the pool.

3. Put on a fancy CadPat lifejacket and look really cool.

4. Forward roll into the pool (thats how you deploy off an assault boat) and swim to the end of the pool.

Swim test is over. Note that the whole test is with combats on.
Ducimus. We Lead.

Offline Sundborg

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -105
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 451
  • AB
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2004, 09:22:10 »
Yup, pretty close to what I remembered.  Did you have a 3m diving board there where you did your test?
Don't look back; stay out of the mud.

Offline AlphaCharlie

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -195
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 371
  • Pro Patria
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2004, 10:13:34 »
Yup, pretty close to what I remembered.   Did you have a 3m diving board there where you did your test?

Negative, no diving board at the pool.
Ducimus. We Lead.

NavyGrunt

  • Guest
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2004, 10:24:40 »
4. Forward roll into the pool (thats how you deploy off an assault boat) and swim to the end of the pool.


Ive never heard that before.

Anyways mine was jump in the pool in gear off the diving board(sommersault) swim 2 lengths, tread water for 5 minutes. Done. Those that failed got a PO failure and were told they had to pass a retest in the next year.

Charlie

  • Guest
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2004, 19:26:27 »
:D Well since you've probably already found out that you have to move your feet and hands to tread water , not just let your body stay afloat by itself (if that's what you were suggesting) I just have one thing to add.  I am a qualified lifeguard and swim instructor, and in our training we learned- and this is 100% true- that, some people just DON'T FLOAT. Because either
                              1)They have low body fat and are very lean, even if you have some body fat you might still be in clined to sink, it depends on the individual and,
                              2)It also depends on your ethnic background. Some ethnicities are more inclined to sink because of their body chemistry. Black people and First Nations people for example are more likely to sink than let's say a person who is Caucasian or Oriental, they would be more likely to float.
                            I hope this helps anyone that is having difficulty floating on their back or such, because since i was a kid, and even after the numerous swimming courses I've taken, it is impossible for me to relax on my back and stay afloat for more than a few seconds.  So I know how frustrating it can be.
By the way I'm 18 and I'm applying to join the Army this year in hopefully, combat engineer, armoured soldier, or artillery air defence. Wish me luck. Bye ; :D
.

Tigger

  • Guest
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2004, 19:14:35 »
Just some more questions on swimming, if u don't mind :)

1. Do we really have to tread the water continuously, or the idea is just to stay afloat without swimming ( and touching anything, of course)

2. Do they time us when we swim 25m, or whatever to the end of the pool, or we just have to swim there with no stop?

Thanks a lot.

 :salute:

Offline Sundborg

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -105
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 451
  • AB
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2004, 21:08:05 »
With regards to tredding water:  as long as you stay afloat, do what you wish.
No they will not time you to get to the end of the pool.  Just as long as you don't touch the sides or anything when you swim there.
Don't look back; stay out of the mud.

Offline Scaddie

  • Member
  • ****
  • -90
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 102
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2004, 23:34:02 »
Yeah man...don't worry about it at all! Last year we only had to pull about 17 out of the 144 recruits out of the pool, but this year we only had one sink. The hardest part is treading water, the basic idea is just to remain floating. If you're strong, not only in the head but physically it won't be hard! Just don't panic, and freeze up. That's the number one mistake!

Offline SprCForr

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 3,852
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 419
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2004, 01:24:16 »
You do not deploy from an assualt boat using a forward roll. That's just Hollywood stuff.
"We don't rent pigs"

LanceaLot

  • Guest
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2004, 03:22:34 »
What if you want to join the Navy, but are not a good swimmer at all, would they toss you?

NavyGrunt

  • Guest
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2004, 08:38:23 »
What if you want to join the Navy, but are not a good swimmer at all, would they toss you?

No. I have buddies in the Navy who still cant swim. Not only did they fail the swimming PC in BMQ- they never re-did it. Their kiliks without ever having redone the test.

As for treading water- we were allowed to do whatever. I just tried to float on my back- semi upright. Hard in all your gear but it worked.

CF104Starfighter

  • Guest
Re: yes yet another swimming topic
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2004, 04:57:58 »
hey guys ..iv'e read thru all the post on swimming but what i want to know is that...
this   applies to all ppl who have been thru basic at st.jean esp most recent graduates ..as seeiing thru other post that standards can change thru time...this is for reg force training..
what i want to know is that during which weeks did you go to the pool for swim training and how many days you spent in the water
and what u did there...yes i have seen all the video and read thru the req...20m with life jacket paddle for 3 mins etc...
the reason why i ask this is that...im an ok swimmer i can do all the requirements but the only problem i have ..other than the fear of drowning is that i can't keep myself afloat for long periods of time...all my friends have been training me on staying afloat.. i spend far too much energy trying to keep afloat..they tell me to relax and that thats the key to staying afloat w/ the hand and leg movements....but when i try to relax and move my arms slowly to conserve energy i sink like i have cement shoes on ....and thats where the fear of drowning comes into play... dont get me wrong i can swim the length of a pool (freestyle or float on my back for long periods of time) its staying afloat vertically thats the   problem ...lenth of an average pool a couple of times...
and tips on how to combat this problem..im taking swim classes at the local pool but still have this problem..
Is this ging to affect me negatively (other than being classified as a non swimmer) thru bmq/sq/biq ..for instance would i fail SQ and BIQ due to not being able to swim good or will i just be classified as a non swimmer and be posted to my unit or be revoked by my unit for this reason...its getting me a little ancy......
oh btw if you are gonna post a reply as "read the faq"   don't just go to another post and do it
sry guys but i ended up flying off the handle on this one numptie hence the verbal warning...oh yeah and 1 post with a numptie comment on my part...so there directing staff   ;D just incase you were coming up with a reminder for me as to why i goot the warning..lol beat you to that didn't I ..huh ,huh...hahahahha
newayz thx for the response and the tips

cheers



I just happen to be a swimming instructor...Maybe I can give some tips.  When you're treading water, make sure your arms are wide.  Make sure the hands are slightly cupped, and make sure your kick is constant.  A good way to keep the kick constant is "eggbeater."  It's self explanatory...Kick your legs like an eggbeater.  Your friends are right...You should just relax.  If you can swim laps, then you can float.  All levels of swimming are progressions, and in the first level, the first progression is floating.  If you know how to swim, you know how to float.  It's a state of mind...Just relax in the water...Nothing's going to happen to you, if anyone sees you struggle and go under, someone will come in and get you.

Offline oittoi

  • Guest
  • *
  • -15
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 21
swim test
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2005, 11:20:55 »
Hi.  I know I have to take swim test during the recruiting process.  Is there any style/stroke you have to swim during the test, or is it ok as long as I can swim 25-50 meters in whatever stroke I want?  I can't swim at all in freestyle (crawl), can swim about 50 meters in breaststroke, and swim for hours in my own funny-looking original style of my own ;D  Does CF requires you to swim in a certain way?  Thanks :cdn:

Offline yukon

  • Member
  • ****
  • 2,065
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 130
Re: swim test
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2005, 11:45:27 »
There is no swim test during the recruiting process, read the recruiting FAQs and browse through the forum for an overview of what's involved. You will be required to write the CFAT, do a medical and physical fitness exam as well as an interview.

If you pass all of these things and move on to basic training I believe you will be required to do a few things in the pool so you might want to brush up on your swimming abilities...if you feel you need a hand with that may I suggest the inflatable water wings, orange in color.:) (and no, as far as I know you won't be able to use them while in basic)

Search the forums for 'swim test' or 'swimming' and I'm sure you'll get quite a few results.

cheers.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2005, 11:48:06 by yukon »

Offline kincanucks

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 13,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,558
    • ARRSE
Re: swim test
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2005, 14:18:19 »
He is not too far off as there has been some discussion that the swimming test should be done at the recruiting level and even perhaps having the applicant obtain his/her Standard First Aid as part of the application requirements.  More to follow.  Cheers.
- Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
- If we are the only intelligent life in the universe, at least there's a finite number of idiots.
- Just when you realize life's a *****, it has puppies.

Offline kincanucks

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 13,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,558
    • ARRSE
Re: swim test
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2005, 10:53:34 »
Are you serious?

What're they gonna do for those first 4 weekends we're locked on base then?!

I guess we need more details but I'm skeptical.

I said it was in discussion and no decisions have been made.  Don't get your knickers all knotted up and don't worry they will find something to do with you.
- Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
- If we are the only intelligent life in the universe, at least there's a finite number of idiots.
- Just when you realize life's a *****, it has puppies.

Offline Scaddie

  • Member
  • ****
  • -90
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 102
Re: swim test
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2005, 11:10:40 »
Generally you will do a swim test during your SQ. All it involves is treading water for two minutes, swimming 25 meters in combats (minus boots),  then doing another 25 metres with a PFD.  It's not very hard if you're  a strong swimmer, though I've seen my share of sinkers.

c4th

  • Guest
Re: swim test
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2005, 11:39:27 »
He is not too far off as there has been some discussion that the swimming test should be done at the recruiting level and even perhaps having the applicant obtain his/her Standard First Aid as part of the application requirements.   More to follow.   Cheers.

I can almost force myself to see the reasoning behind a swim test, but in reality I have had very little cause to swim anywhere with cbt's on.

Having applicants get their standard first aid prior to enrolment is a waste of time.  Does your local St John's ambulance teach the treating Pneumothorax in MOPP high and or any other trauma first-aid?  Are there really that many viable applicants coming in the door that CFRC has to add more prerequisites to enrolment?

Offline kincanucks

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 13,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,558
    • ARRSE
Re: swim test
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2005, 11:49:17 »
I can almost force myself to see the reasoning behind a swim test, but in reality I have had very little cause to swim anywhere with cbt's on.

Having applicants get their standard first aid prior to enrolment is a waste of time.   Does your local St John's ambulance teach the treating Pneumothorax in MOPP high and or any other trauma first-aid?   Are there really that many viable applicants coming in the door that CFRC has to add more prerequisites to enrolment?


The issues arise from CFLRS (St Jean) where they want the recruit better prepared for BMQ.  They feel that if the recruit has some of the basics when they arrive then they can provide more detailed training at the BMQ level and thus producing a better prepared service person for future training.
- Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
- If we are the only intelligent life in the universe, at least there's a finite number of idiots.
- Just when you realize life's a *****, it has puppies.

Offline oittoi

  • Guest
  • *
  • -15
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 21
Re: swim test
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2005, 10:41:31 »
thanks alot, guys, but back to the swimming question:  what if you sink during the SQ then?  Do you get as many chances as you want until you make it or do you fail?  And I was also wandering whether different branches of service expect different swimming standard.  If nobody really cares as long as I pass the test during the SQ, then I wouldn't worry.  But I've been thinking that some units (like reconnaisance or infantry) regiments would expect more swimming skills than arty or armoured since they have to do river crossing and stuff?