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Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #100 on: September 27, 2017, 14:26:25 »
Hey all, just wondering if anyone could give me any type of advice on my situation as follows;

I am currently on class B contract in the army I have a CT in for BOSN and Steward, while waiting for my CT(cause I assume itll take a hundred years) I am looking at transferring from army reserves to navy reserves except I have NO idea how to do that and its all army around here so nobody has a clue. Help?

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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2017, 14:32:30 »
Step 1: Find a local Naval Reserve unit.

Step 2: Ask the local Naval Reserve unit "How do I transfer to you from the Army Reserve"?
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2017, 14:40:26 »
Hey all, just wondering if anyone could give me any type of advice on my situation as follows;

I am currently on class B contract in the army I have a CT in for BOSN and Steward, while waiting for my CT(cause I assume itll take a hundred years) I am looking at transferring from army reserves to navy reserves except I have NO idea how to do that and its all army around here so nobody has a clue. Help?

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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2017, 15:42:34 »
There is no Steward trade with the Naval Reserve, so if your CT is processed, your option will be BOSN.
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2017, 15:49:22 »
Both CO's, losing and gaining, must agree.

Both Commands, Primary Reserves and Naval Reserves, must agree.
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #105 on: September 27, 2017, 16:58:26 »
There is no Steward trade with the Naval Reserve, so if your CT is processed, your option will be BOSN.

Can you do a CT to the regular force from res to reg, army to navy?
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #106 on: September 27, 2017, 17:20:48 »
I am looking at transferring from army reserves to navy reserves

See also,

Transfer from naval reserves to army ( Pres )
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=108918.0

Transferring between reserve units 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=110344.0
OP: " I'm looking into moving to an army unit but keeping my navy uniform...."

Elemental Change for Purple Trades - Reserves 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=100123.0
3 pages.

etc...
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #107 on: September 27, 2017, 17:41:14 »
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Can you do a CT to the regular force from res to reg, army to navy?

If I understand knawktwice correctly,

This person plans to CT and OT from a PRes CA unit to a RCN NRD. In this scenario, the only option available is Bosun.

If a current RCN Steward retires to the SHR, as with all trades, a person can apply to an NRD for one of their limited ATR position numbers, and / or apply for REO class B ATR positions through the NRD. Potential of promotion is nearly nil, as the trade is not part of NavRes.
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #108 on: September 27, 2017, 18:45:46 »
If I understand knawktwice correctly,

This person plans to CT and OT from a PRes CA unit to a RCN NRD. In this scenario, the only option available is Bosun.

If a current RCN Steward retires to the SHR, as with all trades, a person can apply to an NRD for one of their limited ATR position numbers, and / or apply for REO class B ATR positions through the NRD. Potential of promotion is nearly nil, as the trade is not part of NavRes.

It appears that the poster has a CT to the reg navy and thinks doing a component transfer from the army res to the navy res will speed up the process.
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #109 on: September 28, 2017, 09:30:25 »
It appears that the poster has a CT to the reg navy and thinks doing a component transfer from the army res to the navy res will speed up the process.

I didn't get that from his post. I simply got that he doesn't want to be in the army anymore, and wants to transfer to the navy PRes while waiting for his CT; there is not expectation hat this will speed up the process. (which, you're right, it won't)

Hey all, just wondering if anyone could give me any type of advice on my situation as follows;

I am currently on class B contract in the army I have a CT in for BOSN and Steward, while waiting for my CT(cause I assume itll take a hundred years) I am looking at transferring from army reserves to navy reserves except I have NO idea how to do that and its all army around here so nobody has a clue. Help?

What you need to do is get your unit, Brigade or possibly even your Division to send an inter-command transfer request to NAVRESHQ. In the Naval Reserve, an individual unit CO has the authority to approve the transfer of one of his members to another Command. For some reason, the Army Reserve doesn't work that way. When we had a member of  an PRes Army unit in Calgary transferring to my unit, the request had to go all the way up to the 3 Div Cdr, which meant it took way too long (months), when I could have had the entire process done in a week for one of our own members (email my CO, email their CO, draft message, transmit, done).

Before this request happens, however, both the losing unit CO and gaining unit CO need to agree to the transfer (email is fine). Your chain of command then sends a the transfer request message to NAVRESHQ. Every Command should have their own format, but I've copy and pasted NAVRESHQ's version below.

