Author Topic: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)  (Read 214977 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline methionine

  • New Member
  • **
  • 1,120
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 43
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #250 on: February 25, 2015, 19:58:39 »
I have read through the various "am i too old threads" but didn't see a discussion directly related to the idea of ageism in regards to career advancement.

I'm not sure what the average age of recruitment is, I've tried looking it up but some of the stats are contradictory but a general trend I have read commented on is a trend for applicants to be older than they were 15 or 20 years ago.

I imagine some trades are more accessible to all age groups than others. For example, would a 25 year old soldier find it more difficult to promote himself to the upper levels of soldiering (say, path finder, Para, Mountain Ops, etc.) than say a 25 year old entering the CAF as a construction technician. It would seem that those trades which rely more on physical ability rather than experience built up over time would prefer younger recruits than older ones.

As well, if a member was to do an occupational transfer at say, the age of 32, after a number of years of service in a different trade, would he/she be likely to face some discrimination based on their age relative to a 20 year old applicant?

« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 20:08:11 by methionine »

Offline Jed

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 47,830
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,101
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #251 on: February 25, 2015, 20:17:08 »
Nothing new in this thread start up. My  :2c:; If you are say 25 and under there should be no issues wrt age. If you are starting out around 30 you will be handicapped due to ability and time to learn the military way. If you are around 40, unless you are a super jock, the physical aspect starts to come into play.

Of course it has to be this way due to the universality of service requirement. If you are an officer it is even more critical because you need to lead from the front, physically and mentally.
As the old man used to say: " I used to be a coyote, but I'm alright nooooOOOOWWW!"

Offline Humphrey Bogart

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 112,079
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,009
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #252 on: February 25, 2015, 20:21:44 »
Nothing new in this thread start up. My  :2c:; If you are say 25 and under there should be no issues wrt age. If you are starting out around 30 you will be handicapped due to ability and time to learn the military way. If you are around 40, unless you are a super jock, the physical aspect starts to come into play.

Of course it has to be this way due to the universality of service requirement. If you are an officer it is even more critical because you need to lead from the front, physically and mentally.

Ditto!

The military is structured so that you acquire knowledge through experience.  In other words, don't expect to become a Senior Officer or NCO if you are 40 years old and all of a sudden got this itch to join the military, it ain't happening.

Offline methionine

  • New Member
  • **
  • 1,120
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 43
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #253 on: February 25, 2015, 20:24:20 »
Any ideas as the the average age of a new recruit?

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 497,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,200
    • The job.
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #254 on: February 25, 2015, 20:36:47 »
Any ideas as the the average age of a new recruit?

Average age of enrollment.
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=102500.0

« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 22:19:03 by mariomike »

Offline FortYorkRifleman

  • Donor
  • Member
  • *
  • 5,825
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 236
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #255 on: April 11, 2015, 23:30:50 »
Currently in the application process as NCM Infantry Regular Force at the age of 27. Most applicants that I've met going for the same trade are 18 - 21 so will being an older applicant hurt my chances?

Offline GreenWood

  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • 2,385
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 73
  • Currently in the dreaded process of a CT
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #256 on: April 12, 2015, 09:14:17 »
I have seen much older member going through BMQ and their trade course, you'll be fine!

Best of luck!  :)

Offline BKM1812

  • Guest
  • *
  • 20
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #257 on: September 11, 2015, 18:36:13 »
Good Evening,

I am a 36 year old Paid on Call Firefighter with my NFPA Level 2 Certification, I am also employed as a Project Manager and Contractor; former university football coach. I have two children 9 and 6. Over the past 10 months I have made the educated decision that i wish to join as Infantry, my family is in agreement with this decision. I have gone to the Canadian Forces office and asked a recruiter several questions, which led to my decision of Infantry with the goal of progressing into a more specialized unit.

My question pertains to schedule; I realize that after Basic and Land Training I am then sent to train more specifically under my trade (Infantry). Are you able to give me the training schedule of an Infantry soldier based out of Wainwright, for example, for the 17 weeks.

Thanks very much for your time.

