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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2010, 13:59:15 »
1. Does anyone know if Cl B reservists can rent on base lodging at CFB Esquimalt?

I believe so.  I know a married couple, both on Class B, who have a PMQ at Work Point.

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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2010, 21:28:41 »
Hi guys,

Thanks very much for the info thus far. I spoke with CFHA and as CFB Esquimalt PMQ's are already oversubscribed I, as a single member, cannot rent one as I could in say, WATC. I am wondering now, if anyone has info on single quarters on base, perhaps a point of contact?

Thanks again for all of the help.

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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2010, 21:44:19 »
You may end up in Nelles Block or Bernays. Go for Bernays if you can, less noisy and the rooms are in better shape.
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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2010, 23:43:24 »
Nelles and Bernays are more for temp quarters then for anything long term.
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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2010, 18:33:20 »
The houses at Rocky Point are small, not very nice and they are very isolated.  If traffic is good, it's at least a 35 minute drive to Esquimalt, but add another half hour to get past the "Colwood Crawl."  It's also worth noting that if we were building them today, they would not be there because in accordance with the current NATO standard, they are too close to the ammunition depot.
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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2010, 19:09:42 »
The houses at Rocky Point are small, not very nice and they are very isolated.  If traffic is good, it's at least a 35 minute drive to Esquimalt, but add another half hour to get past the "Colwood Crawl."  It's also worth noting that if we were building them today, they would be there because in accordance with the current NATO standard, they are too close to the ammunition depot.

I didn't know that it was in accordance with a NATO standard that we built our PMQs so close to our AMMO Depots.  Dundurn is another example. 
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PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2010, 11:51:53 »
Hello,

I have just completed a component transfer to the reg force navy as a naval communicator from the reserve army. I have been posted to CFFS Esquimalt as of May 5th. From reading some other threads about the naval communicator trade, I have come to the assumption that I will wait on PAT platoon for a few months.(although I have not been offically told)

My question is (assuming I will sit in PAT platoon for a bit) what can I expect? I am keeping my rank (now leading seaman) and also have my 404's, would those two things have any effect on my experience while in PAT platoon?

I apologize if this thread or any similar already exists, but I have not found it on this site.


Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2010, 13:02:57 »
Oops! Typo!  I meant to say that the PMQs at Rocky Point would NOT be there if we were building them today because their current location is too close to the ammunition depot (IAW the current NATO standard).  I've modified my original statement.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2010, 13:19:12 »
When you get there, talk to whoever is in charge and tell them what qualifications you have and ask if there is anywhere you can be constructively employed while awaiting training.  There are a few options in Esquimalt.  One that might be right up your alley would be the Transportable Tactical Communications Centre (TTCC).  This is part of Maritime Operations Group Four (MOG4) and is essentially an army type communications unit that works for the Navy.  You don't say what you did in the Army Reserve, but if you were a communicator, you may be well placed there.  Having a 404 will help.  Another option could be ORIOLE (if you like sailing).  ORIOLE is the Navy's sail training vessel.  Don't forget also that your period awaiting training is a good opportunity to get all your basic sailor courses out of the way.  We used to call it OSQAB, but they've changed the name.  It's where they teach you all about launnching boats, firefighting, damage control, sea survival, etc.  In short, they will have things to keep you busy for at least part of the time.  For the rest of it, you need to be proactive and influence how you're employed.  Always volunteer for the stuff you're willing to do before you get tasked with the crap that's left over.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2010, 14:00:28 »
Thank you,

Sorry, I am in the field artillery presently employed on the gun line as a detachment member. I do have my basic army communications course, so I could look into the TTCC. Mostly I would like to get as qualified as possible while I wait, qualifications never hurt to have lol.

Thanks for the info
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2010, 11:14:28 »
You could also volunteer for the Ship's Diver Course.  That's a favourite gap filler.  Lots of running and swimming though...
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2010, 21:51:31 »
Ok, thanks for the info. Looks like the best thing to do is look into my options once I arrive in May.

Thanks again
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Re: PMQs in Esquimalt
« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2010, 15:56:09 »
I spoke with CFHA and as CFB Esquimalt PMQ's are already oversubscribed I, as a single member, cannot rent one as I could in say, WATC.

Gents,

I'm getting posted to good ol' Esquimalt, and my significant other and I (soon to be fiance.. hopefully... just don't tell her that) are planning on moving in together. My question is, since we are not married I am still legally "single". Also, while she has pretty much lived at my house most of the year, she has her own place and we are thus not "common law". Will the CFHA take any of this into consideration when deciding whether or not I deserve a PMQ? Or will my legal status as single be the only consideration?

