Author Topic: Occupational and Component Transfers (OT/CT/VOT) During and After BMQ (Merged)  (Read 113594 times)

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Offline Matthard

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I am needing a MOC reassignment as well, however, I am unsure how to create the memo. If someone could send me or direct me to a template I would appreciate it. I just finished BMQ and want to do it right. Thank you.

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You could also ask your MCpl/Sgt/immediate superior for assistance.  It is part of their leadership function.
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Hi everyone! (I really hope this is where I’m supposed to post this.)

My name is Meghan and I’m a grade 11 student in Ontario. Like pretty much everyone else in high school, I’d rather not graduate university with a debt that causes me to mortgage my firstborn. The military seems to offer an ideal program, but I want to make sure it’s right for me.

1. If I do a grade 12 co-op, can I then join the Reg forces after it and attend a civilian university at the same time? (It has to be civilian because RMC doesn’t offer the degree that I want.) Would it still be covered by the Paid Education program?

2. Does the degree I get have to match the job I want in the military? For reference, I’d like a degree in Forensics, International Law or Journalism. The only jobs I can see myself doing and doing well in the CF are your basic Infantry Soldier or being an Imagery Technician. (I’d like to be a NCM)

I’m sorry if these are really common questions. I’ve looked around and can’t seem to find any answers to my specific questions.

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Enrolling with a PRes unit during a co-op means you will be doing an OT for Image Tech and CT for both trades you mentioned.

RegF NCM paid education is mostly through an ILP. The key part to this,
is that it must apply to your trade. So a forensics degree would not be approved for an Image Tech.

If you have your heart set on a degree, ROTP at RMC is the only option this FY, except for 8 specified Officer trades.
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What degree would be best for Infantry?

Would a Journalism degree match with Imagery Tech or would I need more specific training?

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NCM trades do not require a degree. The BPSO is the best person to recommend what degree might be accepted for an ILP.

If you choose the ROTP route, any degree is suitable for Infantry Officer.
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Thank you for the information! I will be sure to do that ASAP.

Have a good night. :)

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I have a question regards of Component Transfers CT, I want to transfer from Army to Air Force, right after I finish my BMQ, I was applied for Air Force Supply Tech but somehow the recruiting center give me an Army Supply Tech offer, I was waited 13 months already and didn't want wait anymore so I  signed Army offer, now I am on the middle of my BMQ. Could any one give me some directive or a link for what to do, any suggestion will be very appreciated, thank you in advance.   

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I have a question regards of Component Transfers CT, I want to transfer from Army to Air Force, right after I finish my BMQ, I was applied for Air Force Supply Tech but somehow the recruiting center give me an Army Supply Tech offer, I was waited 13 months already and didn't want wait anymore so I  signed Army offer, now I am on the middle of my BMQ.

Sounds like you want an Element change,

Element Transfer
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=94747.0

element change 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=92932.0
2 pages.

What element to pick 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=121873.0

Switching "Wrong" Element Wait Time?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=116234.0
2 pages.

etc...

As Supply Tech is a Purple trade, see also,

Purple Trades
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=22558.125
11 pages.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 14:53:52 by mariomike »

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thank you

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thank you

You are welcome. Good luck. :)

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Res here and looking to switch trades however what would be more useful civi side ? Supply Teck or HRA Clerk

Also how do I do this (is this called a VOT since I only have my basic done )
« Last Edit: March 25, 2019, 14:41:47 by TheSnake »

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My Apologies If my question sounds stupid but I just wanted to understand the know hows of this. Are soldiers allowed to transfer between trades in the forces ? Like from artillery to Infantry or must you stick with the one you choose at start. After how long can you choose another trade ?

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Yes, you can apply (request) to change trades (Occupational Transfer).  If you're already trade qualified in a current trade, the time requirements are 36 months of service if you are in a combat arms trade (Infantry, Armoured, Artillery, Combat Engineer) or 48 months of service for all other NCM trades.

You can also request something called a MOC Reassignment if you aren't trade qualified yet and in the training system.

There are some rules, requirements for each of the OT and MOC Reassignment which you'll probably find if you search/read thru this thread.
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Are soldiers allowed to transfer between trades in the forces ?