Offline Gunshark

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 10,925
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 344
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #258 on: September 17, 2015, 15:00:28 »
Well I'm working to join the Reserve NCM Combat Engineers at age of 28. Any thoughts on that? Don't mind the younger guys and assuming extra responsibility if necessary, but just hoping there will be a few people my age to relate more closely to.

Offline canafrican

  • Guest
  • *
  • 220
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #259 on: December 29, 2015, 16:52:50 »
After basic training you are sent to wainwright or meaford Ontario for an additional 13 weeks of training for your dp1 infantry trades training. You are not garunteed wainwright, they will send you where they need you.

I would say to really think hard about joining, especially with having 2 small children as you're going to be away from them for at least 6+ months during bmq and dp1. This doesn't include waiting on pat platoon either. Once you've graduated dp1, they can send you to any regiment in Canada. Whether it's on the east or west coast.

At 36, you want to make sure you're in the best possible shape of your life for infantry dp1, because you're going to get beasted everyday for the first little while

Offline Jarnhamar

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 286,251
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 10,711
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #260 on: December 29, 2015, 18:23:29 »
I would do some reading on these forums before going through with your decision.

At 36 you'll be treated somewhat better than an 18 year old but once you get to a battalion you'll be hit with some pretty monotonous and shitty jobs that may be a big step down from what you're used to.   Filling up jerry cans of water, lighting lanterns, sweeping and mopping concrete floors, lots of menial stuff.

I can't say for certain but I'm thinking you may get passed up for some of the cool courses (sniper, pathfinder, recce) because your unit may not feel they will get a big return on a 38 or 40 year old basic sniper. (could be wrong).

Usually when older guys come to the infantry they leave jobs like mcdonalds employee or grocery store clerk, less so a professional one like firefighter.

I'm not trying to dissuade you (that much) just check the forums out and see what the life of an infantry private and corporal is like.
There are no wolves on Fenris

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 497,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,200
    • The job.
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #261 on: December 29, 2015, 19:20:32 »
Usually when older guys come to the infantry they leave jobs like mcdonalds employee or grocery store clerk, less so a professional one like firefighter.

It sounds like he is a volunteer. Volunteer firefighters are sometimes referred to as paid-on-call firefighters due to some compensation they receive.

At any rate, he only made the one post and was "Last Active: September 26, 2015".

« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 19:39:25 by mariomike »

Offline Fishbone Jones

    MSC -5620.

  • "Some people will only like you if you fit inside their box. Don't be afraid to shove that box up their ass."
  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Myth
  • *
  • 276,712
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 18,576
    • Army.ca
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #262 on: December 29, 2015, 19:42:21 »
In the combat arms where 35 is too old to be considered for CO or RSM, you will be extremely limited for promotion also.
Corruption in politics doesn't scare me.
What scares me is how comfortable people are doing nothing about it.

Offline dangerboy

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 328,849
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,889
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #263 on: December 29, 2015, 19:52:16 »
In the combat arms where 35 is too old to be considered for CO or RSM, you will be extremely limited for promotion also.

Why do you say 35 years old is too old to be RSM or CO?  Every RSM I know right now is older than 35.
All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time.
- Lt Gen Lewis B. Puller, USMC

Online MJP

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 161,300
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,420
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #264 on: December 29, 2015, 20:08:06 »
Why do you say 35 years old is too old to be RSM or CO?  Every RSM I know right now is older than 35.

He is saying to make it up to that rank before one "ages" out.
Hope is not a valid COA

Offline Haggis

  • "There ain't no hat badge on a helmet!"
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 62,020
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,742
  • "Oh, what a glorious sight, Warm-reekin, rich!"
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #265 on: December 29, 2015, 20:18:21 »
Why do you say 35 years old is too old to be RSM or CO?  Every RSM I know right now is older than 35.

And the ones who are destined for senior appointments are probably in their early to mid 40's right now.

