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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2004, 16:27:00 »
"When I hold that gun I feel like how God must feel...when he‘s holding a gun."-Homer
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2004, 16:31:00 »
No.  You‘re going to have to deal with the fact that cadets are cadets and not members of JTF2.  This is the way it is, and the way it should be.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2004, 16:37:00 »
No! I wouldn‘t trust 3/4‘s of my squadron with an air rifle!
This is what it would have looked like had the plane crashed into a school for bunnies.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2004, 16:39:00 »
Wait they arent? HEY THATS AN IDEA!!!

A new cadet league!!! If they get consent from their parents they can attend meetings at dweyer hill for "combat training"....and the child soldier thing wont apply because the government will deny their very existance!!!! Brilliant!!

Canadian Corps of Space Ninja special forces Cadets....Please make the age limit 30 so I can come down too!!
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2004, 17:04:00 »
That wasnt an attack. Thats pretty clever. And theres a dark secret about law enforcement pal. Theres nice cops and then theres the cops who go in when someone wont listen to the nice ones.

Im a "break glass in case of emergency type". I also think you need to factor in the internet Ahole mulitplier. I cant say whatever I want at work but I can on the internet. I said I wouldnt be a prick. I made a joke. I believe I said I also wanted to apply for my dream cadet corps as well.

PS. I am NOT a huge hit with the citizens but I do MY job well.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2004, 17:16:00 »
Thats cute. I bet your coworkers love you. Im saddened by the prospect of us not being friends.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2004, 18:10:00 »
No offence WetGrunt.
But have already broken the agreement you made when you registered to the forum. Guess you did‘nt read it?

No profanity in the Army Cadet forum.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2004, 18:24:00 »
Combat training should not be given to cadets if they want to recieve combat training they should join the Military when they reach the age to do so.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2004, 18:54:00 »
I mean the minimum age is 16. Thats pretty young.(Reserves) If you love cadets accept Cadets for what it is. If you want combat sign the line when you are 16. I think its pretty cut and dry. Im not sure which "profanity" you are alluding to....
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2004, 19:03:00 »
I‘m a bit puzzled. I guess I‘ve been away from the cadet corps for a while. Don‘t the sea cadet on Vancouver island still fire their FNs at The Ceremony of the Flags?  http://www.tourismvictoria.com/Content/EN/1097.asp

My vote is a yes for firing weapons. Doing it in a controlled situation under qualified instructors teaches more respect for the weapon that shooting at cans out on the back porch does.

But I‘m a no for combat training. Firing a weapon at a target for points is one thing. Teaching the attitude necessary to fire a weapon at a live enemy is far different.

Yes for survival, yes for radio communication, yes for parachuting.

What about something from the engineers? Those skills are not necessarily combative, and are good to have.

Also, can anyone who has access to DND law books take a look for something involving petitions? I seem to recall that petitions can be held as an intent to mutiny, and should never be used for any reason.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2004, 19:04:00 »
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Originally posted by Daniel:
[qb] No profanity in the Army Cadet forum. [/qb]
I thought you wanted "military training"???
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I still dont see any profanity.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2004, 19:29:00 »
I‘ve never supported petitions....cadets isn‘t a democracy. I‘m all for fair treatment, and if you have an idea, etc, by all means, write it out, pass it up the chain of command. Mutiny = bad (although cadets can‘t really be charged).

Sea Cadets fire blank rounds at the Ceremony of the Flags from Lee Enfields and 3 Field Guns...I believe the army cadets do soemthing similar (feu de joie, or something like that), save the field guns. There are for ceremonies, are fired under strict command, and god help the cadet who so much as thinks about doing anything else with the blank rounds.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2004, 19:32:00 »
To add:

I‘m all for Radio Communications, I‘d like to see the army side actually do some certification....on the Sea Side, you usually have the opportunity to get your Restricted Operators Certificate (Maritime), which is ncie to have  :)

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2004, 19:53:00 »
I am for shooting live rounds, in a controled setting. But going out on "patrol" would be a good idea. Not with live rounds but with modified paint ball guns. My dad told me of stories when he was in Cadets, they did use modified paint ball guns, modified in a way that the shot would travel between 150-200 feet per second, meaning no big welts from getting hit.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2004, 20:16:00 »
Very much doubt that will happen....the old DCdt‘s (Col. Ambler) wrote an article in one of the issues of Cadence on paintball -- it simply doesn‘t have to do with the aims of the movement...and it‘s also a matter of CYA (Cover your...bum).

All it takes is one kids parent (and most units have this one parent) to make a big snag because Jonny got shot in the eye because Jonny was stupid and not wearing eye protection, and well...think about the big picture if something like that happens...there isn‘t much of an upside to it, the downside counters it.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2004, 00:37:00 »
I remember that article.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2004, 02:15:00 »
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The FN has put many a Bruise and Blemish on Grown Man

What exactly Will that Do to A Pre-Teen/ Teen Cadet?
at thirteen i live fired both the c1 & c2 with no bruises.........guess i was smart enough to adjust the gas regulator

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2004, 02:51:00 »
Ah, yes the trusty ole C1. I sometimes used to get ‘rifle cheek‘ but not normally. I also used to shoot an Aussie L1A1 rifle, and later purchased an OPP 8L C1 in Toronto in 1987, and shot them frequently for target and competiton out west. Sold em all to come down here for complete and entire fresh new start.

In Australia, I sure miss not only shooting such a fine rifle, but miss owning one too. One must have a special licence to own such things now, and for the average guy, its an imposibility.

Australian Army Cadets here do not shoot period, although some introductry F88 shoots do happen under close one on one supervison, and with the ‘single shot‘ lock out engaged (semi only).

FATS or WTSS as its called here, and .22LR F88T‘s are also used for trg (not for cadets).

Cadets get DP F88s, and these rifles are de-milled to such a degree, the only operating thing is the sling swivels.

Hence only for drill. Yet they are as controlled as a regular rifle is. Thats just how it is.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2004, 14:00:00 »
Combat training - no, for all of the good reasons given in previous posts.
Military training - yes.  I‘m all for putting the "Army" back into Army Cadets.
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2004, 15:47:00 »
What is everyone‘s idea of ‘Military Training‘?

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2004, 15:57:00 »
Military training...hmmm...

~well, theres drill, lots of drill  :D

~you could probably learn good standards for dress and deportment,

~maybe allow cadets to learn first aid from St Johns for free, (not necessarily military-oriented, do they do this anywhere)

~Perfect the art of memo writing,

basically all of the fun non-combat stuff you can master before/if joining the forces.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2004, 16:38:00 »
--> Drill, yes  :)  Standard varies corps to corps though, depending on the quality of their officers/seniors cadets.

--> Deportment/Dress, same as above.

--> I know on the see side, all TG2 (...CL I think would be the closest Equiv) are trained and certified with Standard First Aid. On MedA, we did Enhanced Standard (All modules, including all the Military ones).

--> This is taught I believe, on the army side (or I saw it in the reference book, anyway....I learned to write them on the Sea side, but it isn‘t in the Sea training). I believe it‘s taught on the air side as well. So Sea might be the ones not teaching this.

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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2004, 18:48:00 »
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All it takes is one kids parent (and most units have this one parent) to make a big snag because Jonny got shot in the eye because Jonny was stupid and not wearing eye protection, and well...think about the big picture if something like that happens.
What happened to permission slips and good old common sense?
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Re: Thoughts about Combat training in the cadet program!
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2004, 00:05:00 »
Ok you people arnt very smart ,keep on the swubject ok i want to shoot lets say the fn or the c7 or even the c11(special c7 made for cadet use) So please JUST write what you think about that.  :sniper:

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« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2004, 00:22:00 »
I don‘t know about other cadet corps, but I‘ve taken our own cadets on to our SAT range a couple times, so they‘ve gotten to handle a C7, C9, and C6.  Might not be as "cool" as live rounds, but they all seemed to enjoy it just fine.  I also know that the CF DOES allow cadets to fire C7‘s live as long as certain procedures are followed.  For example, no more than 5 rounds in a mag, only single shots, and there has to be 1 reserve or regforce DS staff for every 3 cadets firing.  If  you want to do any of these things, it‘s up to you and your chain of command.  Your best resource is your local armories.  If the CO of your corps wants to, and has sufficient funding, he can get on the phone to one of the regiments there and they can either open up the SAT range for you or arrange some kind of live range on a weekend.  The SAT range is probably the cheapest option because you‘ll only be paying for 1-2 personnel to run the range, and about 2 cents per round fired.  Submit a memo up your chain of command and see what happens.

As to doing patrols with paintball guns as was suggested earlier....when I was a cadet we did get to that.  With todays kinder, gentler, and safer army, I doubt it‘ll be allowed.