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Re: Question about award for Operation Attention
« Reply #350 on: November 30, 2011, 17:49:04 »
Does it meet the criteria of "in the presence of an armed enemy"?  I don't know.  (And I'm not trolling, I haven't a clue about navy operations in the Gulf)

I don't know, I have always been a bridesmaid never a bride for a Gulf trip (and that was when the SWASM was still being issued).  But what they have been issuing for the crews here from what I have seen is the GCS with SWA ribbon as of late.

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Re: Question about award for Operation Attention
« Reply #351 on: December 08, 2011, 17:56:33 »
So not meaning to throw a wrench into things, but our CO just informed us in a briefing that the Medal would be the GSM. Is something that is new for ROTO 1?

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Re: Question about award for Operation Attention
« Reply #352 on: December 08, 2011, 18:41:34 »
Was that something your CO got from the Tac Recce? Haven't heard anything about it in my sub-unit.

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Re: Question about award for Operation Attention
« Reply #353 on: December 08, 2011, 18:58:59 »
My apologies PuckChaser, I forgot to specify which CO. It was my home unit CO, not the Task Force CO. I don't believe anyone asked the Task Force CO during his brief.

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Re: Question about award for Operation Attention
« Reply #354 on: December 08, 2011, 20:24:49 »
So not meaning to throw a wrench into things, but our CO just informed us in a briefing that the Medal would be the GSM. Is something that is new for ROTO 1?
Of course, your CO knows the criteria for the GSM, right?
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The General Service Medal (GSM) is awarded to members of the CF and members of allied forces serving with the CF who deploy outside of Canada - but not necessarily into a theatre of operations - to provide direct support, on a full-time basis, to operations in the presence of an armed enemy.

The GCS, on the other hand:
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The General Campaign Star (GCS) is awarded to members of the Canadian Forces and members of allied forces working with the Canadian Forces who deploy into a defined theatre of operations to take part in operations in the presence of an armed enemy.

Note that it doesn't say "...take part in operations against an armed enemy".  I deployed to Kabul in 03 (May to August).  I never fired my weapon once in anger.  I heard one hostile explosion my whole time there (though there were more, but just one within earshot of me personally).  And Op Attention does, as far as I can tell, meet the same criteria as the GCS. 

In the absence of any substantive direction otherwise:
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Edit to add:

The following is specific to the GCS SWA:
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in the theatre of operations consisting of the political boundaries of Afghanistan, the Persian Gulf, the Gulf of Oman, the Gulf of Aden, the Red Sea, the Suez Canal and those parts of the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea that are west of sixty-eight degrees East longitude and north of five degrees South latitude, as well as the airspace above those areas for at least 30 cumulative days commencing on August 1, 2009, provided that the service has not been recognized by another service medal.

So, there I was....

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Afghanistan vets slam Canada’s military over failure to award service medal
« Reply #355 on: September 27, 2017, 06:41:36 »
Afghanistan vets slam Canada’s military over failure to award service medal

https://globalnews.ca/news/3760685/afghanistan-vets-slam-canadas-military-failure-award-service-medal/

Canadian soldiers who served in Afghanistan were supposed to receive service medals for their part in combatting terrorism.

But more than four years after the mission ended, that promise still hasn’t been honoured.

The medal is the South-West Asia Service Medal (SWASM), awarded to those who serve 90 days in direct support of operations against terrorism in Southwest Asia from Sept. 11, 2001 to July 31, 2009.

More on link above.
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Excellent.   ::)

Rather than sort out veterans' financial and health problems, the government is handed a golden opportunity to do what it does best -- focus on mindless photo ops while accomplishing virtually nothing.

A few thousand dollars can be spent ramping-up SWASM production, lots of politicians can get pictures taken shaking hands, and the government will repeatedly proclaim: "See? We support the vets; they asked for medals so we gave them more bling -- they must be perfectly content now!"

I'm actually surprised that those pushing for the gratuitous SWASM haven't mentioned the precedent of awarding the meaningless Peacekeeping medal... for having already received a peacekeeping deployment medal.


Way to focus on what's important, self-proclaimed veterans' talking heads.   :brickwall:

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Re: Afghan Medals Process (merged)
« Reply #357 on: September 27, 2017, 10:44:42 »
Funnily enough JM, the clown in the article has a CPSM along with his SFOR/IFOR NATO gong.  Someone did bring the CPSM up in the comments section about dual recognition.

So my real questions to this guy is this: Why is it your life's mission to inflate your already swollen head over something you're likely not entitled to?  If you did the time with OEF, so be it, you should get the gong; however, if you didn't, what makes you think you (or anyone else for that matter) should have another?  Do you wander around with your gongs on all the time hoping people will talk to you about them?  Does your GCS talk to you, saying it's lonely?  If you answer yes to either or both of the latter, you don't need a gong - you need therapy and meds...and to worry about something more important in life from our current excuse for a government.

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Re: Afghan Medals Process (merged)
« Reply #358 on: September 27, 2017, 11:22:32 »
The petitioner is quite wrong here. I was on the last OEF roto, and it was made quite clear to us that we would not qualify for the GCS. Likewise, it was no secret that the follow on missions would not qualify for the SWASM.
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Re: Afghan Medals Process (merged)
« Reply #359 on: September 27, 2017, 17:36:16 »
Afghanistan vets slam Canada’s military over failure to award service medal

https://globalnews.ca/news/3760685/afghanistan-vets-slam-canadas-military-failure-award-service-medal/

Canadian soldiers who served in Afghanistan were supposed to receive service medals for their part in combatting terrorism.

But more than four years after the mission ended, that promise still hasn’t been honoured.

The medal is the South-West Asia Service Medal (SWASM), awarded to those who serve 90 days in direct support of operations against terrorism in Southwest Asia from Sept. 11, 2001 to July 31, 2009.

More on link above.
The facts are all wrong.  At any given point in time, personnel earned credit toward either the SWASM or the GCS but never simultaneously to both.  There were several missions in Afghanistan, and each one earned recognition for one medal or the other.  There are a few cases (specifically in 2005 & 2006) were personnel transitioned from one mission to another mission during a single deployment and so earned two medals, but credit toward a rotation bar would have been reduced as compared to somebody who spent a full deployment on a GCS mission.

If the government retroactively awards a SWASM with Afghanistan bar to every individual who deployed in country that, then it will also owe a GCS, additional GCS rotation bars, or both to personnel who deployed on SWASM missions.

This proposal is ignorant and nonsensical. 

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Re: Afghan Medals Process (merged)
« Reply #360 on: September 27, 2017, 18:11:56 »
Agreed but l would like my ISAF bar back.

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Re: Afghan Medals Process (merged)
« Reply #361 on: September 29, 2017, 06:51:28 »
The petitioner is quite wrong here. I was on the last OEF roto, and it was made quite clear to us that we would not qualify for the GCS. Likewise, it was no secret that the follow on missions would not qualify for the SWASM.

Me too; it was made very clear to all of us there at the time.  Those of us who went in for 10 months (quite a few Loggies) were a little pissed to not be getting a roto numeral (common at the time for all other mission rotos) for our SWASM ... which finally became a roto bar for the GCS etc.  Some of them were even more pissed, then, when guys who came in after and then left before ended up being awarded SWASM and GCS when  they couldn't even get a roto bar. 

So, JM has his comments correct below - there's also pers who were involved in both who got only the SWASM and not the GCS.  It's supposed to be all about receiving the award for the mission and mandate under which you originally served and your time in situ began.
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