Succession planning for CWO (RSM) is based on CRA 55.  DSA looks at you and counts backwards from 55 to 36 to calculate if you have the "legs" for a command, key or senior appointment.  The OP clearly doesn't have enough birthdays left to be promoted to CWO by 52.  He'll never be in the succession plan and, ergo, will be passed over for promotions, cool courses, career courses and "tick in the box" jobs more often than not.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 08:51:12 by Haggis »
Train like your life depends on it.  Some day, it may.

Offline Fishbone Jones

    MSC -5620.

  • "Some people will only like you if you fit inside their box. Don't be afraid to shove that box up their ass."
  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Myth
  • *
  • 276,712
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 18,576
    • Army.ca
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #266 on: December 29, 2015, 20:18:34 »
Why do you say 35 years old is too old to be RSM or CO?  Every RSM I know right now is older than 35.

It's what we were told by the Corps RSM when we were the senior course at the school. They want you to give them more after you've done your Unit command time. If you're going to age out after that command, they won't consider you any more. Like MJP said.
Corruption in politics doesn't scare me.
What scares me is how comfortable people are doing nothing about it.

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 497,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,200
    • The job.
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #267 on: February 03, 2016, 10:48:45 »
Saw this in Ask a CAF Recruiter.

Adding it here for future reference,

Max enrolment age.
"I am 57 years old, served 5 years in the infantry '74-79. Attained rank of Cpl., completed overseas tour and so on. Question is, "Am I able to re enlist at his age. I am set on returning to the infantry if at all possible?" Be honest, lets not waste anyone's time. I can pass the physical (running would be tight)."
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,116713.0.html

Offline BCPatroit83

  • Guest
  • *
  • 30
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #268 on: April 10, 2016, 17:34:05 »
Bro;

Your never too old to join period. It even States it on the forces site. Besides 30 is the new 20. I'm 32 and looking to join the reserves, as infantry. I say go for it.

Best of luck.

Offline Loachman

  • Former Army Pilot in Drag
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 215,847
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,410
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #269 on: April 10, 2016, 18:24:06 »
Your never too old to join period.

Wrong.

Offline paleomedic

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 10,530
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 278
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #270 on: April 11, 2016, 07:21:45 »
Bro;

Your never too old to join period. It even States it on the forces site. Besides 30 is the new 20. I'm 32 and looking to join the reserves, as infantry. I say go for it.

Best of luck.

You need to able to finish your initial contract before mandatory retirement. Depending on your trade choice, the initial contract varies. Recruiting is your best bet for an answer as to whether a particular individual is too old.

Offline Dockrill923

  • Guest
  • *
  • 280
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 23
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #271 on: May 20, 2016, 10:34:37 »
I am 39 and just finished BMQ there is also a guy that is 42 in my class. there are challenges of course at a later age but we also have a few more tools in the toolbox to draw on as well. don't let your age be the reason you don't do it.
"Always choose confidence over arrogance" - Paul B'ocuse

Offline gnm62

  • Guest
  • *
  • 40
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #272 on: November 09, 2016, 15:57:55 »
I will be 54 in feb 2017 , i have always respected our military history and the people who now serve. I did once apply in my 20s but was refused because of some legal issues that have long been taken care of, this has alway been in the back of my mind and i am now seriously considering joining the reserves. I am self employed in a trade that keeps me moving all day, not sitting at a desk so I am relatively in shape, I do get the achy muscules that age brings but I would have no problem with the physical requirements. Does anyone here have any insights to older people in a seemingly younger persons domain, i would join a Montreal reserve unit and amoured soldier is of interest. Am I kidding myself by thinking I could get into that trade? If not what would training be like and how often would I be away from home? I would consider other trades but something about driving heavy duty vehicules with fire power appeals to me. Obviously im not looking for a long term career even if I wanted it and not looking for lots of money, i just want to serve my country in a way I have always admired and have some adventures also. Any info, insights , or personal stories would be appreciated. Thanks

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 497,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,200
    • The job.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2016, 18:45:45 by mariomike »

Offline tracie_anderson

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 10
Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #274 on: December 09, 2016, 23:45:37 »
Well, if I can do it at age 43, I think u can too lol. U a youngster yet!

Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk