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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1725 on: November 23, 2017, 15:22:32 »
Did he have anything to say about the lack of headroom in the back for techs and the lack of upper window in the cockpit?

The lack of headroom stuff, yes.  Most of the talk was about lack of speed, legs, APUs, how well composite props like gravel and rocks, and 'why the Spartan would have been the right pick of the two' for military, operational capabilities reasons.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1726 on: November 23, 2017, 15:53:36 »
'why the Spartan would have been the right pick of the two'.

Maybe for the CAF and any end-users of said airplane, but to the penny-pinchers?   :whistle:
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1727 on: November 23, 2017, 16:01:11 »
Good point...edited!   8)
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1728 on: November 23, 2017, 16:09:45 »
... but to the penny-pinchers?   :whistle:


Except that Airbus bid was $1.3 billion (with a "B") over budget set in the RFP.  Link   ???

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1729 on: November 23, 2017, 17:46:51 »
So, had a chat with a friend who is a fling-wing SAR type earlier today.  I wasn't aware that the new FWSAR wasn't going to have an APU.

Interesting, and likely not in a good way.

Had a nav buddy that said you need to be about hobbit height to work well in that airframe :P

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1730 on: November 23, 2017, 19:42:36 »
From my limited visibility on the project, the back end is apparently not all that bad for SAR techs.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1731 on: November 23, 2017, 19:55:26 »

Except that Airbus bid was $1.3 billion (with a "B") over budget set in the RFP.  Link   ???

This is the part I don't understand. How were they allowed to go over budget? How did they go over budget since pretty much every published number has the C-295 substantially cheaper than the C-27? What happened with Leonardo's challenge was it thrown out?

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1732 on: November 23, 2017, 21:03:29 »
From my limited visibility on the project, the back end is apparently not all that bad for SAR techs.

It looks like an ergonomic disaster from my perspective. Par for the course I suppose.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1733 on: November 23, 2017, 21:35:03 »
From my limited visibility on the project, the back end is apparently not all that bad for SAR techs.

For some perspective...you can really see how tight the 295 is in the video and how spacious the Spartan is.

https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,23889.msg1480492.html#msg1480492
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1734 on: November 23, 2017, 21:36:32 »
Lets see how the test and evaluations go before we make damning conclusions :)

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1735 on: November 23, 2017, 21:45:40 »
Lets see how the test and evaluations go before we make damning conclusions :)

Agreed. Though I am basing my thoughts on experience on all four platforms. Guess we'll see.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1736 on: November 24, 2017, 10:34:16 »
The only good news I can see is that Airbus part support will be far better than Leonardo's.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1738 on: September 20, 2018, 15:20:29 »
Link removed.

Reference,
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=99046.0


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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1739 on: September 20, 2018, 15:47:48 »
Basically that post was the planes are going to be painted yellow not grey.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1740 on: September 21, 2018, 03:29:22 »
There's talk the crew compliment might be up for discussion...I've heard a few things thru my trade CofC that the Div Comd wants sensor operators to operate sensors.  AES Ops on the crew might be on the table again.   :dunno:
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1741 on: September 21, 2018, 09:00:06 »
There's talk the crew compliment might be up for discussion...I've heard a few things thru my trade CofC that the Div Comd wants sensor operators to operate sensors.  AES Ops on the crew might be on the table again.   :dunno:

Logical, but your trade is in no position, currently, to actually fill those seats....

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1742 on: September 21, 2018, 16:40:56 »
Are there any technical trades, or for that matter any trades, currently capable of meeting establishment?
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1743 on: September 21, 2018, 16:52:22 »
Are there any technical trades, or for that matter any trades, currently capable of meeting establishment?

If you have DWAN access you can consult the monthly PARRA report.

YOu'd also be advised t oseek out a copy of the CAF Establishment Study from a few years ago on that question.
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1744 on: September 21, 2018, 18:06:35 »
No DWAN, not even padawan.

I shall have to satisfy myself with ancient history.  Thanks  ;)
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1745 on: September 24, 2018, 10:08:10 »
Logical, but your trade is in no position, currently, to actually fill those seats....

Demand is certainly outpacing supply at this time.
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1746 on: March 23, 2019, 13:02:20 »
I've read that the Airbus will be designated the CC-295, but what is it being named?  Airbus calls the MPA variant the Persuader.  That's the only name I've ever come across for any variant.

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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1747 on: March 23, 2019, 13:12:58 »
I don't think they've decided yet...
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1748 on: April 28, 2019, 13:56:28 »
First C295 rollout video

Article Link - Building Canada's first C295

Canada’s dedicated search and rescue (SAR) crews regularly put their lives on the line, relying on aircraft to overcome the significant challenges presented by dangerous weather and terrain.

The requirements for Canadian SAR aircraft have been well-documented – from demanding mountain contour search, Arctic and North Atlantic storms, to extreme temperatures, icing and precipitation. Airbus’ C295, which has been selected for the country’s Fixed-Wing Search and Rescue Program, is perfectly suited to these duties.

Canada’s no. 1 C295 is proceeding through its final assembly process, and once all assembly phases are finished – including painting and tests – the milestone aircraft will be inspected by authorities from the Spanish Ministry of Defence (DGAM), with its delivery scheduled for the end of 2019.

* Additional videos in the article;  the 3rd one (Consoles for the management of mission systems and sensors) shows how much headroom etc there is in the tube.
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Re: FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities
« Reply #1749 on: April 28, 2019, 14:26:13 »
You can really see the lack of headroom when they are fitting the consoles.