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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2010, 03:24:25 »
I did Port Security for 2 years while I was on PAT. Thats a pretty good place to work.

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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2010, 10:31:47 »
Port security would'nt be a bad go.

I have heard some horror stories from guys who did PAT platoon in the army; inspections, boot polishing parades, PT every morining sometimes during the day also, basically being treated like BMQ recruites. From what I have heard about Esquimalt it seems like that does not happen there, or am I wrong in saying that?
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2010, 11:51:47 »
You are not wrong in saying that.


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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2010, 15:55:04 »
treated (somewhat) like a recruit, but not to the extent of what you're talking about there (comparable to the army) i'm not so sure all that would happen to you in esquimalt

unless you were on birds (in ca-ca) maybe, but a couple inspections a week might happen, which would happen likely at any school teaching ql3.

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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2010, 12:06:05 »
Thanks for the heads up guys, much appreciated.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2010, 01:28:40 »
The OSQAB that Pusser is referring to is now called NETP, Naval Environmental Training Program. You attend a short course then finish up the training with an OJT onboard ship.

After your NETP, you might want to talk to your PAT boss and request to be TD'ed to a ship. You can finish up your NETP and get sailing experience. With any luck, you could tuck in some ports under your belt and be the envy of your future coursemates.

In virtue of your rank, you will be expected to show leadership. Don't think there picking on you because you are put in charge of a group of PATs. Take advantage of this... Ol' crusty chiefs will work for killicks that work hard and show leadership.

As far as inspections, you are in the Navy now. We tend to be more lenient on thing like that. But we do have them, so be up to snuff.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2010, 09:51:59 »
In virtue of your rank, you will be expected to show leadership. Don't think there picking on you because you are put in charge of a group of PATs. Take advantage of this... Ol' crusty chiefs will work for killicks that work hard and show leadership.

I half expected that I might be put in some sort of leadership position while in PAT. Honestly, bring it on. Anything that gets me noticed in a positive way, and furthers my career is welcomed.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2010, 21:59:39 »
What I meant to say is welcome to pat platoon.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #71 on: May 21, 2010, 09:26:42 »
That's some pretty negative commentary there Silverbirdtank.  I gather you've had some experience with this sort of thing?  It's always interesting to see that negative things often happen to negative people (but it's never their fault ^-^).  Security clearances do not suddenly appear and people are not instantly loaded and sent on course when they do.  In the process of approving a request for a dive course, the possibility of being loaded on an upcoming QL3 will be taken into account.  If there's a chance you will loaded on a QL3 that conflicts with the dive course in question, then dive course won't be approved.  It really is that simple.  In this life, it is often best to state your position, ask for what you want and then let the chips fall where they may.  The one surefire way to not get what you want is to never ask for it.  The bottom line for PATs is to ask for what you want.  You just might get it.  As for inspections, as long as you show up on time and in the correct dress, life is pretty easy.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2010, 19:16:32 »
I realize my post came across as negative and it wasn't meant to be so much negative as cynical or a form of amusement. My remarks were taken very personally by some and that is very regretable.

I know my comment is no longer there for reference but I said basicly the same thing you have said there Pusser and that is that a PAT can not go on any course that will run for a duration that would overlap the beginning of a 3's course in case of the event that sec clearance came in and the individual was on a secondary course.

This is very simple and I never stated it was difficult but was showing and yes in a cynical/negative way that this would mean, next to no possibilities for any NAV COMM pat to participate in the Dive course in question or many others.

I myself was fortunate enough to spend this last week on a base security course as well as being a demo platoon for a pilot naval boarding part combat first aid training. I enjoyed my time with both these taskings immensely and that is the truth.

So in closing i'd like to state I enjoy my time here a lot and that I never meant any ill regard towards the system in place because it is an essential step in becoming a NAV COMM. I personally enjoy my position as a NAV COMM pat and my opinion is far to cynical for the reality of the situation.



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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2010, 09:34:12 »
... It really is that simple.  In this life, it is often best to state your position, ask for what you want and then let the chips fall where they may.  The one surefire way to not get what you want is to never ask for it.  ...

 :cheers: Well said.
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Re: PAT platoon in Esquimalt
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2010, 16:22:36 »
Can someone give an example of a day for Pat platoon in Esquimalt? Hours etc... I should be there in 3 weeks and expected to spend quite a bit of time in PAT, I need Top Secret... I am hoping to live off-base with my common law, that does not seem to be a problem from what I heard so far... :salute: