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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #250 on: May 11, 2019, 11:23:36 »
Yea good point! I completely forgot about HRG,  I dont think I've used it in at least 4 years.

You'll use it for sure as an ACSO.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #251 on: May 11, 2019, 14:40:25 »
Hey guys,

Can you confirm which courses are prerequisites for loading the ACSO Course?

Right now I'm tracking AMT Initial Aircrew, sea survival, basic EW, and BSERE (is this AOS-L, or AOS-SERE, or neither?)

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #252 on: May 11, 2019, 14:45:41 »
BSERE is now called the AOS-L (Air Operationss Survival - Land).  Depending on time of year, it can be an enjoyable course - mine was in late Nov/early Dec.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #253 on: May 11, 2019, 16:01:19 »
BSERE is now called the AOS-L (Air Operationss Survival - Land).  Depending on time of year, it can be an enjoyable course - mine was in late Nov/early Dec.

Ok thanks! With that being said, what is a good time to take the course? I'd prefer cold over mosquitoes, but not sure where the AOS-L is conducted nor when the mosquitoes disappear for the winter in that area lol

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #254 on: May 11, 2019, 16:27:41 »
The training site is Springer Lake, NE of Winnipeg/close to the Ontario border.  I know a few guys who did summer courses and they looked like they'd been shot 1000 times with 12 guage birdshot, they had so many bug bites.   :nod:

I did mine in late Nov/early Dec.  No mud, no bugs, no snow (we may have gotten lucky!).  Average daytime temp on mine was +8, which was lucky for that time of year.  I had a blast on mine, if I would have gotten some game on my solo I would have stayed longer and enjoyed it.

If you go to the Winnipeg/17 Wing DIN site, look for CFSSAT (CF School of Survival and Aeromedical Training).  They used to have their course calendar online where you could see where they are running AMT, AOS-L, etc.  The same for BEW, that should be under the Barker College, also on the 17 Wing site.

For Sea Survival, you should be able to find that on the 19 Wing site under CFSSAR (CF School Search and Rescue).  I also loved the sea survival course, did mine in October at Quadra.

If you're interested, you might also consider doing the Basic EW course via DL.  I did mine that way;  3 months to complete vice the 1 week residential course, and something to do while you're on BTL.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #255 on: May 11, 2019, 17:00:15 »
EITS:  It's Barker College, not Baker.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #256 on: May 11, 2019, 17:15:58 »
EITS:  It's Barker College, not Baker.

Oops!   ;D   RCAF W/C William G. Barker VC Aerospace College

Is BEW a pre-req ACSO course?
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #257 on: May 11, 2019, 17:34:07 »
The training site is Springer Lake, NE of Winnipeg...

Ok great thanks for all of the info and the pictures too, it's much appreciated!

BEW is a prerequisite according to the ACSO TP I was able to find, I dont think it's the new TP though....

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #258 on: May 11, 2019, 20:13:31 »

If you're interested, you might also consider doing the Basic EW course via DL.  I did mine that way;  3 months to complete vice the 1 week residential course, and something to do while you're on BTL.

I'm hoping that while I'm on BTL they will send me to Trenton to do some OJE but if I do end up sitting around for any length of time I'll definately consider the DL (that's assuming I'm given the option), although I'd prob prefer to get it over with in a week residentialy.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #259 on: May 12, 2019, 11:38:32 »
I'm hoping that while I'm on BTL they will send me to Trenton to do some OJE but if I do end up sitting around for any length of time I'll definately consider the DL (that's assuming I'm given the option), although I'd prob prefer to get it over with in a week residentialy.

I know the week option sounds appealing.  However, the BEW course covers quite a bit of information.  Personally I’d recommend the DL method if that’s available to you.


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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #260 on: May 12, 2019, 11:55:23 »
I know the week option sounds appealing.  However, the BEW course covers quite a bit of information.  Personally I’d recommend the DL method if that’s available to you.

I agree.  It's a bit of a firehose and having the time to do it via DL helped.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #261 on: May 12, 2019, 14:20:05 »
I know the week option sounds appealing.  However, the BEW course covers quite a bit of information.  Personally I’d recommend the DL method if that’s available to you.

I agree.  It's a bit of a firehose and having the time to do it via DL helped.

Thanks for your opinion guys, maybe I'll go for the DL if I'm given the option and have the time, much appreciated!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #262 on: May 27, 2019, 18:18:43 »
I'm on the first serial of the new ACSO course. BEW is a prerequisite as are AOS-L, AOS-S, and AMT. I don't think Barker College offers a residential BEW course any more. AOEW is still residential though.

AFOD Block 1 also is required to graduate, but can be done while on course if necessary.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #263 on: May 27, 2019, 19:15:23 »
I'm on the first serial of the new ACSO course. BEW is a prerequisite as are AOS-L, AOS-S, and AMT. I don't think Barker College offers a residential BEW course any more. AOEW is still residential though.

AFOD Block 1 also is required to graduate, but can be done while on course if necessary.

Hey Guy,

How long after BMOQ did it take you to complete all the prerequisite courses you mentioned and begin your ACSO Course? I'll be transferring to my local BTL in July and then I will begin doing all those courses (I bypassed BMOQ). It would be great to have an idea how long I could expect to be waiting until I'm able to get on an ACSO serial.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #264 on: June 13, 2019, 22:55:05 »
Hey Guy,

How long after BMOQ did it take you to complete all the prerequisite courses you mentioned and begin your ACSO Course? I'll be transferring to my local BTL in July and then I will begin doing all those courses (I bypassed BMOQ). It would be great to have an idea how long I could expect to be waiting until I'm able to get on an ACSO serial.

Thanks

I would expect prerequisite training will be completed rather quickly. I haven't heard of long waits for AOS-L, AOS-S, or AMT. Get self-enrolled on BEW and AFOD Block 1 ASAP.

I'm the odd case on my course, as I remustered from another aircrew trade, so I had all the prerequisite courses already completed. The rest of my course mates are DEO, and they all were able to complete BMOQ, all prerequisite training, and be ACSO course loaded in about 1 year. In my case, I was course loaded about 4 months after my effective remuster date.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #265 on: July 03, 2019, 18:07:56 »
I would expect prerequisite training will be completed rather quickly. I haven't heard of long waits for AOS-L, AOS-S, or AMT. Get self-enrolled on BEW and AFOD Block 1 ASAP.

I'm the odd case on my course, as I remustered from another aircrew trade, so I had all the prerequisite courses already completed. The rest of my course mates are DEO, and they all were able to complete BMOQ, all prerequisite training, and be ACSO course loaded in about 1 year. In my case, I was course loaded about 4 months after my effective remuster date.

Ok that's great to know, I recently received my promotion to 2lt so I should be able to register for BEW and AFOD Block 1 now while I await course loading.

Just have another couple of questions... as a career status mbr did you have to pay R&Q while on course or was it considered TD and covered?

What are the  accomodation arrangements while on the ACSO Course? (Number of persons per room, shared washroom, etc.)

Are the AOS-L, AOS-S, and AMT courses done back to back or will I have to travel from here in Kingston on 3 different occasions to complete the courses  prior to heading to winnipeg for the ACSO Course?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #266 on: July 03, 2019, 18:36:39 »
(not an ACSO...I can tie my own boots  8))….mine were spread out, I did AMT in Oct, then went back for AOS-L in Nov/Dec and did AOS-S a year or two later in Oct.

Crse availability and *priority* factors in...and your ACSO crse pre-reqs, and along with that 'what' ACSO crse they are loading you on.

They're all great courses, hope you enjoy them!
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #267 on: July 03, 2019, 21:07:49 »
(not an ACSO...I can tie my own boots  8))….mine were spread out, I did AMT in Oct, then went back for AOS-L in Nov/Dec and did AOS-S a year or two later in Oct.

Crse availability and *priority* factors in...and your ACSO crse pre-reqs, and along with that 'what' ACSO crse they are loading you on.

They're all great courses, hope you enjoy them!

Haha that's why I got boots with zippers :P.... I'm hoping to get on an ACSO course beginning in 2019 and completing all prerequisite courses between now and then. This may be a bit optimistic on my part but I think its definitely possible if there isn't a back log for the ACSO and pre-req courses as Guy had mentioned previously. Thanks again for the info!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #268 on: August 17, 2019, 17:33:12 »
Hey guys!
I got my offer for DEO-ACSO in July, headed to BMOQ Sep 07. I'm so freaking excited!!!  ;D
Although I'm not too worried about BMOQ (it sounds akin to being on a varsity/provincial sports team.. which I've done plenty!), I am however anxious about trade school.
Any tips you guys can give me?
Like, how can I best prepare myself before heading to Winterpeg, and how to best succeed while I'm there?
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #269 on: August 17, 2019, 18:00:04 »
Hey guys!
I got my offer for DEO-ACSO in July, headed to BMOQ Sep 07. I'm so freaking excited!!!  ;D
Although I'm not too worried about BMOQ (it sounds akin to being on a varsity/provincial sports team.. which I've done plenty!), I am however anxious about trade school.
Any tips you guys can give me?
Like, how can I best prepare myself before heading to Winterpeg, and how to best succeed while I'm there?
Thanks in advance!
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If you have a chance to do some on-the-job training at a squadron with ACSOs in it, it will help you see how things work from their end.  Otherwise, a bit of background on aviation (From The Ground Up is a good book) will help but not required.  Don't do it before or during BMOQ - you'll be busy enough.

During the course, be prepared to "drink from the firehose" but also have weeks of doing nothing because of serviceability and other issues.  On the ACSO course (and BMOQ now that I think about it) you'll be working closely with others so help them out, and seek help, when you can.  Don't screw people over to make yourself look good - it may work short-term but it *will* come back to bite you. 

Oh, also don't get a sense of entitlement over NCMs because you're an officer.  That mindset can creep up on you but as an ACSO, more often than not you'll be working with NCMs (AES Ops, SAR Techs, FEs, Loadmasters) that will see that.  Basically, don't be a dick.

Good luck on BMOQ and ACSO training.  Maybe I'll see you on squadron sometime.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #270 on: August 19, 2019, 12:50:53 »
If you have a chance to do some on-the-job training at a squadron with ACSOs in it, it will help you see how things work from their end.  Otherwise, a bit of background on aviation (From The Ground Up is a good book) will help but not required.  Don't do it before or during BMOQ - you'll be busy enough.

During the course, be prepared to "drink from the firehose" but also have weeks of doing nothing because of serviceability and other issues.  On the ACSO course (and BMOQ now that I think about it) you'll be working closely with others so help them out, and seek help, when you can.  Don't screw people over to make yourself look good - it may work short-term but it *will* come back to bite you. 

Oh, also don't get a sense of entitlement over NCMs because you're an officer.  That mindset can creep up on you but as an ACSO, more often than not you'll be working with NCMs (AES Ops, SAR Techs, FEs, Loadmasters) that will see that.  Basically, don't be a dick.

Good luck on BMOQ and ACSO training.  Maybe I'll see you on squadron sometime.


Thank you so much for the advice, it's much appreciated!!
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