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Recruiting !!!
« on: September 21, 2002, 14:53:00 »
Posted by "The Griffith Family" <griffith@mnsi.net> on Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:14:30 -0500
in reply to Jason Burns .. the people that took the test and failed must
be pretty dumb .. Both my mother and father took the test and past ...
in my mothers test there was 24 people and only 3 failed... and my
father there was 19 and only 1 failed... So to all of you people don‘t
worry about your marks .. You only need to worry about them if your
applying for a technical trade.. The army won‘t be too picky, especially
since the numbers are so low ... bye for now .. Shawn Barber
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in reply to Jason Burns .. the people
that took the
test and failed must be pretty dumb .. Both my mother and father took
the test
and past ... in my mothers test there was 24 people and only 3 failed...
and my
father there was 19 and only 1 failed... So to all of you people don‘t
worry
about your marks .. You only need to worry about them if your applying
for a
technical trade.. The army won‘t be too picky, especially since the
numbers are
so low ... bye for now .. Shawn Barber
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2002, 14:53:00 »
Posted by "Gareth Green" <gareth@mail.caninet.com> on Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:48:04 -0800
Bill,
If you are monitoring this page there has been some considerable
mailings concerning recruiting which I think you might be interested in.
Green
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Bill,
If you are monitoring this page there has been some considerable
mailings
concerning recruiting which I think you might be interested in.
Green
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2002, 15:24:00 »
Posted by "RYAN YOUNGSON" <ryoungson@HOTMAIL.COM> on Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:18:57 CST
I know this question has been asked b4, but does anyone know approximately
how long it takes to be shipped off to basic ?  I handed in all my paperwork
about 2 weeks ago.
                                               R.Youngson.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2002, 15:38:00 »
Posted by "dave" <davidwillard@home.com> on Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:19:09 -0500
Recruiting Woes
    The system has sure changed over the years. I read the inserts in this
forum from aspiring soldiers and can almost feel their frustration and
anxious waiting. Here‘s one for you. 23 April, 1964 I arrived at the
recruiting centre on St.Clair Ave in Toronto at 0900hrs. Between then and
1200hrs I had been shipped up to 6 Personnel Depot and completed my
testing. Shortly after 1400hrs I had completed my medical and by 1600hrs was
on a special four day leave from the Canadian Army Regular.
Dave Willard
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2002, 08:25:00 »
Posted by "brian ." <strangedays5@hotmail.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:17:56 -0400
I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing stage.
I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement when I do my
medical?
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2002, 08:25:00 »
Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:22:42 EDT
Well, if this is in fact an interested applicant who may just have a former
problem with substance abuse, I‘ll bite.
    If this is another Burgess, consider yourself COMPLETELY told off.
    I was told that if you‘ve used drugsspecifically pot within the last 6
months, the medic who does your medical exam will be capable of detecting
such use. However, apparently your body is completely rid of traces of the
substance after 6 months.
    I personally wouldn‘t recommend you advertising such use through a medium
such as this, and definitely do not lie about your ‘partaking‘ during your
interview with the CFRC Offr... Be completely honest. Guys like me, whom
you‘re going to be rubbing shoulders with, deserve to have competent mates
when the going gets tough.  
    It sounds, tho‘, that this was strictly a thing of the past...
    That being best case scenario.
        -Matt
        EK Scot
   
