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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #125 on: April 04, 2013, 13:29:01 »
..soooo from two posts you now know me well enough to judge.

See, that's the kind of attitude that makes you come off like a bag of feminine sanitary product.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2013, 13:41:32 »
..soooo from two posts you now know me well enough to judge.

See, that's the kind of attitude that makes you come off like a bag of feminine sanitary product.

And that's coming from someone doing the judging themselves though, that's my point, lol. I was ****ing around anyway...  ::)
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #127 on: April 04, 2013, 13:43:37 »
Alrighty. I'm gonna lock this bad boy up for about a day and let things chill out a bit. If anyone has anything they feel genuinely contributes to the topic that they want to add, shoot me a PM and I'll unlock it.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #128 on: April 09, 2013, 14:29:28 »
So I've read every DUI thread on here, as well as the criminal record thread, and have come to the conclusion from that information and from what I've heard from the knowledgeable members in this thread that the following information is useful and relative to this topic:

1) Your application is reviewed on a variety of factors. It seems the statement "a criminal record does not disqualify you" is true, however, it certainly makes you look bad.

2) If you're forced to wait (as it seems I am) until the end of your "judicial obligations," it would be a wise choice to volunteer somewhere, potentially somewhere related to the care of victims of your offence, and beef up the remainder of your resume.

3) You'll need references, even if you are accepted, it's likely those responsible for accepting you will want to hear from some other people that you're not a career criminal and that you've made improvements since your mistake.

4) If you don't have one already, get a full-time job. It seems CF interviews are like most other job interviews, and having recent work experience is likely a bonus. If you can, get a job in a field relative to what you're interested in doing in the army.

5) Furthering your existing education with training courses or college courses could also be useful in showing dedication and maturity. Again, if you can take a course that's related to your military interests it's an obvious plus.

Basically, if you and four other applicants are being reviewed for acceptance, they're going to balance the various factors. You may have a record, you may also be qualified in ways other applicants aren't, you may be the most fit applicant, you may be the most educated, or with the most experience or best references. Your best bet is to a) do things that show you've both learned from, and matured since, your given run-in with the law b) ensure that, as an applicant, you make your resume competitive c) be ready to convince someone that you're not a total moron and that you are still worth hiring based on the factors beyond your mistake. If you are unable to make your application stand out for reasons other than the stain on your record, you'll likely need a record suspension (previously a "pardon,") you may need one either way depending on the offence and what impact it has on the position you're applying for (ie dui would hold you back from becoming a medic as you need an unrestricted drivers license. Thus, even though you may get your license back, if there is a condition "I" you will be ineligible for positions that require a full license).

If anyone has anything constructively useful to add please do.Thank you everyone, and I hope future army.ca members/readers find this information, and find it useful!

SOME USEFUL RESOURCES THAT WERE SHARED WITH OR FOUND BY ME:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12896.0.html - Criminal Record (merged), thanks to mariomike
http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/5000/5019-7-eng.asp - Forces DAOD on Alcohol Misconduct, thanks to garb811 http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=98610.0 - Thread on joining with a DUI
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php?topic=107018.0 - Thread on DUI in the Forces

I will add any more information I find and also update with any of my personal experiences as they come along.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #129 on: April 11, 2013, 15:20:12 »
...I understand theres a lot of applicants, but it's not like I robbed a bank or molested a kid, and I'm sure many of them wont have the education, experience, physical fitness or whatever their case may be, that I do...

In my line of work I occasionally get to share a very fast, very bumpy ride in the back of an ambulance with someone in the final moments of their life.  Sometimes this is as the result of someone drinking and driving.  I'm pretty sure that those people and their families would agree that while impaired driving is not like molesting kids or robbing banks, sometimes it is a lot like murder. I'm just sayin'.

I sense that you feel you are being unfairly judged by this forum.  Perhaps that is true, perhaps many who have posted here have rushed to judgement without really knowing anything about you.  On the other hand, perhaps the reaction you have received is a bellwether of how people in the CF feel about (a) impaired driving and (b) those who don't take responsibility for their actions.  I have read where you say you take responsibility and accept the consequences and whatnot, but on the other hand you also wrote that it was a bogus charge...you could have got off...lip surgery excuse etc...I infer from these comments that you do not truly take responsibility for your actions.  And as long as this attitude is reflected in what you post on army.ca, I think you can probably expect to receive more of the same.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #130 on: April 11, 2013, 15:24:23 »
WRT Brihard not liking you, don't sweat it - he hates everyone.  :)

That's not true. Just drunk drivers, hippies, left handed people, and above all, lippy medics.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2013, 15:57:54 »
But on the other hand you also wrote that it was a bogus charge...you could have got off...lip surgery excuse etc...I infer from these comments that you do not truly take responsibility for your actions.

I'd understand this if I'd actually pursued that defence at a trial, but I never said it was a "bogus charge," and I plead guilty without even mentioning that in court. That was simply something my lawyer suggested. I agree with the rest of your post, and I now understand why everyone judged me and what not...however, day one of being here, I obviously didn't. I'm waiting until October (completion of my probation) to file my application again/send in my documents/whatever CFRC tells me to do in any case, so I'll have plenty of time to redeem myself in the eyes of the community, and follow everyone's advice, by that time.
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #132 on: April 11, 2013, 16:09:54 »
I'd understand this if I'd actually pursued that defence at a trial, but I never said it was a "bogus charge," and I plead guilty without even mentioning that in court. That was simply something my lawyer suggested. I agree with the rest of your post, and I now understand why everyone judged me and what not...however, day one of being here, I obviously didn't. I'm waiting until October (completion of my probation) to file my application again/send in my documents/whatever CFRC tells me to do in any case, so I'll have plenty of time to redeem myself in the eyes of the community, and follow everyone's advice, by that time.

For the love of all things holy, please stop bailing a leaky boat and just let this one drop.  You got off to a bad start here and it quickly got worse, not all entirely your fault, I may add.  You aren't going to change anyone's opinion, and, clearly, they aren't going to change yours.  Do your penance, eat the allotted crap sandwich, then put in your application and spin the wheel, just like everyone else. FWIW, a lot of the people in here served at a time when a DWI and a year of being squeaky clean was almost a prerequisite for promotion.
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No insurance fines/DUI
« Reply #133 on: September 17, 2017, 17:37:48 »
Hi everyone. About 2 years ago I was pulled over and had no insurance and blew over. I have paid off the fines and stuff for the DUI, but have not paid the no insurance fine. I dont think no insurance is a criminal offense so would this keep me from trying to apply? Ive read that you must be free of court obligations and i have no probabtion or anything like that, and have paid the criminal DUI fine. My license i have not got back. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: No insurance fines/DUI
« Reply #134 on: September 17, 2017, 17:52:31 »
but have not paid the no insurance fine.

See,

Applying & worried about a traffic or speeding ticket? (merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=35022.75
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Unpaid fines are discussed here.

have paid the criminal DUI fine.

Licence suspensions and unpaid fines as a result of a DUI are discussed here,

Joining Canadian Forces with Pending DUI 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=98610.0
3 pages.

Unpaid fines are also discussed here,

Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=1399.0

DUI convictions are discussed here,

Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12896.200

My license i have not got back.

Licence required, or not required,
https://www.google.ca/search?rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-CA%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&dcr=0&q=site%3Aarmy.ca+licence+required&oq=site%3Aarmy.ca+licence+required&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0.0.94398.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.Qw9Z8gAIFPo

There are other discussions regarding applicants with DUI's, licence suspensions, and unpaid fines.

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of up to date information.
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Re: No insurance fines/DUI
« Reply #135 on: September 17, 2017, 19:28:57 »
Hi everyone. About 2 years ago I was pulled over and had no insurance and blew over. I have paid off the fines and stuff for the DUI, but have not paid the no insurance fine. I dont think no insurance is a criminal offense so would this keep me from trying to apply? Ive read that you must be free of court obligations and i have no probabtion or anything like that, and have paid the criminal DUI fine. My license i have not got back. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

What province are you in? That's going to change how its viewed. A quick Google:

http://pointts.com/traffic-ticket-questions/
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What happens if I ignore my ticket?

If no response to the ticket has been received by the court indicated on the reverse of the offence notice within 15 days after it was served on the person charged, the person is deemed not to dispute the charge. If the ticket is complete and proper on its face, then a justice of the peace shall enter a conviction in the defendant’s absence and impose the set fine for the offence.

What if I need more time to pay my fine?

A request may be made to a justice of the peace at the convicting court for an extension of time to pay the fine. This is usually granted if they can be provided proof, such as receipts from the court that some effort has been made to pay the fine in installments. If none of the fine has been paid then it will be unlikely any extension will be granted.

What happens if I don’t pay my traffic ticket fine?

If a fine is not paid within the time period provided by the court, additional costs are imposed and the amount may be forwarded to a collection agency or a request may be made by the court to the Ministry of Transportation to have your licence suspended.

If, after a licence is suspended the fine is paid, an additional $150 is payable to the Ministry of Transportation to reinstate the licence.

If your fine is in collections, the CAF is going to want you to have a payment plan when they do the background and credit check. So its not necessarily that's its a criminal conviction or not, its that you have a large, outstanding fine in collections that you've decided to ignore. You screwed up, pay the fine if able and move on with your life. If you can't, be prepared to be told you cannot join until you sort it out.

Credit check info here: https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,13319.425.html

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Re: DUI - Effects on Joining?
« Reply #136 on: September 20, 2017, 12:20:53 »
Im in Ontario. Having a record has screwed me out of many good job opportunities.  My license is suspended until i can pay the fines. I  have no money to pay fines. I just want a clean slate in life. Thanks for the help guys i appreciate it
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Re: DUI - Effects on Joining?
« Reply #137 on: September 20, 2017, 12:46:46 »
Thanks for the help guys i appreciate it

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)


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Recieved Job Offer - Suspended drivers license
« Reply #138 on: January 22, 2018, 13:18:23 »
Just reviewing the forums because I had a complication while waiting for my date of employment. 

I had my license suspended for speeding ...suspension showed up in the mail 4 months after my ticket was paid for and forgotten about and thought it was behind me..because I am a new driver they were able to asses my ticket and decided to suspend my license for 4 months ( I have had no other infractions and because I do not have an employer they can't fill out the paperwork to reinstate my license for reasons of employment)....suspension began 1 week before I was to leave for boot camp...I spoke to the recruiter and he advised me that I had to wait for the suspension to be lifted to be employed by the army. 

I looked through the Careers online and the Career I had the job offer for Communications Researcher doesn't list needing a license, just wondering if I should look at other Career options, or if I am still on the Merit List.   Looking for help and advice on securing employment with the armed forces, I live in a small community and its been tough to find work because everyone knows for the past 8 months that I was leaving for the army. 

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Re: Recieved Job Offer - Suspended drivers license
« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2018, 13:20:21 »
Contact your recruiting centre.

There could be other factors involved with this, like if you were charged criminally.


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Re: Recieved Job Offer - Suspended drivers license
« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2018, 13:28:27 »
Thanks for your quick reply, I do not have a criminal record , I reviewed that with MPI....I have talked to my recruiter and shared all the paperwork from MPI and when my suspension will be lifted and I will have a full license again.  It could be that I just have to wait.

Just wondered if I have to start from square one and if this bumped me off the Merit List or if there are other career options open to me while my license is supsended.  I may email my recruiter with some more specific questions. 

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2018, 16:07:00 »
Thanks for your quick reply, I do not have a criminal record , I reviewed that with MPI....I have talked to my recruiter and shared all the paperwork from MPI and when my suspension will be lifted and I will have a full license again.  It could be that I just have to wait.

Just wondered if I have to start from square one and if this bumped me off the Merit List or if there are other career options open to me while my license is supsended.  I may email my recruiter with some more specific questions.
I'm kind of curious if it will have any effect since a drivers license is not required.


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Re: Recieved Job Offer - Suspended drivers license
« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2018, 16:18:50 »
Thanks for your quick reply, I do not have a criminal record , I reviewed that with MPI....I have talked to my recruiter and shared all the paperwork from MPI and when my suspension will be lifted and I will have a full license again.  It could be that I just have to wait.

Just wondered if I have to start from square one and if this bumped me off the Merit List or if there are other career options open to me while my license is supsended.  I may email my recruiter with some more specific questions.

You have probably answered your own question, you need to talk to a recruiter.

Despite not requiring a driver's license for the job, I'm willing to bet the hold up here is an outstanding commitment to the legal system (suspended license).

Just so I'm tracking properly, you had your license suspended 1 week before BMQ and were therefore removed from training? Were you not already sworn in and on LWOP awaiting your course? There's some timeline things that don't add up here.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2018, 17:00:42 »
I was not sworn in, that was to happen a few days before I left for Boot Camp I was not on LWOP, there was only going to be one or two days that I would have been on LWOP. 

I know I have to serve the suspension,  just looking to see if I need to start from square one when the suspension is up and reapply all over for that Career when I have a full license reinstated..or if I would still be on the Merit List..not entirely sure what the Merit list is..just trying to figure it out from reading amongst the forums. 

thanks for answering my questions

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #144 on: January 22, 2018, 17:07:34 »
..not entirely sure what the Merit list is..

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #145 on: January 22, 2018, 17:23:40 »
Curious. A driver’s license suspension issued by a provincial ministry as a result of infractions and demerit points/license class is NOT a court action. A court ordered suspension as a sentence is different. I would confirm if the suspension was issued by the ministry for remedial purposes. I suspect it was based on what you’re saying- I charged a guy for driving suspended just a week ago who lost his license by decision of the ministry due to accrued demerit points. It wasn’t a court ordered suspension, it was entirely ministry of transportation.

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2018, 17:35:50 »
Thanks Brihard for that insight...so do you think that there is a distinction then between which Ministry has made the decision on my license suspension?  I will have to look over my paperwork again to see. 

Thanks these forums are very helpful trying to sort things out   


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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #147 on: January 22, 2018, 20:48:13 »
I had a closer look at the paperwork I was sent from MPI, Registrar of Motor Vehicles is the listed.  So this isn't a Court Action. 

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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #148 on: January 23, 2018, 10:36:04 »
I'm wondering if the Recruiting Centre may have made a mistake.  A suspension is not a sentence and there is no "obligation" to the court. 
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Re: Driver's License suspension
« Reply #149 on: January 23, 2018, 16:18:16 »
Or, even if having a driver's license is not a requirement to enrol as COMM RSCH, it may be one of their tasks and having a license suspension would preclude putting him on drivers training.  Though it is not the trade specs (don't have access), this is included in the task statement for COMM RSCH medical standards.

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