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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #450 on: April 20, 2010, 08:02:59 »
Just a quick note on the Air Force side, assuming you are AF by your name and location  ;D.

If you are aircrew in the future, you must wear them next to skin under your dual layers IAW 1 CAD Flying Orders (can't remember which one off the top of my head) and in the interest of not having para-cord or plastic tubing melt into your skin in the event of fire, you might want to ask your Flight Surgeon or med staff about an alternative solution.  The folks at CFSSAT will tell you that on AMT as well.  They even show you a neat video of an Apache pilot that got brewed up after a fuel spill, and you'll likely not want to have paracord around your neck after you see the results.

But until you are flying/if you are flying, the paracord idea is a great one, I've used it for years now.  The paracord also might help your hair (depending on how long it is) from getting wrapped up around the chain and stuff too.
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #451 on: April 20, 2010, 21:22:42 »
Thanks for the advice :D

Although I am airforce I am not flight crew, so dont need to worry about that aspect.

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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #452 on: April 20, 2010, 22:19:13 »
Just my opinion, but unless you have been ordered to wear them, don't.  I haven't seen mine since I graduated from Cornwallis in 84.   No, that's a lie.  I got a new set when we switch to Service Numbers vice SIN.  Either way they're in a box with the other set somewhere.   :)

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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #453 on: April 20, 2010, 22:28:31 »
Ignoring all the sarcastic replies from people who've obviously never experienced a metals allergy, I too am allergic to my id discs. Specificly, the nickel content in the chain (The id disc itself seems to be nickel free, aluminium if I remember right). Produces a rather nasty eczema rash.

To those making the sarcastic replies, nickel allergies are very real, and not hazardous in any way, just extremely irritating... typically results from direct skin contact with nickel containing metals, for an extended period (If I wear a watch containing nickel, it will produce rash within 20 minutes...). I purchased a titanium watch a while back, which happened to be all titanium with the exception of a few tiny exposed screws... even these produced a nasty rash by the end of the day... all titanium watch now... works great.

To be quite honest, I've solved the problem by just not bothering to wear them. They're around the house somewhere. I had a length of paracord around them with the chain run through the core for the longest time, with the ends of the paracord melted shut, but the ends opened up resulting in a nasty rash on the back of my neck, the ends were then too short to melt back together, and I couldn't be bothered going through the trouble of finding more paracord (hard to get these days). I have no operational need to wear them right now, so I couldn't be bothered.

That being said, if anyone is interested, I looked into the cost of nickel free bead chain... identical in size and appearance to the issued ones, just nickel free.... it's cheap, maybe $1-2 per length, unfortunately, only available in quantities of 100 chains.  Since it's come up, and there's clearly other people beside myself with nickel allergies, if anyone is interested, I'll order the full quantity, and send it out at cost plus the price of a stamp. (With regards to whoever said it was "special metals" they're full of it. It's just regular out steel bead chain, same as what holds on to your bath plug.)

(Side note: http://www.nonickel.com/ is a good source for nickel free belt buckles, etc, I've ordered a few things from them, no more rash on my stomach, hooray!)

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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #454 on: April 21, 2010, 11:57:17 »
Thanks !

GLad to know I am not the only person that has this allergy  :D

I'm hoping I can just throw them in a drawer after basic.. lol.
I wasn't sure about that. I know in my dad's time, he had to have his on at all times. But i'm sure things have changed in 16 years lol.

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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #455 on: April 21, 2010, 12:03:14 »

I'm hoping I can just throw them in a drawer after basic.. lol.
I wasn't sure about that. I know in my dad's time, he had to have his on at all times. But i'm sure things have changed in 16 years lol.

It all depends on your unit and your chain of command.  I have had some that don't care and others that on coy parade would order everyone to pull out their dog tags.  So my advise is don't throw them in a drawer keep them in your wallet or someplace handy as you never know when you need them.
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #456 on: April 21, 2010, 12:34:04 »
Sheesh, whatever happened to keeping them in the back pouch of your respirator carrier with your DT-60 attached?
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #457 on: April 21, 2010, 14:48:26 »
Sheesh, whatever happened to keeping them in the back pouch of your respirator carrier with your DT-60 attached?

I still have a set like that! ;D
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #458 on: April 21, 2010, 15:26:31 »
I still have a set like that! ;D

Me too. A couple of years ago, our CO asked to see our dog tags just before we departed on a BFT work-up ... I was the only one who had mine ... pulling them out of my gas mask carrier to present to him; "WTF is that black thing?" he asks. LOL.
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #459 on: April 21, 2010, 15:46:12 »
Me too. A couple of years ago, our CO asked to see our dog tags just before we departed on a BFT work-up ... I was the only one who had mine ... pulling them out of my gas mask carrier to present to him; "WTF is that black thing?" he asks. LOL.

Shouldn't this be in the "you're past your prime  when....." thread?

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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #460 on: April 21, 2010, 15:54:44 »
Shouldn't this be in the "you're past your prime  when....." thread?

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Well no because he was so worried about "what the black thing was" that he never noticed that my discs also had my SIN number on them ...  ;D

I am NOT old - even though I was old enough to have possibly been a babysitter who changed his diaper a few short years ago.  ;D
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #461 on: April 22, 2010, 18:17:52 »
... also had my SIN number ...

Social insurance number number?  ;)
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Re: Allergic to Dog Tags
« Reply #462 on: April 22, 2010, 19:28:04 »
Forget your fibre tabs today  ;)?

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Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #463 on: January 05, 2011, 15:30:48 »
when i join as reservist, i would like to know that are we allowed more then one canadian dog tags?
im asking because i saw Supply Sergent selling canadian styled dog tags, i would like to get a pair if i some how lost it or broke the other half and replace it with the bought one or can i get a new one issued? and will i get the option to get it stamped on the new one?
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Re: Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #464 on: January 05, 2011, 15:35:45 »
You will get issued one with the required information on it. If you should lose it, it can be replaced through the CF.

You dont need to be buying one anywhere and you dont need an information stamped on it that isnt on the CF issued one. The information the CF puts on there is all thats required. Any more than that is a security problem.

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Re: Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #465 on: January 05, 2011, 16:06:36 »
Like Aviator said, you will get issued a pair.  If you go on a tour you will get a second pair issued.  No need to buy your own as the CF supplies them and the replacements. 

And no, the CF will not be upset if you buy your own from a company like Supply Sgt or CP Gear. However, if you get your own done, unless they read like the CF ones(ie same info, in the same place, etc) do not wear them on course, work, etc.

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Re: Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #466 on: January 06, 2011, 00:00:27 »
On a slightly different note, fight the urge that most newbies have to wear their identity "discs" as if they were jewelry.  It's not nearly as cool as you think it is.   :nod:

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Re: Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #467 on: January 06, 2011, 00:28:20 »
Mine stay in a drawer unless I'm deployed.

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At my Unit (Reserves), we had a Sgt / RSM that would do the odd spot check to see if the mbrs had their ID discs and ID card... if you didn't produce them, submit a memo on "why you should not be charged".

Then you look around the corner in garrison and see Sr NCMs and officers with shoddy boots, wrinkled uniforms, threads everywhere or not wearing their beret outdoors.... go figure.

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Re: Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #468 on: January 06, 2011, 00:43:07 »
Double standard
At my Unit (Reserves), we had a Sgt / RSM that would do the odd spot check to see if the mbrs had their ID discs and ID card... if you didn't produce them, submit a memo on "why you should not be charged".

Then you look around the corner in garrison and see Sr NCMs and officers with shoddy boots, wrinkled uniforms, threads everywhere or not wearing their beret outdoors.... go figure.

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Re: Dog tag (or ID tags), more then one?
« Reply #469 on: January 06, 2011, 01:29:08 »
Double standard
At my Unit (Reserves), we had a Sgt / RSM that would do the odd spot check to see if the mbrs had their ID discs and ID card... if you didn't produce them, submit a memo on "why you should not be charged".


Last time I checked, not having your i-card on your person was a chargeable offence but not having your dogtags ???
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CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #470 on: February 13, 2011, 01:30:42 »
Anyone have a softcopy of CFAO 26-4 handy?  I'm trying to gather a list of the abbreviations of all the religions that appear on Cdn ID discs.

It seems that the official CFAOs aren't available online (http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/cfa-oaf/index-eng.asp).   I've searched the forums for CFAO 26-4 but all I can find is an old list (below).  I think there must be a newer version somewhere since I know many individuals with religion abbreviation not included in the list below. 

...Or is this now contained in the DAODs somewhere?

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3.     The religious denomination of the member will be abbreviated as follows:

Anglican ........................... ACC
Atheist, Agnostic, or no religion .. NRE
Baptist ............................ BAPT
Christian Science .................. CS
Greek Catholic ..................... GC
Greek Orthodox ..................... GO
Jewish ............................. JEW
Latter-Day Saints .................. LDS
Lutheran ........................... LUTH
Muslim ............................. MUS
New Apostolic Church ............... NAC
Other Protestant Denomination ...... OPD
Pentecostal ........................ PENT
Presbyterian ....................... PRES
Roman Catholic ..................... RC
Salvation Army ..................... SA
Unitarian Universalist ............. UNI
United Church ...................... UCC
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #471 on: February 13, 2011, 01:57:55 »
This is an excellent resource - Religions in Canada - http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pub/rc/index-eng.asp

As is this one:  Chaplains Manual - http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/cfcb-bsafc/pub/doc/acm-maft-eng.pdf
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #472 on: February 13, 2011, 02:06:03 »
@Simian - Yes, thanks.  I saw that list as well while browsing... it's much longer than the one I have earlier in this thread but it doesn't include the abbreviations and I do not believe it is a comprehensive list (for ID disc purposes).   For instance, my denomination on my tags doesn't appear on that list...

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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #473 on: February 13, 2011, 08:13:52 »
I found two sites, but they have the same list as you have.

http://www.cadethqcanada.com/history.php

http://www.ppo-canada.ca/military/tags.htm#8
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Re: CFAO 26-4: ID disc religion
« Reply #474 on: February 13, 2011, 08:23:43 »
anjp - You have to remember that the abbreviations have to be easy to understand, which means they have to represent the most common religions that the CF has dealt with up to this point.  For example, if someone were Shinto and had something like SHIN on their tags, how many people would know what that meant?
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