Now,  the bit that makes this more complicated (and longer) is your trade. If you are a purple trade (HRA/FSA), then all you need to do is the transfer. If, however, you are an Army-only trade, then part of the transfer process also includes a VOT to a trade suitable to the Naval Reserve.

Once again, the VOT process is different between Commands and possibly Divisions. In the Naval Reserve, the unit CO can approve the VOT request, whereas in 3 Can Div, the VOT request went all the way to the Div Cdr (why, again, I do not know). The VOT process involves about a dozen forms to fill out, and an interview with a PSO (Personnel Selection Officer), so it can take some time.

Once you have the VOT package complete (including a letter from the PSO saying your are suitable for the Navy trade you want to transfer to), you include this in the Inter-Command transfer request message. Here's the message:

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SUBJ: INTER-COMD TRANS OUT OF NAVRES REQUEST- **SN RK NAME INIT MOSID#**
1. REQ INTER-COMD TRANSFER OUT FOR **SN RK NAME INIT MOSID#**
A. FM: HMCS **UNIT**, UIC: **####**
B. TO: **UNIT**, UIC: **####** 
C. REQUESTED MOS: **NAME MOSID#**
D. REQ EFF DATE: **DD-MM-YYYY**
E. PT RESULTS: **PASS/EXEMPT: DD-MM-YYYY**
F. MED CAT: **XXXXXX DATED: DD-MM-YYYY**
G. PSO REPORT TO FOLLOW (IF MOS CHANGE)
H. CO CONCURS
I.  OTHER:
J. POC: **PO1
BLOGGINS, CHIEF CLERK (012) 345-6789**

The bits in yellow (especially para G) are the ones that are key if you are changing trades as well. 

If I had to summarize, I would say this:

1. Figure out what navy trade you want;
2. Find your nearest NRD and make contact with them;
3. Submit memo for VOT and inter-command transfer;
4. Obtain approval from your CO for the transfer and VOT;
5. Complete VOT process;
6. Obtain gaining unit CO's approval for the transfer to their unit;
7. Draft and send Inter-Command Transfer Request to NAVRESHQ along with all supporting documentation (VOT package).

(skip step 5 if you don't need to VOT).

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Re: Transfer from Army Reserves to Navy Reserves
« Reply #110 on: September 28, 2017, 11:23:20 »
I cant thank you enough for your help! really appreciated!
I have a meeting with the BPSO coming up so atleast i'll have some sort of clue what im talking about.



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Re: Transfer from Army Reserves to Navy Reserves
« Reply #111 on: September 28, 2017, 11:32:14 »
It appears that the poster has a CT to the reg navy and thinks doing a component transfer from the army res to the navy res will speed up the process.

No, Im fully aware it will not help the CT process go faster by any means, if anything it will take more time. Id just like to get into navy reserves, see something different while I wait.

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Re: Transfer from Army Reserves to Navy Reserves
« Reply #112 on: September 28, 2017, 12:01:41 »
No, Im fully aware it will not help the CT process go faster by any means, if anything it will take more time. Id just like to get into navy reserves, see something different while I wait.

If this is what you truly want, then I suggest you transfer to NAVRES as a Bosn and potentially get some trade knowledge under your belt before your CT comes through. As an aside, it may actually be faster to CT from the Naval Reserve than from the Militia. The Navy has a "lean forward" approach to CTs. I've seen them go through very rapidly indeed.
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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #113 on: September 28, 2017, 13:31:35 »
What city do you live in?

Fredericton currently however my partner is navy and will be posted soon to which coast..were not sure yet

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Re: Army to Navy reserves
« Reply #114 on: September 28, 2017, 13:58:11 »
Fredericton currently however my partner is navy and will be posted soon to which coast..were not sure yet

I would suggest if in the area drop in to HMCS Brunswicker in Saint John they could give you a good idea. As stated before the Naval Reserves is faster to transfer than the Army reserves to the regular force. The bosn training is directly transferable to the regular force navy. Good luck!
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Re: Transfer from Army Reserves to Navy Reserves
« Reply #115 on: September 28, 2017, 14:01:45 »
Thank you, I will do just that!

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PRes Occupational Reassignment question
« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2017, 15:24:38 »
Hello,

After some time at my current PRes unit I have made the decision to *attempt* an Occupation Reassignment. I like my unit, but after plenty of time working with DP1-qualified members, I have decided it's not for me. I would like to transfer to another unit (and a different combat arms trade) that is also located at my home armoury.

