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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2006, 21:57:22 »
As things stand right now, Navy pretty much controls EOD school
From what I was told, the Army "green engineers" are working to get a grip on it's own EODs....
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2006, 09:10:52 »
Many thanks for all the info. Doesn't sound like it'll be much of a culture shock for me to come across then. I actually had the chance a couple of weeks ago to visit a buddy at 1 CER and he showed me around the place, I must admit, I was rather impressed! Any of you who've been in a UK engr camp will understand, it basically seemed the exact same as our lines just a whole lot newer and shinier bits of kit.

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2006, 21:13:56 »
New and Shiny Kit??  Damn ...since our stuff is WWII vintage I'm guessing your kit is circa Crimean...possibly WWI??   ;D

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2006, 23:07:27 »
LOL!
possibly we should stop feeling sorry for ourselves.
we don't necessarily have lots of kit but, most of the time, it fits the bill and does the job.
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2006, 15:27:19 »
Is it true that Combat engineers can take infantry courses? I do understand that their secondary role is to act as infantry, thus my question. Thanks to any replies.
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2006, 21:51:36 »
Huh??
There are parts of the Sapper's qualifying courses that cover some of the infantry skillset - but we do not have any plans of taking over the infantry's roles and responsibilities.... we have enough work on our plate to keep us busy for a long time.

When you get to the Junior leader course, Combat arms trades all take "block 6" which is pert much all infantry.........
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2006, 21:57:03 »
We used to get the odd opening on the recce patrolman course, but no longer. There are a few sapper patrol pathfinders out there, I believe, and the machine gunner course, obviously.  Those are about the only "hard infantry" quals we can get, I think.
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2006, 22:04:00 »
pert much that Kat....
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2006, 08:04:44 »
New and Shiny Kit??  Damn ...since our stuff is WWII vintage I'm guessing your kit is circa Crimean...possibly WWI??   ;D


sorry for the delay in replying.....yes! ever seen the square mess tins from WWII/korea (possibly earlier) era? and the little folding hexamine 'tommy cookers;?


Guess what we get issued with.......


Although we did just get issued with a complete new set of makita 'combat power tools'. In usual defence procurement fashion, they're plastic and crap and keep breaking.

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2006, 08:14:58 »
Makita tools.... am certain that they got a good price for em

WRT the old mess tins.... gawd - I do remember them & know some who got sick from them... they served better as a shovel than as something to carry food in.
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2006, 11:13:13 »
I remember as a cadet way back when being told not to drink either the water from said mess tins, or the water from boiled IMP packs, can't remember which, as the metal content in either can addle your brain a wee bit.

Found it a bit weird then to be drinking both when introduced to 24hr rat packs in basic training!! :o


Explains the voices tho......

But back on thread, another question regarding the CME..

How does promotion work in the CER's? In the RE, you're promoted to Lance Corporal in unit, after completing a JNCO Cadre, but beyond that, promotion is decided upon by a board of officers at the Manning and Career Management div in Glasgow. Is it the same type of thing with the CER's? or are all promotions 'in house' as it were, based upon merit, qualifications, and space to promote you into? Basically who do you compete with for promotion, others of the same rank in your unit? Or corps-wide?

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2006, 19:56:25 »
we have to deal with the added language (french / english) issue.
5 CER can work just as well in English but is, for all intents and purposes - French working within a french based brigade group in a french based province.....

We don't have lance jacks as a rank here - Cpl is a capability based "leg up" that is based on qualifications.... Master Cpl, Sgt, WO (Staff Sgt), WO2 & WO1s are "merit listed"....  merit, qualifications, and space to promote are all factored in.

Similarities with REs exist................

Given that we are deploying Field Squadrons with each TF, we're going to need to grow the branch over the next umpteen years (optimism abounds)
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2006, 22:49:15 »
Geo. Many thanks for the information, I can't say it's had a great effect on whether I'd join or not, as I want to move home anyways and am mostly through the recruiting process as it is,  but it's been very helpful in my understanding of what I'll be 'transferring' to. Am I correct in saying I won't have much culture shock moving back across the pond to the CME's?

I've asked for 1 CER, what do you reckon my chances of getting it are? I know it's like 'how long is a piece of string', but if I can get some idea it would help as I'm orginally from Ontario, and as such Petawawa would not be such a hardship posting, however would really like Edmonton instead.


Thanks again for everyones help and information.

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2006, 06:59:02 »
I've asked for 1 CER, what do you reckon my chances of getting it are? I know it's like 'how long is a piece of string', but if I can get some idea it would help as I'm orginally from Ontario, and as such Petawawa would not be such a hardship posting, however would really like Edmonton instead.

