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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1325 on: August 23, 2017, 11:29:45 »
The Rebel is nothing but a tabloid, and I don't mean in the printing format.

They may very well get a few good pieces out every once in awhile.  But by and large, their staff are mostly inexperienced wannabe journalists who would rather post a story with the intent of stirring the pot than to do the tiniest bit of fact checking or even asking if the other side has something to say.

I'm speaking from experience.

It's a shame, because there have been a few really hard working individuals that are willing to do the hard work to get into the nitty gritty that no one wants to talk about, but their work is overshadowed by Team Instant Gratification.
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1326 on: August 23, 2017, 11:56:22 »
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Jesse Brown did a pretty good show this week on Ezra and The Rebel. it's worth a listen.
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« Reply #1327 on: August 23, 2017, 12:03:06 »
Jesse Brown did a pretty good show this week on Ezra and The Rebel.
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1328 on: August 23, 2017, 12:25:48 »
Yup, big fan. In the same boat as you re: not always agreeing, but I agree more than I don't.

And the fact that he makes things very uncomfortable for Ezra is pretty rad in my books.
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1329 on: September 10, 2017, 01:21:41 »
Interesting development, Rebel media is pre emptively seeking ways to eliminate their dependence of platforms like YouTube. Being deplatformed, having your platform demonetized (i.e. they play ads on your videos but you receive no revenue), preventing linking or playing on other sites is already a way of life for many conservatives and conservative channels on YouTube, so this seems entirely warranted:

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Considering how Sun TV was deplatformed by tilting the playing field against it (every news channel was included in basic cable packages except Sun TV, and the CRTC would not relent either place Sun on basic cable, or force other news channels to be put on specialty packages), Ezra has reason to be concerned.
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1330 on: November 18, 2018, 11:25:58 »
Looks like the battle lines are being drawn early:

TAGHVA: Union representing Canadian journalists declares itself the resistance to Andrew Scheer

Can the mainstream media be trusted when the union representing them actively declares its opposition to a party not even in power?
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1331 on: November 18, 2018, 11:49:36 »
TAGHVA: Union representing Canadian journalists declares itself the resistance to Andrew Scheer
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1332 on: November 18, 2018, 16:13:33 »
Looks like the battle lines are being drawn early:

TAGHVA: Union representing Canadian journalists declares itself the resistance to Andrew Scheer

Can the mainstream media be trusted when the union representing them actively declares its opposition to a party not even in power?

Context?  It is always helpful to drill down to some basic numbers to see if this is worth more than a yawn.

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. . . the post opens up a serious can of worms as Unifor represents over 13,000 Canadian journalists.

For years many have argued that Canada’s mainstream press maintain a centre-left bias, this post only goes to further that sentiment in a dangerous way.

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Unifor is Canada’s largest private sector union, with more than 315,000 members across the country, working in every major sector of the Canadian economy.

So a little over 4% of the union membership is driving the agenda or is it that the union leadership is mandating the work output of those "13,000 journalists"?  But the one journalist that the article's writer quoted did not appear to be a union parrot, and even though he is a member of that profession employed by the mainstream media (sorta, it is Global after all), he is well respected (even on these means where he has occasionally participated) for his independence of thought.  Surely, he can't be the only one.

And are all those 13,000 union members actually "journalists" (you know, guys and gals who write the news or opinion pieces that fill the spaces between advertisements) or does it include a large number of the minions who do many of the other administrative and technical jobs that are required in a news organization.  I wasn't able to find the number of individuals who identified themselves as journalists in the last census (I am not happy with the "new look and feel" of the StatsCan pages) but in one dated article (from 2013) the writer quoted a figure of just over 13,000.  Are all journalists in Canada represented by this one union?  Unlikely, since the majority of those at the bête noire of leftist Canadian MSM, the CBC, are represented by a competing union.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1333 on: November 18, 2018, 17:23:25 »
Hmmm. Well, you will likely see paid internships for online “journalism”, for outlets such as Rabble, Vice and the CCPA. The payor is Unifor or OPSEU, but the employer is the respective journalistic entity. I will grab some pics tomorrow from the student job board. But on the whole, when has the media not played the role of official opposition?

“Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together. An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mould the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.” Joseph Pulitzer. This was a man with no time for fools or conspiracy theories. The quote is on the wall at the entrance to the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, an institution which for many years, and probably even more so today, has no genuine or worthy Canadian peer.