I have done plenty of research on this topic, and talked with people in my unit's OR (but have not discussed the topic with many others, as I'd like to keep my decision as quiet as possible for the time being). However, no one seems to know what to do.

1. Should I write a memo, and submit it through my OR? Or take some other course of action?

2. If anyone has experience with this process, what was your experience like? Did you get any hate from your unit, or get stalled during the process?

3. If the process is complicated/difficult enough, would it be wise to consider releasing, then re-joining? YES, this may sound very naive, but I am new to the army. I'm very committed to changing trades, as I love the reserves and being in the forces.

From what I've heard, my brigade has massively increased their recruiting goals for this year, and FORCES.CA says that the unit I'd like to join is hiring for the trade I'm interested in. So it seems that they'd be willing to hire someone who's already BMQ and Land qualified (but what do I know).

I've found very little information pertaining to the PRes Occupational Transfer process online, and lots of conflicting answers. My apologies if this question is in the wrong place, or out of line in some way.

EDIT: thanks for moving my post, I missed this thread. My mistake.

Just to build on what I've seen previously in this thread, would "go see your CoC" mean "write a memo and submit it through your OR"? I'm sorry, I'm still very new to the reserve/army world. Thanks in advance.
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Re: PRes Occupational Reassignment question
« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2017, 16:11:29 »
If the process is complicated/difficult enough, would it be wise to consider releasing, then re-joining?

If considering that, you may wish to read this,

Getting Back In/Re-enrolling Mega Thread 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=294.475
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Re: PRes Occupational Reassignment question
« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2017, 21:40:47 »
Hello,

Yo...sup?

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After some time at my current PRes unit I have made the decision to *attempt* an Occupation Reassignment. I like my unit, but after plenty of time working with DP1-qualified members, I have decided it's not for me. I would like to transfer to another unit (and a different combat arms trade) that is also located at my home armoury.

Roger that.  Lots of folks in both the Regular and Reserve force have OTd/remustered before.  Not a big deal really.

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I have done plenty of research on this topic, and talked with people in my unit's OR (but have not discussed the topic with many others, as I'd like to keep my decision as quiet as possible for the time being). However, no one seems to know what to do.

I find that odd, that your Unit OR doesn't know what to do...if they have any questions on the processes and policies specific to your Bde, they should simply be able to ask a question to their counterparts at Bde HQ (like the G1 Clerk as an example).

However, the current (as far as I can tell) policy on remustering for Reserve NCMs is still  CFAO 49-11, Terms of Service Non-Commissioned Members Primary Reserve  unless my memory is right out to lunch.  The CFAOs aren't available online and I don't have DWAN access right at this time.

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1. Should I write a memo, and submit it through my OR? Or take some other course of action?

You should fall under some chain of command at your unit right now...under a MCpl or Sgt?  I would start by requesting a meeting with them, and telling them your intentions and why (be honest).  If you are certain you want to transfer, don't let them talk you out of it (they might try).  They can help determine if you meet the prerequisites for transfer (you must have met the CFAT requirements, there must be a position avail at the unit you want to go to, in the trade you want to go to, etc).

Ask for a copy of the CFAO I mentioned above and go over it.  It should be the right starting point on the how's and why's as the Bde policy should be compliant with the CFAO.

You could also find out who the recruiter is for the unit you want to transfer to and contact that person to inform them of your interest and intentions.  They can then help assist in the process perhaps (they have a vested interest in that they are the gaining unit, right?).

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3. If the process is complicated/difficult enough, would it be wise to consider releasing, then re-joining? YES, this may sound very naive, but I am new to the army. I'm very committed to changing trades, as I love the reserves and being in the forces.

IF you need to do this because of...something...well there are some big problems in the Pres and your Bde, IMO.

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EDIT: thanks for moving my post, I missed this thread. My mistake.

Just to build on what I've seen previously in this thread, would "go see your CoC" mean "write a memo and submit it through your OR"? I'm sorry, I'm still very new to the reserve/army world. Thanks in advance.

Your CofC would be, at the start, whoever you normal report to/work for at your unit.  They will then inform the folks higher up the CofC...going directly to the OR with a memo can be seen as jumping or skirting the chain...not usually a good thing to do in the military, less so as new Pte soldier.

Tell whoever your MCpl / Sgt is what you want to do and why, and ask them to assist you in the process...you can specifically ask them to help you get a copy of the CFAO I mentioned above and to help with assistance from the OR staff, etc.

And remember, you're not the first person to want to do this.
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Re: PRes Occupational Reassignment question
« Reply #119 on: October 30, 2017, 23:55:31 »
Yo...sup?


Thanks very much, I appreciate the detailed response! I'll contact my section commander (a Cpl in my case...). I know many of my questions may have seemed quite naive (and probably were, partially because I've been in for less than six months), so I especially appreciate the time you took to answer my question(s).

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Re: PRes Unit Transfer
« Reply #120 on: October 31, 2017, 01:14:11 »
No problem;  technically I am paid 24/7 and looking after Jnr Ranks is part of the job description.

Maybe your OR can track down that CFAO for you and print off several copies...one which could be for them, to go with the Bde specific policy, Div policy, etc. 

Don't be surprised if your Sect Commander isn't familiar with it either.  The CAF is a myriad of various policy and regulations, some of which are very dated, not used very often etc. 
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Re: PRes Unit Transfer
« Reply #121 on: November 01, 2017, 19:47:18 »
You're right, no one in my CoC is familiar with the process. Everyone from my section commander to OR staff to recruiting staff at the unit I hope to join has very little idea of what comes next. Haven't gotten a CFAO yet but have submitted my memo to the OR at the direction of my section commander.

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Re: PRes Unit Transfer
« Reply #122 on: November 01, 2017, 22:42:43 »
Have you even approached the Unit you are looking to transfer/OT into?  If they aren't interested or don't have a spot for you, then there isn't any point in pursuing it further.

If the Unit doesn't have ATR positions, you need to apply for a OT and be found suitable and accepted for that first.  That is initiated via a memo, then you get referred to a PSO etc, just like any other OT.

If the Unit does have ATR positions, and they really, really want you, they may accept you on spec, and do the OT process after you transfer to the Unit.  This is rare because if you don't get the OT for some reason, they are now "stuck" with you in your original trade which can make for headaches because they are responsible for getting you career courses etc in your original trade.

Sometimes, the two Units strike a deal and they allow you to start parading at the Unit you wish to transfer to while all of this is going on.  BUT, your original Unit is responsible for your pay and all that until the OT goes through and you are officially transferred into a position in your new Unit, so this is rarer still and usually only happens when you move geographical locations.

There is a CAO that gives the details.  Things can actually move very quickly if the stars align...

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Re: PRes Unit Transfer
« Reply #123 on: November 02, 2017, 08:34:30 »
You're right, no one in my CoC is familiar with the process. Everyone from my section commander to OR staff to recruiting staff at the unit I hope to join has very little idea of what comes next. Haven't gotten a CFAO yet but have submitted my memo to the OR at the direction of my section commander.

The process is:

1. Write memo and staff it through your Chain of Command, but let your OR know about it;
2. Start VOT paperwork. The application differs from Division to Divison/Command to Command, but it's essentially looks the same;
3. Get interview with BPSO. He/she determines whether you are suitable for the trade you are applying for. He'll send a letter to your unit stating whether you are suitable or not for the new trade you are applying for;
4. Complete the VOT paperwork, by attaching the BPSO's letter, and getting a CO's recommendation attached to it. It can be a long, full of praise, or it literally can be just the words "I support this VOT";
5. Submit paperwork to appropriate Command/HQ for consideration. In our case we send all of the paperwork (scanned copies) to "Naval Reserve Military Career Administration" in Quebec City, and they make the decision on whether or not you get the transfer;
6. Transfer (or not).

Now, if you are transferring to a unit concurrently, you just need to add a few steps that can be done alongside the above steps, but they really should be done by your HR-Manager;

1. Once your transfer memo has been staffed up to your CO and your CO supports the transfer, your HR Manager should contact the HR Manager of the "gaining unit" (the unit you want to transfer into) and let them know that you want to trasnfer to their unit;
2. The HR Manager at that unit should staff up an email to the Adjutant, and subsequently the CO, seeking his approval for your to join his unit;
3. Once you have his approval (email should suffice), it can get attached to your VOT paperwork and sent to your HQ in step 5 above.

ALTERNATIVELY

Jump ship and join the Naval Reserve. We've got sweet trades, hot food, we travel a lot to sunny Victoria and beer soaked Halifax, and our Orderly Rooms know how the VOT process works. If you let me know where you live I can put you in contact with the nearest Naval Reserve Division and help you with the transfer process.

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Re: PRes Unit Transfer
« Reply #124 on: November 02, 2017, 09:19:37 »
If you let me know where you live I can put you in contact with the nearest Naval Reserve Division and help you with the transfer process.

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