All 4 units are hurting in the manning dept right now, so it would be hard to predict which one you'll end up at. I'd hazard to guess you're safe from going to Valcatraz (unless you have a second language profile), but you may even end up in Gagetown at 4ESR. It all depends on where the career manager needs the most pers right now.

As far as culture shock, I'm not sure what your day-to-day pace was/is in the RE, but in garrison in a CER, sometimes life is VERY slow with not much to do depending on time of year, taskings, courses, etc., but once we're in the field or on Op, we're busier than hell to the point you wish you were in the breezeway shooting the sh!t with the troops with nothing to do. ;D

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2006, 08:35:25 »
(ohhh... the infantry ;) )  (JK)
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2006, 16:49:04 »
As far as culture shock, I'm not sure what your day-to-day pace was/is in the RE, but in garrison in a CER, sometimes life is VERY slow with not much to do depending on time of year, taskings, courses, etc., but once we're in the field or on Op, we're busier than hell to the point you wish you were in the breezeway shooting the sh!t with the troops with nothing to do. ;D

Yeah, doesn't sound too different to be honest. Our daily pace is pretty hectic at times, sentry duty in a cemetary at other times. Thing that annoys me most is if there is nothing on, we sit in the G1098 store (troop equipment store) and either play euchre, watch paint dry, or oil shovels/clean shackles/photocopy pams, despite the efforts of myself and other JNCOs to get out and do any kind of training, even just cutting away to do some phys training for a couple of hours and coming back after lunch.

And then of course when we're on tour and working 14 hour days, 7 days a week, we yearn to be back in the G10 playing euchre/oiling shovels etc etc  ;D

Thanks again for the info! Much appreciated!

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2006, 18:41:11 »
  I am currently deciding between Engineer or Infantry as my CF Career.  I am joining as a Non-Commisioned.  Currently I have been working as a Carpenter/Scaffolder for the Carpenters Local 1325.  I've decided that I need a bigger challenge in my life and naturally this led me to the Canadian Forces.  I am 23 years old and have worked outdoors since I was a child and I love it.  My question for you Engineers is if you guys get alot of combat in the field or is it mostly building/labor work. Its not that I don't like hard labor I just want to join the army for more of a challenge.

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2006, 18:52:28 »
Things have changed since i left the trade but its not called "combat engineer" for nothing

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2006, 18:54:25 »
  Are there any Engineers here that were in Afghanistan that give a short rundown of some of the operations you undertook.  Just general stuff. :warstory:

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2006, 20:48:01 »
Now this is pretty generic info pulled from the Recruiting site at www.forces.ca/v3/engraph/home/home.aspx?bhcp=1 , hope it helps.

ARMY
COMBAT ENGINEER

Your job is to ensure that friendly troops can live, move and fight on the battlefield, and deny the same abilities to enemy troops.

WHAT THEY DO

Combat Engineers are members of the Military Engineer branch of the Canadian Forces. Their job is to ensure that friendly troops can live, move and fight on the battlefield, and deny the same abilities to enemy troops. They also perform duties in aid of the civil power and civil authority; participate in peace-support operations; perform construction and maintenance tasks in support of the CF and other government organizations; drive and operate vehicles and equipment in support of Engineer Operations; and maintain field installations and facilities.

Combat Engineers have the following primary duties:

   Construct and maintain roads, airfields, heliports, bridges, causeways, rafts, permanent and temporary buildings;

   Construct field defences and obstacles;

   Provide drinking water by testing, purifying and filtering local supplies and by constructing local distribution systems;

   Detect and dispose of mines, booby traps and bulk explosives;

   Deny mobility to the enemy on the battlefield by demolishing roads and bridges, and laying minefields and booby traps;

   Maintain and operate engineering equipment, including weapons, vehicles, heavy equipment and supplies;

   Provide engineer communications on the battlefield; and

   When necessary, fight as infantry (includes use of personal weapons, reconnaissance and section-level tactics).


AIR FORCE

CONSTRUCTION TECHNNICIAN

You will provide structural engineering support to operational units at home and abroad. You will construct, repair and maintain buildings for the protection of personnel and equipment, produce related structural drawings and construct field defenses.

WHAT THEY DO

The Construction Technician (CONST TECH) provides structural engineering support to operational units at home and abroad. During peacetime, CONST TECHs maintain their skills while employed at home units or on humanitarian and United Nations operational assignments. The CONST TECH occupation is one of seven Construction Engineering occupations involved in the supply of all construction, civil, electrical and mechanical engineering services in support of Canadian Forces operations worldwide.

  Construct, repair and maintain buildings for the protection of personnel and equipment

  Produce related structural designs and specifications

  Produce related structural drawings

  Construct field defenses

  Harden field structures

  Erect prefabricated structures

  Conduct reconnaissance related to the above

  Assist other Construction Engineering tradespersons




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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2006, 08:35:45 »
  Are there any Engineers here that were in Afghanistan that give a short rundown of some of the operations you undertook.  Just general stuff. :warstory:

Ummmmm....no. That would fall under Opsec.

As to your original question, Combat Engineers are basically the labourers of the Army. We are constantly busy, and have to support every unit in the brigade, whether it's with construction, destruction, explosive, mine, water crossing, bridging, water supply, defensive, etc, etc. support, all the time. While I cannot speak for my Infantry brethren, I can tell you that regardless if we're in the field or not, we are continuously busy, most of the time at short notice.

So if you want to be challenged, either trade would be of interest to you, but if you want to be able to apply some of the skillsets you already possess, then perhaps you would be suited more to Engr. I'm not sure if you've visited a recruiting centre yet, but perhaps you should as they will be able to answer most, if not all of your questions WRT which trade you would be most suited to.

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2006, 15:18:19 »
Ummmmm....no. That would fall under Opsec

Please,Engineer exploits are routinely reported on by the press, and typical historic operations are hardly opsec. Stout, Engineers are employed in A-stan doing kick as$ tasks in support of what is termed combat operations, ie. shooting it out with bad guys. Engineers employ explosives to enhance friendly positions, to gain access to enemy positions, and to hinder enemy escape. They operate Armoured heavy eqipment to breach (knock down or get past) enemy positions. they are mine clearance experts, and are busy making safe both mines, and improvised explosives (ie roadside bombs) .They also help construct and maintain camps, schools, roadways & bridges, and hospitals in theatre. They are significant "combat multipliers" (army term for enhanced killing power) who are called upon to perform their secondary duty "fight as Infantry when required" as well as fight in self defense. Engineers are termed "Infanteers with a hobby" and if you are torn between the 2 trades, take engineer.

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« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2006, 16:36:00 »
 ;D Thanks KJ_gully, that is the information I have been looking for.  I am sure I am going for Engineer now and with my construction background I don't think I should have much of a problem.  I have been training now for a few months, and my job as a carpenter keeps me pretty strong, so I don't think I will have a problem with the strength testing(up to 50 consecutive push ups, 75 sit-ups and lots of chin ups, I don't really count them) however I am a smoker and I can barely pass the minimum requirements for the running but i am working on quitting, I am down to 4 smokes a day.  I think once I am confident with my track endurance and I kick that dirty habit I will put my application through.  Engineer sounds like the most exciting trade in the forces and I can't wait to begin training. :cdn: :salute:

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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2006, 16:53:21 »
Good luck with the quitting smoking, it is hard to kick, I know. Don't make excuses to stall your application, you are in better shape than 75% of applicants, and even vif you quit, I am sad to say that the military culture, even these days, makes it tough to stay an ex smoker. If you are serious, apply, and continue your training while you wait. Having your application in will only serve to motivate you that much more. BTW for your basic recruit fitness test, your aerobic fitness need only be enough to basically remain standing upright after a brisk walk!

(edited to add motivating info with regards to the low standard of fitness required to apply for today's Canadian forces)
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Re: Information on Combat Engineers (formerly Field Engineers)
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2006, 19:47:47 »
;D Thanks KJ_gully, that is the information I have been looking for.  I am sure I am going for Engineer now and with my construction background I don't think I should have much of a problem.  I have been training now for a few months, and my job as a carpenter keeps me pretty strong, so I don't think I will have a problem with the strength testing(up to 50 consecutive push ups, 75 sit-ups and lots of chin ups, I don't really count them) however I am a smoker and I can barely pass the minimum requirements for the running but i am working on quitting, I am down to 4 smokes a day.  I think once I am confident with my track endurance and I kick that dirty habit I will put my application through.  Engineer sounds like the most exciting trade in the forces and I can't wait to begin training. :cdn: :salute:

Uhhh.... why wait? what are you going to do that you can't do while at recruit school?
tehre are no PT tests prior to recruiting (not any more anyway).  They will test you once you get to "school" if you pass - well & fine, if you don't, you get some personal attention for up to 90 days to bringyou up to scratch.

Do it now!

IMHO :)
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