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2002, 08:26:00 »
Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:04:13 -0700
Not if you are totally honest, and do not hide anything...
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: recruiting
> I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing stage.
> I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement when I do
my
> medical?
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2002, 08:26:00 »
Posted by "John Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:48:24 -0400
Good question!
Why should the Forces hire a doper?
Being honest enough to admit it may well be an extenuating circumstance,
admittedly...because if you are both a doper and a liar, that‘s plainly at
least one strike too many....
But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute a
Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for substance
abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led to
unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
Well, leave that thought hang, shall we?
Does the CF hire people to be Privates?  No, not really...they hire them to
be all they can be...meaning they WANT to promote extend and get all they
can out of every individual.
So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
"experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with some
askance...
Now, its not heroin, will give you that, and its possibly not immedately
addictive, and certainly more than one individual has come back from it...so
being honest would give you a pretty good head start on gaining any
forgiveness available...
But if you "did the stuff", and failed to admit it, well the System is
especially unforgiving to liars....and in my view, rightly so....
Not that I make the rules...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Not if you are totally honest, and do not hide anything...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian ."
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:17 AM
> Subject: recruiting
>
>
> > I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing stage.
> > I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement when I do
> my
> > medical?
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> >
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2002, 08:26:00 »
Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:05:39 -0600
I guess that I have to echo.  The system is extremly unforgiving for liars
and the tests will find you out anyway.  Admit the last time you used it and
for God‘s sake don‘t do it again.  Once you are in you could very well wind
up in 7 CFSD military prison.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gow
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Good question!
>
> Why should the Forces hire a doper?
>
> Being honest enough to admit it may well be an extenuating circumstance,
> admittedly...because if you are both a doper and a liar, that‘s plainly at
> least one strike too many....
>
> But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute a
> Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for substance
> abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led to
> unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
>
> Well, leave that thought hang, shall we?
>
> Does the CF hire people to be Privates?  No, not really...they hire them
to
> be all they can be...meaning they WANT to promote extend and get all they
> can out of every individual.
>
> So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
> "experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with some
> askance...
>
> Now, its not heroin, will give you that, and its possibly not immedately
> addictive, and certainly more than one individual has come back from
it...so
> being honest would give you a pretty good head start on gaining any
> forgiveness available...
>
> But if you "did the stuff", and failed to admit it, well the System is
> especially unforgiving to liars....and in my view, rightly so....
>
> Not that I make the rules...
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: recruiting
>
>
> > Not if you are totally honest, and do not hide anything...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian ."
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:17 AM
> > Subject: recruiting
> >
> >
> > > I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing stage.
> > > I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement when I
do
> > my
> > > medical?
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2002, 08:26:00 »
Posted by "jupiter lunar" <lunar_jupiter@hotmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:23:55 -0000
Hey my name is Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you do not mention it to them or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you haven‘t done it for at least a month then you should be fine anyways good luck!Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at  http://www.hotmail.com.
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2002, 08:27:00 »
Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@fastq.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:27:03 -0700
John - I agree with your opinion, but not your substantiation. Illegal?
Irresponsible? Poor judgment? Maybe this is hallowed ground, but I saw many
a soldier - OR, Snr NCOs, and, yes indeed, Officers, drive while impaired,
and/or otherwise abuse alcohol during my 13 years in the Armed Forces.
Though not as heavily enforced as it is these days.. at the time, it was
illegal DUI. It also exhibited poor judgment, and irresponsibility. I
don‘t know what the answer is, but selective enforcement of existing laws
certainly isn‘t one in my book. By the way, I am not without sin, so don‘t
consider this a cast stone.....I just plain don‘t like potheads, or any
other dopers.. I look forward to experiencing the barrage, not unlike the
ones John usually endures....
Gawd.. I‘m sounding more like a hippie, every day
MacF
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute a
> Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for substance
> abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led to
> unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
>
>
> So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
> "experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with some
> askance...
>
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2002, 08:27:00 »
Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@fastq.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:28:37 -0700
Trying it 2 or 3 years previous is much different, than holding off for
a month......you‘re going 90 miles per hour, down a dead end street,
with that reasoning, young lady....
MacF
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  Subject: Re: recruiting
  Hey my name is Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you do not
mention it to them or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you haven‘t
done it for at least a month then you should be fine anyways good luck!
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much different, than holding off for a month......you‘re going 90 miles
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hour, down a dead end street, with that reasoning, young
lady....
MacF
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8:23
  PM
  Subject: Re: recruiting
 
 
 
 
  Hey my name is Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you
do not
  mention it to them or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you haven‘t
done it
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2002, 08:27:00 »
Posted by "John Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:43:54 -0400
Well, Mac...
I can agree that it seems pretty flimsy if utter "common sense" is applied
regrettably, I live in a province where "Common Sense" is the government
theme...and everyone gets their butt kicked...having made this "political
statement"...well...
Sure, I saw, and likely did like likely..oh yeah over .08 driving...and
saw any number of others do the same...
Would I countenance them doing that TODAY?...Likely NOT!!!
I‘d conform to the Law of the Country...you can screw up on the alcohol
issue...but try okay soft word......"banned drugs", and if your ***  is
hung and dried, I‘d say "Fair Ball"
And just for the record, the Airborne in Somalia, witness the report of the
CO and Sgt Major, well, it was beer, and it was wrong...
As a supervisory position, beer or booze is fairly easy to see on the
job...dope is not.  But the effects are fairly dramatic, are they not?
Will now stand back, and take my barrage, as you suggest...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "The MacFarlanes‘"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> John - I agree with your opinion, but not your substantiation. Illegal?
> Irresponsible? Poor judgment? Maybe this is hallowed ground, but I saw
many
> a soldier - OR, Snr NCOs, and, yes indeed, Officers, drive while impaired,
> and/or otherwise abuse alcohol during my 13 years in the Armed Forces.
> Though not as heavily enforced as it is these days.. at the time, it was
> illegal DUI. It also exhibited poor judgment, and irresponsibility. I
> don‘t know what the answer is, but selective enforcement of existing laws
> certainly isn‘t one in my book. By the way, I am not without sin, so don‘t
> consider this a cast stone.....I just plain don‘t like potheads, or any
> other dopers.. I look forward to experiencing the barrage, not unlike the
> ones John usually endures....
> Gawd.. I‘m sounding more like a hippie, every day
> MacF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gow"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: recruiting
>
>
> > But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute a
> > Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for substance
> > abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led to
> > unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
> >
> >
> > So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
> > "experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with some
> > askance...
> >
>
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2002, 08:28:00 »
Posted by Adam Wainwright <ajmw@home.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:18:47 -0700
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What are you talking about, I sure as ****  hope that I don‘t have you in
the trench with me!
She is not 100 correct.   Don‘t worry about the drugs, just tell them.
Adam
jupiter lunar wrote:
>
>
>
>  Hey my name is Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you do
> not mention it to them or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you
> haven‘t done it for at least a month then you should be fine anyways
> good luck!
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What are you talking about, I sure as ****  hope that I don‘t have you in
the trench with me!
She is not 100 correct. Don‘t worry about the drugs, just
tell them.
Adam
jupiter lunar wrote:
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2002, 08:28:00 »
Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@fastq.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:01:13 -0700
Naw, John... I think as usual.... we are in agreement, somewhere in
there.....Coincidentally, I am implementing a "drug-free work workplace"
program, where I work - for precisely the reasons you indicate - lack of
detection being one. If people saw statistics of what drug-users cost
businesses, families, and communities...........Anyway - I think,
fundamentally, we are in agreement. "There can be a lot of roads leading up
the sides of a mountain, but they all end up in the same place"
Ubique
MacF
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Well, Mac...
>
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2002, 08:28:00 »
Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:17:30 -0700
In any case, you will be required to take urine tests, and blood
tests...Metabolized THC is evident in your body for a time period
proportional to the amount of dope you have smoked....  As is cocaine,
heroin, ecstasy, and everything else they might care to test for...If
you smoke dope every day of your young life, it could take 6 months to a
year for all traces to disappear..so if you have done it..fess up and
let the chips fall.
I served with people who have since been commissionedmajors and capts
now..during training they bragged about doing dope and coke, one even
sold it....rightly or wrongly, they passed RMC, and all their training.  
The scary part is, that you don‘t know what the person next to you does
in their spare time....
I will go on the record saying that alcohol consumption has had a bigger
impact on the forces, than a handful of dopers ever could. I find it
hypocritical for people to think that it is okay to consume any
intoxicant while on duty....that includes lunch hours at the mess....You
are on duty after lunch are you not......
awaiting the fallout...
Chimo
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: recruiting
  What are you talking about, I sure as ****  hope that I don‘t have you
in the trench with me!
  She is not 100 correct.   Don‘t worry about the drugs, just tell
them.
  Adam
  jupiter lunar wrote:
   
     
     
     Hey my name is Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you do
not mention it to them or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you
haven‘t done it for at least a month then you should be fine anyways
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In any case, you will be required to
take urine
tests, and blood tests...Metabolized THC is evident in your body for a
time
period proportional to the amount of dope you have smoked.... As
is
cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, and everything else they might care to test
for...If
you smoke dope every day of your young life, it could take 6 months to a
year
for all traces to disappear..so if you have done it..fess up and let the
chips
fall.
I served with people who have since
been
commissionedmajors and capts now..during training they bragged about
doing
dope and coke, one even sold it....rightly or wrongly, they passed RMC,
and all
their training. The scary part is, that you don‘t know what the
person
next to you does in their spare time....
I will go on the record saying that
alcohol
consumption has had a bigger impact on the forces, than a handful of
dopers ever
could. I find it hypocritical for people to think that it is okay to
consume any
intoxicant while on duty....that includes lunch hours at the mess....You
are on
duty after lunch are you not......
awaiting the fallout...
Chimo
  ----- Original Message -----
  From:
  Adam
Wainwright
  To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001
9:18
  PM
  Subject: Re: recruiting
  What are you talking about, I sure as ****  hope that I
don‘t
  have you in the trench with me! She is not 100
correct. Don‘t
  worry about the drugs, just tell them.
  Adam
  jupiter lunar wrote:
     Hey my name
is
    Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you do not mention it
to them
    or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you haven‘t done it for at
least a
    month then you should be fine anyways good luck!
   
   
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2002, 08:28:00 »
Posted by "David" <LieutenantDave@specwarnet.net> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:36:43 -0400
most people still wouldn‘t want their life in the hands of someone who
is high......
 
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dave
  To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
  Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:17 AM
  Subject: Re: recruiting
  In any case, you will be required to take urine tests, and blood
tests...Metabolized THC is evident in your body for a time period
proportional to the amount of dope you have smoked....  As is cocaine,
heroin, ecstasy, and everything else they might care to test for...If
you smoke dope every day of your young life, it could take 6 months to a
year for all traces to disappear..so if you have done it..fess up and
let the chips fall.
  I served with people who have since been commissionedmajors and capts
now..during training they bragged about doing dope and coke, one even
sold it....rightly or wrongly, they passed RMC, and all their training.  
The scary part is, that you don‘t know what the person next to you does
in their spare time....
  I will go on the record saying that alcohol consumption has had a
bigger impact on the forces, than a handful of dopers ever could. I find
it hypocritical for people to think that it is okay to consume any
intoxicant while on duty....that includes lunch hours at the mess....You
are on duty after lunch are you not......
  awaiting the fallout...
  Chimo
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Adam Wainwright
    To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
    Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:18 PM
    Subject: Re: recruiting
    What are you talking about, I sure as ****  hope that I don‘t have
you in the trench with me!
    She is not 100 correct.   Don‘t worry about the drugs, just tell
them.
    Adam
    jupiter lunar wrote:
       
       
       Hey my name is Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you
do not mention it to them or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you
haven‘t done it for at least a month then you should be fine anyways
good luck!
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most people still wouldn‘t want their
life in the
hands of someone who is high......
  ----- Original Message -----
  From:
  dave
 
  To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
  Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001
1:17
  AM
  Subject: Re: recruiting
 
  In any case, you will be required to
take urine
  tests, and blood tests...Metabolized THC is evident in your body for a
time
  period proportional to the amount of dope you have smoked.... As
is
  cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, and everything else they might care to test
for...If
  you smoke dope every day of your young life, it could take 6 months to
a year
  for all traces to disappear..so if you have done it..fess up and let
the chips
  fall.
 
  I served with people who have since
been
  commissionedmajors and capts now..during training they bragged about
doing
  dope and coke, one even sold it....rightly or wrongly, they passed
RMC, and
  all their training. The scary part is, that you don‘t know what
the
  person next to you does in their spare time....
 
  I will go on the record saying that
alcohol
  consumption has had a bigger impact on the forces, than a handful of
dopers
  ever could. I find it hypocritical for people to think that it is okay
to
  consume any intoxicant while on duty....that includes lunch hours at
the
  mess....You are on duty after lunch are you not......
 
  awaiting the fallout...
  Chimo
 
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:
    Adam
Wainwright
    To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
    Sent: Wednesday, June 13,
2001 9:18
    PM
    Subject: Re: recruiting
    What are you talking about, I sure as ****  hope that
I don‘t
    have you in the trench with me! She is not 100
correct.
    Don‘t worry about the drugs, just tell them.
    Adam
    jupiter lunar wrote:
      Hey my
name is
      Jessica Iam applying too make sure what ever you do not mention it
to them
      or they won‘t even except it hopefullly you haven‘t done it for at
least a
      month then you should be fine anyways good luck!
     
     
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2002, 08:29:00 »
Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:30:33 EDT
Dave really explained the drug testing well, but I what chaps my ***  is this
After enrolled, and cleared as far as drug usage is concerned, one is bound
only by his word is he not? Is there any further REGULAR testing after the
initial medical exam, or is it left up to, "No, Sir... I‘m clean"...???
    Don‘t know how readily I‘d take the word of a guy who clearly has
compromising integrity in the first place.
   
   
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2002, 08:29:00 »
Posted by Christine Fontaine <cfontaine@yahoo.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:08:45 -0400 (EDT)
Just de-lurking briefly...
I know several people in the Forces about 4 of them who are very good
friends who, when they were ‘young and crazy‘ smoked pot, back in the
70s when they were in high school.
They admitted to such during their interviews now granted, this was
back in the 80s, so I daresay recruiting has changed since then and
they were accepted - they just had to be able to honestly say that they
had not touched the stuff in years and would never do so again.
So, at least in the past, the CF accepted people who were honest about
their past experiences with drugs.  Whether this is still the case
today, I have no idea.  
--- John Gow  wrote:
> Good question!
>
> Why should the Forces hire a doper?
>
> Being honest enough to admit it may well be an extenuating
> circumstance,
> admittedly...because if you are both a doper and a liar, that‘s
> plainly at
> least one strike too many....
>
> But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute
> a
> Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for
> substance
> abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led
> to
> unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
>
> Well, leave that thought hang, shall we?
>
> Does the CF hire people to be Privates?  No, not really...they hire
> them to
> be all they can be...meaning they WANT to promote extend and get all
> they
> can out of every individual.
>
> So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
> "experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with
> some
> askance...
>
> Now, its not heroin, will give you that, and its possibly not
> immedately
> addictive, and certainly more than one individual has come back from
> it...so
> being honest would give you a pretty good head start on gaining any
> forgiveness available...
>
> But if you "did the stuff", and failed to admit it, well the System
> is
> especially unforgiving to liars....and in my view, rightly so....
>
> Not that I make the rules...
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: recruiting
>
>
> > Not if you are totally honest, and do not hide anything...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian ."
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:17 AM
> > Subject: recruiting
> >
> >
> > > I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing
> stage.
> > > I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement
> when I do
> > my
> > > medical?
> > >
> > >
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2002, 08:29:00 »
Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:59:09 -0600
I saw some numbers I teach Human Resources Management at a college in
Edmonton that say drugs cost Americans about $30 billion per year.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: The MacFarlanes‘
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Naw, John... I think as usual.... we are in agreement, somewhere in
> there.....Coincidentally, I am implementing a "drug-free work workplace"
> program, where I work - for precisely the reasons you indicate - lack of
> detection being one. If people saw statistics of what drug-users cost
> businesses, families, and communities...........Anyway - I think,
> fundamentally, we are in agreement. "There can be a lot of roads leading
up
> the sides of a mountain, but they all end up in the same place"
> Ubique
> MacF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gow"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: recruiting
>
>
> > Well, Mac...
> >
>
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2002, 08:30:00 »
Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:01:39 -0600
There is random testing.  I was once tested 4 times in a month it seemed
like whenever I changed locations.  So I guess its sort of like playing
Russian Roulette.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Dave really explained the drug testing well, but I what chaps my ***  is
this
> After enrolled, and cleared as far as drug usage is concerned, one is
bound
> only by his word is he not? Is there any further REGULAR testing after the
> initial medical exam, or is it left up to, "No, Sir... I‘m clean"...???
>     Don‘t know how readily I‘d take the word of a guy who clearly has
> compromising integrity in the first place.
>
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Re: recruiting
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2002, 08:30:00 »
Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:04:33 -0600
As far as I know the policy is still the same.  You can‘t have used
marijuana for 6 months.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christine Fontaine
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Just de-lurking briefly...
>
> I know several people in the Forces about 4 of them who are very good
> friends who, when they were ‘young and crazy‘ smoked pot, back in the
> 70s when they were in high school.
>
> They admitted to such during their interviews now granted, this was
> back in the 80s, so I daresay recruiting has changed since then and
> they were accepted - they just had to be able to honestly say that they
> had not touched the stuff in years and would never do so again.
>
> So, at least in the past, the CF accepted people who were honest about
> their past experiences with drugs.  Whether this is still the case
> today, I have no idea.
>
> --- John Gow  wrote:
> > Good question!
> >
> > Why should the Forces hire a doper?
> >
> > Being honest enough to admit it may well be an extenuating
> > circumstance,
> > admittedly...because if you are both a doper and a liar, that‘s
> > plainly at
> > least one strike too many....
> >
> > But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute
> > a
> > Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for
> > substance
> > abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led
> > to
> > unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
> >
> > Well, leave that thought hang, shall we?
> >
> > Does the CF hire people to be Privates?  No, not really...they hire
> > them to
> > be all they can be...meaning they WANT to promote extend and get all
> > they
> > can out of every individual.
> >
> > So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
> > "experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with
> > some
> > askance...
> >
> > Now, its not heroin, will give you that, and its possibly not
> > immedately
> > addictive, and certainly more than one individual has come back from
> > it...so
> > being honest would give you a pretty good head start on gaining any
> > forgiveness available...
> >
> > But if you "did the stuff", and failed to admit it, well the System
> > is
> > especially unforgiving to liars....and in my view, rightly so....
> >
> > Not that I make the rules...
> >
> > John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: recruiting
> >
> >
> > > Not if you are totally honest, and do not hide anything...
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brian ."
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:17 AM
> > > Subject: recruiting
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing
> > stage.
> > > > I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement
> > when I do
> > > my
> > > > medical?
> > > >
> > > >
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recruiting a doper
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2002, 08:30:00 »
Posted by "brian ." <strangedays5@hotmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:34:09 -0400
oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda mentality
already.
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Re: recruiting a doper
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2002, 08:31:00 »
Posted by Jean-Francois Menicucci <menicucci@videotron.ca> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:21:42 -0400
Hey Brian relax,
If you were an occasional smoker of whatever subtance just chill.
90 of the Canadian population did "recreational drugs".
As for the test, well they can see it up to six months, the drugs test are
really simple.
But when you will arrives to the interview process and the officer will ask you
to identify what subtance you used in the past just be frank and honest.
Part that just relax and enjoy the summer
JF
NB: Guys remember Cpl Cloutier  famous at OKA  well he was discharged because
he admitted to had used cocaine on one occassion two years previously his
enlistment during a magazine interview..
I wonder how good his porn career is now :
"brian ." wrote:
> oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
> night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
> health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda mentality
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Re: recruiting a doper
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2002, 08:31:00 »
Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:29:52 EDT
Brian,
    You asked this list for frank comments and advice. You don‘t like how it
was presented? Didn‘t think those with much time in and, and who are very
distinguished said it the right way?
    Bugger off then.    
   
   
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