See also,

Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21109.0.html
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Hey guys,

First, I would like to apologize if this has been posted before. I tried to do some research and looked for previous posts but I stumbled upon nothing. So I have applied to join the Canadian Army since November 2017. At first I was told I was successful for the CFAT but don't have enough score to join as DEO/ Officer. So I applied for the NCM trades. I was told I'd have more chances of getting into Combat Engineer rather then what I want to get into. I have a degree in B.Sc. in Earth Science and Physical Geography. So my background is more towards geomatics and drafting survey fields. I'm really hoping to get into either geomatics or drafting survey but was told I might not be qualified due to my CFAT score. So here's my question, in case I don't get into either the fields I like. What is the likelihood of me switching trades down the road once I join the army? I can see myself having a career with the CAF but most likely in something that I would love doing. Not that I'm saying I can't do combat engineer since I'm always up for new challenges and learn something new. But I just don't want my bachelor degree to go to waste. So I want to know if it would be easy to switch trades down the road. Therefore, I would welcome anybody with any information, and anyone who could give me some advice. I would really appreciate it.

Please and thank you.

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Hey guys,

First, I would like to apologize if this has been posted before. I tried to do some research and looked for previous posts but I stumbled upon nothing. So I have applied to join the Canadian Army since November 2017. At first I was told I was successful for the CFAT but don't have enough score to join as DEO/ Officer. So I applied for the NCM trades. I was told I'd have more chances of getting into Combat Engineer rather then what I want to get into. I have a degree in B.Sc. in Earth Science and Physical Geography. So my background is more towards geomatics and drafting survey fields. I'm really hoping to get into either geomatics or drafting survey but was told I might not be qualified due to my CFAT score. So here's my question, in case I don't get into either the fields I like. What is the likelihood of me switching trades down the road once I join the army? I can see myself having a career with the CAF but most likely in something that I would love doing. Not that I'm saying I can't do combat engineer since I'm always up for new challenges and learn something new. But I just don't want my bachelor degree to go to waste. So I want to know if it would be easy to switch trades down the road. Therefore, I would welcome anybody with any information, and anyone who could give me some advice. I would really appreciate it.

Please and thank you.

My question at this point;  have you considered rewriting the CFAT after some 'prep' for it?  That might open up the DEO route and/or the Geo Tech and Drafting & Surveying Tech trades. 

And here's the big reason I ask about rewriting your CFAT after some prep;  to do an Occupational Transfer into a different trade if you are in the Forces already, you must have passed the CFAT levels for that trade. 

Rewriting CFAT is a must at this point if you want to go DEO, Geo Tech or Drafting/Survey Tech at any point.  Personally, I say the effort is worth it;  I had to rewrite my CFAT as the trade I wanted to OT into didn't exist when I joined the CAF.  I basically brushed up on some math, with a focus on fractions, and I was successful.  The effort of a few weeks has paid off for years now and will pay off until I retire from the Forces.

« Last Edit: August 29, 2019, 18:15:48 by Eye In The Sky »
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Hey guys,

Thank you @mariomike for your reply. I will definitely check those links.

Hello @ Eye In The Sky. Thanks for your reply!

I really want to rewrite the CFAT if that is what it would take, I'm just not sure if it is possible though as I had already written the CFAT twice. I was told it's futile to have a third go at it. Both time I wrote the CFAT I don't think I had prepared properly. But I'm willing to work and study hard if I could write it again. Another thing I should mention, my file just got transferred from Ottawa to Edmonton and now I'm waiting to get an email regarding the interview. It took a while for my medical to get approved ( my fault though) but I'm not sure how long it is going to take to get an interview. When I updated my file after my file expired, I was told I could add Geo Tech or Drafting/Survey Tech as my choices since they have them opened but during the interview I would be advised I fit to these categories or not. So I was wondering should I ask to rewrite the CFAT now? if I could rewrite it a third time. I just don't want this to keep dragging and I really want to join the CAF. Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you!

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Thank you @mariomike for your reply.

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

I really want to rewrite the CFAT if that is what it would take, I'm just not sure if it is possible though as I had already written the CFAT twice.

For reference to the discussion,

I have a quick question about doing a re-write
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=109185.0

CFAT Rewrite 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=107773.0

CFAT Re-write
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNStShvfT3emySLRzD4VTcZeZC5FYw%3A1567715048735&source=hp&ei=6G5xXeuoKoPQ0PEP25KX8AQ&q=site%3Aarmy.ca+re+write&oq=si&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.35i39l2j0i67j0j0i131l2j0l3j0i131.1498.1822..4020...0.0..0.230.433.2-2......0....1..gws-wiz.Pg4nHoieqCQ#spf=1567715052808

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Awesome!

Thank you for the links and the reply.

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Awesome!

Thank you for the links and the reply.

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

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Thanks!! I need it :)