How far the media has wandered off from   “Able, disinterested, public spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it..”  is anybody’s guess. And what would be the categories of metrics when truth is disposable or inconvenient. Did Pulitzer capture those metrics, because if he did, then the level of “resistance” surely is not one of them.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1334 on: November 24, 2018, 16:51:43 »
The National Post has an opinion piece on the new cash infusion set to be given to the media by the Liberals leading into an election.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-liberals-600m-aid-package-for-news-media-will-irrevocably-politicize-the-press

Hard to see how the government didn't see the bad optics in this.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1335 on: November 24, 2018, 17:09:48 »
Hard to see how the government didn't see the bad optics in this.

The bad optics will be quickly overshadowed by the constant stream of positively spun Liberal slanted "news".
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1336 on: November 25, 2018, 09:37:42 »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-liberals-600m-aid-package-for-news-media-will-irrevocably-politicize-the-press

Hard to see how the government didn't see the bad optics in this.
I'm guessing that they saw the optics, weighed the pros & cons, and decided that a potentially beholden press was worth the effort given any public outcry would soon fade to typical Canadian disinterest.

I thought that the opinion piece was well written, but then (probably because I guess my coffee hadn't yet kicked in  ::) ), I clicked on the comments.  The first one I saw triggered flashbacks:
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1337 on: November 25, 2018, 09:49:24 »
Journeyman,

The reaction in the comments section that you highlighted is exactly the problem with this "bright" idea.

For the full on loonies, this destroys whatever credibility the Canadian media once had. Welcome the full blown, post fact Trumpites to Canada.

Even for more reasoned and thoughtful folks, it has now got to plant at least a seed of doubt in peoples minds that any news coverage the Liberals get from here on out is tainted. Even I wonder how the Conservatives can possibly get a fair shake, now. Even sub-conciously, if you are a reporter or editor in Canada and the difference between having a job or not having one is this program, how hard are you going to try to dig up dirt on the Liberals?

This is precisely why governments should have nothing...NOTHING...to do with media, beyond holding press conferences amd giving interviews. Ever.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1338 on: November 25, 2018, 13:19:47 »
Journeyman,

The reaction in the comments section that you highlighted is exactly the problem with this "bright" idea.

For the full on loonies, this destroys whatever credibility the Canadian media once had. Welcome the full blown, post fact Trumpites to Canada.

Even for more reasoned and thoughtful folks, it has now got to plant at least a seed of doubt in peoples minds that any news coverage the Liberals get from here on out is tainted. Even I wonder how the Conservatives can possibly get a fair shake, now. Even sub-conciously, if you are a reporter or editor in Canada and the difference between having a job or not having one is this program, how hard are you going to try to dig up dirt on the Liberals?

This is precisely why governments should have nothing...NOTHING...to do with media, beyond holding press conferences amd giving interviews. Ever.

This is pretty much how things look to me as well.

After having spent some time immersed in the American media environment I was reassured by the appearance of a generally balanced news media in Canada, that wasn't obviously a shill for one side or the other. With the government now proposing to directly fund the news media that appearance goes out the window. Jokes about the Communist Broadcasting Corporation were amusing(kinda? not really...) because we had other independent media sources to balance any perceived CBC bias.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1339 on: December 14, 2018, 09:33:16 »
http://nationalpost.pressreader.com/national-post-latest-edition/20181214/textview

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   If you are a progressive, listening to Hannity may make your head explode, Lawrence Solomon warns.

Ever wonder why Donald Trump hasn’t been impeached yet, given the mountains of evidence against him and all those convictions of his cronies? Maybe you were even surprised that he was elected president. And that the stock market immediately soared. And that manufacturing has come back to the United States. And that U.S. economic growth is again at levels many thought were a thing of the past.

Maybe you were also surprised that the Brits voted to exit the European Union, and that the citizens in other European countries are moving in the same direction. And that the Paris climate accord has led to the disaccord torching Paris streets. Maybe you’re wondering why peak oil never happened, and why you stopped hearing about all those Pacific islands that were going to be submerged by global warming.

If so, don’t blame yourself. Blame the mainstream media, which has misled you and so often left you clueless. But there is a way to recover your understanding of the world, so that current events don’t keep throwing you for a loop. The cure isn’t for everyone. But those who want to be in the know can take the medicine, strictly following instructions.

The medicine is called Fox News. If you are a progressive for whom a low dose is required, you must never watch Sean Hannity, certainly not in the first year, before you’ve developed antibodies. He’ll make your head explode. Also on the DO-NOT WATCH list are Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham. If you do happen to stumble on one of them the only antidote is switching to Shepard Smith’s 3 p.m. ET show at the earliest opportunity (maybe even TiVo him for use in an emergency). Shep will restore your equilibrium with some of TV’s finest Trump bashing, familiarly in the guise of presenting impartial news, just like they do on other networks.

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Fox News provides opposing perspectives, often articulated by their most accomplished advocates in head-to-head debates, letting you judge for yourself whose arguments best stand up to scrutiny. Satisfyingly, these exchanges, and other interviews involving politics and law, also provide the civics lessons that schools today neglect. Crystal-clear explanations from the likes of passionate civil libertarians like Dershowitz are a treat to imbibe. With so much of the news these days involving complex process issues — the Mueller investigation into Trump’s suspected Russian collusion, the Kavanaugh Supreme Court confirmation hearing, the rights of migrants to obtain refugee status — the need to understand the rule of law becomes paramount. By meeting that need, Fox makes its viewers smarter.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1340 on: December 14, 2018, 18:26:49 »
I am on a couple of political pages on FB......run into so many people who will not read certain publications or web site's 'cause they are perceived to be right wing.........it does not seem to matter that the information might be correct......



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« Reply #1341 on: January 10, 2019, 13:12:45 »

interesting study that looked at the amount of fake news shared on facebook during the 2016 campaign.

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/1/eaau4586

A lot to digest but to sum up:

Not as much fake news shared as one would think.

Fake news shared mostly by older people and by ultra right wing conservatives.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1342 on: January 10, 2019, 13:35:26 »
Saw the same thing on CBC.

Their take... People who called themselves liberals shared no fake stories, New York research finds. People over 65 and ultra conservatives shared about seven times more fake information.

Now I'm not a rocket scientist... but 7x0 = 0 in my math.


The real takeaway point is that much of the phenomena in the over 65 age group can be accounted for by poor digital literacy.
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1343 on: January 10, 2019, 13:41:48 »
Saw the same thing on CBC.

Their take... People who called themselves liberals shared no fake stories, New York research finds. People over 65 and ultra conservatives shared about seven times more fake information.

Now I'm not a rocket scientist... but 7x0 = 0 in my math.


The real takeaway point is that much of the phenomena in the over 65 age group can be accounted for by poor digital literacy.

that was something mentioned in the study.  Older people also tend to be conservative but that they may be more prone to sharing fake news than others.

My overall take is that fake news isn't shared as much as we may think.

Edit to add to what ModlrMike stated:  From the study link above:  http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/1/eaau4586

Within this cohort, lower levels of digital literacy could be compounded by the tendency to use social endorsements as credibility cues (19). If true, this would imply a growing impact as more Americans from older age groups join online social communities. A second possibility, drawn from cognitive and social psychology, suggests a general effect of aging on memory. Under this account, memory deteriorates with age in a way that particularly undermines resistance to “illusions of truth” and other effects related to belief persistence and the availability heuristic, especially in relation to source cues (20–22). The severity of these effects would theoretically increase with the complexity of the information environment and the prevalence of misinformation.

Disclosure:  I saw the headline and only read the first two lines of the CBC article and then looked for the source.  The link provided is the source doc, so from there form whatever opinion you want on the study but it looks like a decent body of work on the subject.
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1344 on: January 10, 2019, 14:49:50 »
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How it was conducted: A survey of 3,500 people was conducted by pollster YouGov from April to November 2016, including a sample of 1,300 respondents who shared access to their Facebook time lines.

Partisan split: Education, income, and gender had no bearing on an individual’s tendency to share fake stories. However, there was a significant partisan difference: 18% of Republicans shared fake news links, versus fewer than 4% of Democrats. However, the researchers suggested this could be because most fake news during the campaign tended to be pro-Trump or anti-Clinton rather than because conservatives have any greater underlying tendency to share fake news.

https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/612741/whos-sharing-fake-news-on-facebook-older-republicans/

Then again:

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Junk news on social media is shared predominantly by the right wing

Analyzing the dynamics of online political news sharing shows that there’s an ideological pattern to who’s spreading the bad stuff.

The study: Researchers at the Oxford Internet Institute monitored 13,500 politically active US Twitter users and 48,000 public Facebook pages for the three months ahead of the recent State of the Union address. They then studied how political news that was extremist, sensationalist, conspiratorial, fake, or otherwise characteristic of “junk” got shared.

The results: On Twitter, a core of Trump supporters shared “the widest range of known junk news sources” and circulated “more junk news than all the other groups put together.” On Facebook, extreme hard-right pages (not Republican pages) achieved a similar feat.

Why it matters: Fake news remains a huge headache for social networks and political leaders. A better understanding of how it’s shared could help clean it up.

https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/610194/junk-news-on-social-media-is-shared-predominantly-by-the-right-wing/
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1345 on: January 12, 2019, 09:16:52 »
For the Cdn viewers of CNN:

https://www.kusi.com/cnn-requests-kusi-for-local-view-on-the-border-declines-our-reporter-after-finding-out-wall-works/

CNN requests KUSI (SAN DIEGO) for local view on the border, declines our reporter after finding out wall works - 10 Jan 19    (Videos at Link)

SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – Thursday morning, CNN called the KUSI Newsroom asking if one of our reporters could give them a local view of the debate surrounding the border wall and government shutdown. KUSI offered our own Dan Plante, who has reported dozens of times on the border, including one story from 2016 that was retweeted by former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, and posted on DrudgeReport.com. The Border Fence Tour is below.

We believe CNN declined a report from KUSI because we informed them that most Border Patrol Agents we have spoken to told us the barrier does in fact work. We have continuously been told by Border Patrol Agents that the barrier along the Southern border helps prevent illegal entries, drugs, and weapons from entering the United States, and the numbers prove it.

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1346 on: January 12, 2019, 09:38:20 »
Really? A wall stops "weapons" from entering the US. The US is worried about weapons entering it's territory when any idiot can already acquire an arsenal inside the US.

Is the worry purely from a commercial point of view then: they don't want anyone competing with the likes of Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and the likes?

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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1347 on: January 12, 2019, 09:49:47 »
The wall would actually likely save alot of Mexican lives in so far as the number of guns flowing into Mexico from the US.

Both from illegal sources and the government (ATF).
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1348 on: January 12, 2019, 11:56:32 »
Journeyman,

The reaction in the comments section that you highlighted is exactly the problem with this "bright" idea.

For the full on loonies, this destroys whatever credibility the Canadian media once had. Welcome the full blown, post fact Trumpites to Canada.

Even for more reasoned and thoughtful folks, it has now got to plant at least a seed of doubt in peoples minds that any news coverage the Liberals get from here on out is tainted. Even I wonder how the Conservatives can possibly get a fair shake, now. Even sub-conciously, if you are a reporter or editor in Canada and the difference between having a job or not having one is this program, how hard are you going to try to dig up dirt on the Liberals?

This is precisely why governments should have nothing...NOTHING...to do with media, beyond holding press conferences amd giving interviews. Ever.

Late to the party.... been staying away intentionally.

Just a quick point.  The funding will taint the institutions as you suggest.  "People" will be less likely to believe what they read. 

But

At the same time I believe that a large number of reporters, being aware of this perception, will now go out of their way to demonstrate that they are NOT government stooges and will incline towards a less friendly take on all things governmental.

So, how does this play out?

An increase in negative news stories but nobody believes them?  Or nobody reads them?
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Re: Media Bias [Merged]
« Reply #1349 on: January 12, 2019, 13:00:11 »
So, how does this play out?
An increase in negative news stories but nobody believes them?  Or nobody reads them?

I think we went very quickly to
... any public outcry would soon fade to typical Canadian disinterest.

While I haven't looked into it, I haven't heard of anyone's news-gathering styles changing.  I suspect that the same people who previously read widely and judged cautiously are still the same percentage as those who get news in 10-second sound bites, whether from CBC or Fox News, or those whose understanding of issues remains headline deep from whatever source reinforces their confirmation bias.

What may be an issue though, not directly related to media bias, is that the latter group is either growing or simply becoming increasingly strident in voicing their biased, ill-informed views.  Perhaps the movie Idiocracy is more of a prophetic documentary than a comedy.  "Sad"
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