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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2004, 18:22:37 »
It's a sign of the times when we are discussing what religion to put on tags so our captors may be less likely to kill us based on religion.   Whatever happened to the geneva convention? :(  I guess that's just the enemy we're up against. :cam:

Also, why do you need a religion on your id tags?

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2004, 18:49:50 »
so they can respect your religious burial rights
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2004, 19:54:07 »
scm77, first off, religion is put on identity disc as is it is prescribed in CFAO 26-4,

http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/026-04_e.asp

in Accordance with the requirements to wear them by the Geneva Convention.

In Addition, having the religion on them aids in the CO's responsibility in "arranging for a chaplain of the appropriate religious denomination to ascertain the wishes of the NOK concerning religious services", as dexcribed in Annex F of CFAO 24-5, FUNERALS, BURIALS AND GRAVES REGISTRATION.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/024-05_e.asp


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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2004, 20:19:34 »
As much as I only go to church for weddings and funerals, I have the religion in which I was baptised on my tags. Always have and always will. Not that I agree with the politics surrounding my baptised faith, but thats just how it is.

In this new war against terrorism, our enemy simply wants you dead becauses of where you are from, and that is the west. Even muslims who support the west are also on the receiving end of the firing line.

Recently an Australian citizen of Iraqi origin who returned to Iraq as a muslim cleric was infact taken hostage, and a ransom of $A40,000 was paid. he was beaten and then released. All because he produced an Australian passport when captured.

Being a Canadian isnt going to protect you in that neck of the woods, nor is wearing a blue beret. We are all targets there.

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2004, 20:27:23 »
"MUS"

I'm not sure what'd happen to me?!

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2004, 20:48:34 »
On a side note....what do they do for those of Pagan or Wiccan faiths? What is etched into their ID discs?
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2004, 20:53:59 »
http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/026-04_e.asp


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3.     The religious denomination of the member will be abbreviated as
follows:

Anglican ........................... ACC
Atheist, Agnostic, or no religion .. NRE
Baptist ............................ BAPT
Christian Science .................. CS
Greek Catholic ..................... GC
Greek Orthodox ..................... GO
Jewish ............................. JEW
Latter-Day Saints .................. LDS
Lutheran ........................... LUTH
Muslim ............................. MUS
New Apostolic Church ............... NAC
Other Protestant Denomination ...... OPD
Pentecostal ........................ PENT
Presbyterian ....................... PRES
Roman Catholic ..................... RC
Salvation Army ..................... SA
Unitarian Universalist ............. UNI
United Church ...................... UCC

4.     A member claiming a religious affiliation other than those shown above
will be classified Other Denomination (OD).


I guess they'd be OD

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2004, 21:08:21 »
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On a side note....what do they do for those of Pagan or Wiccan faiths? What is etched into their ID discs?

Hadn't thought of that before. Might be interesting to find out how many members of the forces fall under OD, and what groups would be included in that. The CFAO pretty much covers every organized religious group
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2004, 21:32:08 »
Well if you say OD, you can pretty much cover everything.

It'd be interesting if they actually had to come up with abbreviations for every religion.
Snake Handlers
Seventh Day Adventists
Zoroastanism
Bahai

Man..it could go on.

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2004, 21:47:39 »
I didn't realise that the Salvation Army counted as a religious group, I thought of them as a volunteer orgaization that happened to have religious affilations.

 out of curoisty, what do Canadian ID tags look like?  I've only seen American ones through pop culture. 

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2004, 21:55:13 »
Oh the salvation army is most certainly a religious group, a large one. They have ranks, where the officers are ministers etc.
Initially they were started by a Mormon(?) minister in London, waging war on poverty, I believe.
I've got a close friend whose father is an officer in the Salvation Army, their structure and hierarchy is actually kind of neat, you should take a look at it.
They've got really good marching bands too.

And CDN id tags:
http://safetytags.com/photo.php?type=product&size=norm&photoId=32
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2004, 21:57:12 »
Here's a pic of my tags, I blocked out the service number and name for obvious reasons.

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2004, 22:05:52 »
I would put RC for Roman Catholic.

It is our job to let the infidels decide what to put ont THEIR dog tags in case WE capture them.

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2004, 22:40:04 »
This is, indeed, a hot topic. As one poster pointed out, the real purpose of the religious notation on the ID disc is to ensure proper spiritual care when unable to speak   and, ultimately, handling of remains. It's a purely individual question, based on how you trade off care of your spiritual issues against the possibility of being tortured or killed for your religious faith. But, the tone of some of the posts here warns us how uncomfortable many Canadians are with the idea of faith.


While typical WASP, middle class Canadians with a liberal, middle of the road upbringing are generally quite happy to either have no religious beliefs to speak of, or to compartmentalize their "religion" into something they put into a box and take out for Christmas/Easter/etc ("CREASTERS" some chaplains call them...), an increasing number of Canadians today come from cultural backgrounds in which faith is an integral part of their life and informs everything they do. It instructs their code of morality, their concept of justice, and perhaps even their attitude towards war. This includes, in particular, Muslims and non-European Catholics. IMHO if this is not what your faith does, why bother?

I am an Anglican (not really a "Protestant" but in fact a kind of "Lost Catholic") but my wife is a devout RC. Although I am a rather wretched excuse for a Christian, in our 21 years of marriage I have attended Catholic churches with my family all over this country (and in the US). They are almost always full, and to an increasing extent the congregations are made up of   new Canadians. Now, going to church does not, IMHO, make you a Christian, but I argue for a strong correlation between attendance and faith.

Anyway, in the end, your faith is your business, but let's not belittle the power and importance of anybody's beliefs, especially for those of us who must face the dangers and spiritual/moral challenges of our profession of arms.   And that old saying "There are no atheists in foxholes" has been repeated over and over by soldiers for a couple of generations now, so there may just be something to it. Cheers.
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2004, 22:42:27 »
Sally Ann is certainly NOT Mormon. It's possibly Methodist in origin. The Mormons originated in the US, and believe that Christ came to the Americas after the Ressurection. The Book of Mormon is an interesting read, though unlike the Bible, there is not a shred of corroboratiing historical record.

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2004, 22:50:18 »
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Sally Ann is certainly NOT Mormon. It's possibly Methodist in origin. The Mormons originated in the US, and believe that Christ came to the Americas after the Ressurection.

Right you are, got my M's mmm-ixed up.
I was debating whether it was Mormon or Methodist..
Alright i'm going to research this and come back with a good answer.

Edit: William Booth (the founder) was a former methodist who found his calling preaching to the degenerates of Londons poorest regions when he realized that the worshippers at Westminster and St Paul's didn't bloody well want them stinking up their beautiful abbeys.
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2004, 00:12:50 »
I got SR written on mine. What the hell is SR?

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2004, 01:20:08 »
Maybee you shouldnt worry about what your tags say because these days its not your religion that will save you, its the country you represent :cdn: :cdn: :cdn:
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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2004, 06:15:32 »
They also say Cdn Forces on your tags, but I doubt that would save you in some cases.

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Re: Identity Disc Religion: What would you put down?
« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2004, 08:33:03 »
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Maybee you shouldnt worry about what your tags say because these days its not your religion that will save you, its the country you represent

Some people may say it IS their religion that will save them. Either way, It can be an issue. It's a members personal decision as what they are putting there, and ultimately, how does he/she want to be cared for in the event that funeral arrangement are required. And believe me, if you're taken in places like Afghanistan, representing Canada won't save you
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« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2004, 11:43:23 »
Hey, I heard a rumor that the chain on the dog tags are supposed to break if you are getting strangled by them. Does anyone know about this? I always thought that they would be a hazard in the field. Thanks.

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Re: dog tags
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2004, 11:49:19 »
I dont know if they were designed specifically for that but yes the chain on the dog tags do come apart if pulled on hard enough...
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Re: dog tags
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2004, 11:58:00 »
On the subject of dog tags. Why is the issuing of them so screwed up (for the reserves). I've been in a year, and filled out the paperwork twice and have yet to receive them... yet a buddy of mine got them after 2 weeks of being in.

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Re: dog tags
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2004, 12:05:44 »
Check with your OR...sounds like the paper work wasn't pushed past the "out" basket.
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Re: dog tags
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2004, 12:42:53 »
Well it is very case by case, they dont do a run of them unless there are enough to do, so they may be waiting for more to do a run. Just a thought