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291 R? Will it happen?
« on: February 26, 2005, 14:33:57 »
What are everyone's thoughts on introduction of the Comm Rsrch trade into the Reserves?

Will it happen? Stand up will be soon if signed off on, and how will it affect the Comm Res?

also, how many people in the comm res in different trades do you think will sign up for the OT?
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2005, 15:32:17 »
        One of the main problems I see is the security clearance for a Res 291, this is not a 1 or 2
month wait it could take up to a year and will the Res Pers be turned off by the wait.


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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2005, 23:18:46 »
           One of the main problems I see is the security clearance for a Res 291, this is not a 1 or 2
month wait it could take up to a year and will the Res Pers be turned off by the wait.

I have one guy who has been waiting for 2 years for an update.  I just submitted mine again for update but will have to wait and see.  Last time it took 6 mos.
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2005, 14:34:28 »
The big problem will be with any of the special clearances. I've been waiting a year or more now, the backlog is huge. Hopefully some R291 won't bump me back down the list!

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2005, 18:50:57 »
I know one thing they're looking at is getting senior NCM 291's to come work in the Comm Res units that will be setting up 291 dets until we can establish some experience in new r291's, think they'red be a lot of people on board for that?
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2005, 20:34:36 »
As far as R291 is concerned, they've already started it.  The first people to be R291ers are ex-Reg Force 291ers, most of whom retired and simply transferred over to the Reserves.  I just simply can't see a need for 291 dets in all the Reserve Comm Sqn's.  The only possible thing they could do is EW, and we don't have nearly the amount of EW equipment necessary to equip all the Sqns.  We could certainly use the people here in Leitrim, but the main thing is getting them trained and cleared.  The 3's package is like 45 weeks, not many reservists can take that kind of time off.  I'm sure they could scale it down but its a lot of material to cover in a short period of time.  My clearance took 6 months, and yes, there is a huge backlog, the priorities are people getting deployed and 291er QL3 students (they need it to complete the second half of the course). 
As far as the senior NCM's coming to work in Comm Res units.......highly highly doubtful.  We don't have that many senior NCM's in the trade to begin with.  Plus in 06/07 approx 25-30% of our trade is due to get out.  And unless a Comm Res unit has a working SCIF or EW equipment, I can't see there being a need for any 291ers there.  I would suspect that if they ever do post 291ers to the Reserve units, it will either be Cpl/MCpl's, or those who have just retired/transferred to the reserves. 

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2005, 20:56:10 »
They will make it work at any cost.

Maybe make a total force type unit ie: 1st Air Defence Regiment. (Lanark and Renfrew Scottish) RCA or simply have a res platoon attached to a unit like 2 EW and use there infrastructure.

Agree with security clearances and training. SIGINT trained pers expensive.

It would take a full time commitment on the R291ers Pte, to get there. I could possibly see them on a QL-3 291 (reg) course.

Hopefully some of the older 291ers will join up and pass on there experience.
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2005, 01:32:29 »
Agree with you totally Crow
They have the Res EW Sqn in Kingston that works with 2EW.....maybe they'll expand it out.  I've heard that they made all the ex-215ers there at Res EW now R291ers, but can't verify that the info is correct just yet. 
I personally would like to see a healthy R291 trade, it would definitely take a lot of dedication to become an R291er, but well worth the effort in the long run.  I suspect that a lot of them may want to component transfer to the Regs afterwards.
I could see them putting R291's on a Reg Force course, the only problem being that the courses run at CFSCE are so fluid, there is not a definite set time for the course length, because the start of the second portion depends on the amount of people who have gotten their clearances....in other words, not enough clearances, they'll wait until there are enough.  This can be a sh*tty deal as CFSCE is not exactly the happiest place on Earth  ;D

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2005, 02:01:39 »
I was in Res EW for 5 years in the mid 90's.  In that time, we probably had about a dozen reg force pers "retire" into the reserves and start to parade with us.  Only a couple of them lasted more than a year.  Whatever they were looking for after their time in the regs, they didn't find it with us.  (The ones that did last were huge assets to the squadron.)

Populating a knowledgable core of the R291 trade with ex-reg force pers sounds like a very dubious strategy to me.  There will definitely be some attrition, and it might be to catastrophic levels.  It's pretty hard to hold your core together when more than half of your team walks out.

As for the length of training, experience with POET shows that it is exceedingly difficult to get a reservist on a year long training course.  By necessity, the R291 QL3 will be shorter, more concentrated, and miss many PO's that are on the reg force course.  Reservists in the sigs and int worlds have to focus on smaller parts of the trade to be effective.  R215 concentrates on combat net radio, while their counterparts in the regt play a lot more with microwave, satellite, etc.  R111 similarly ignores many aspects of the trade that 111's have more time to work on.

R291 training will be similarly focused.  If not, the only people in the trade will be reg force retirees, and reservists who wish to work class B for the rest of their career.  This is a very small pool of people to draw on, and I don't think it would make for a healthy trade.
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2005, 08:35:11 »
I think that the reason alot of ex-291 people didn't stick around is because they had to become R214, and do the training. I was res back in the early - mid 90's and we had a retired 291 guy join our unit, the unit wouldn't make any effort to help him get his 3's written off, he couldn't take time to do the training, so he left. He was pretty switched on too.

The R291 trade will work, because they are not implementing it everywhere. From what I have heard (from someone who was at the briefing at 763) there will be 40 positions at 763 and 80 or so at Res EW (has a new name now? 77 something?) There will also be linguist dets in Vancouver, TO, Halifax and maybe Winnipeg.  Things are starting 1 April, people who are interested (R215) will be interviewed by PSEL officers over the summer.

Apparently the courses are already worked out, the 3's course will be done in two installments over 2 years. There are enough young university age students who can take the time to do these courses, that it will work. Some people will be able to get equivilancies. For example, the people at Res EW who have all of the various courses, will probably be exempted from having to do the training.

It will work....

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2005, 19:41:47 »
I think it will work.  They will make the training go over a two year period to ensure reg force compatibility and bring in old 291ers to make it work.

I think it is a good idea.
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2005, 20:48:46 »
2 years in training systems...............that's a awful long time to being doing intensive theory.

The trend seems lately to have quantity vice quality people.

I hope they do not lower any standards to fill positions to make it work.
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2005, 21:49:12 »
I think things are changing with the courses now anyway, the morse code is not so intense anymore, for example..

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2005, 22:20:18 »
Can u imagine a whole unit of R291 GD as everybody awaits trg and the processing of security clearances?

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2005, 23:34:27 »
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I just simply can't see a need for 291 dets in all the Reserve Comm Sqn's

As far as I know, only 4 or 5 of the Units will have 291 Det's. I know they want to get 40 people in 291 here in the Ottawa Regiment over the next few years.

a lot of 215's here are considering doing the OT. Even having to go back and do the 3s over 2 summers
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2005, 18:57:19 »
Well it gives them an opertunity for spec pay!!!
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2005, 19:21:25 »
No spec pay for them.

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2005, 19:32:51 »
don't reserves get equivalent pay and allowances based on MOC?
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2005, 21:24:34 »
I'm a bit out of the loop as far as res pay issues, its all changed since I was a res. I've got solid info from someone who was at the briefing here in Ottawa and they were told, no spec pay.

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2005, 07:29:29 »
No spec pay for them.
Res 291ers don't get spec pay?  I know the guys in the regs do.  I would be supprised if they wouldn't give it to reservists.
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2005, 11:23:43 »
is going to be purple w/ reserves augmenting Trinty/Athena/Ships CDSE teams etc.....or just Army CIO??
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2005, 11:47:30 »
I was at the briefing here in Ottawa, and from the top guy in the ComRes, no Spec Pay for R291. The 291 dets will be set up in about 5 units, ResEW and Ottawa being 2 of them, I think Montreal,Vancouver and Halifax being the others. I think the Idea is to Supplement for Reg 291's away on postings
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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2005, 17:42:29 »
The dets in the other cities (other than Ottawa and Kingston) are going to be linguists only AFAIK.

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2005, 18:40:04 »
Crow - I doubt that the reservists will augment the CDSE and SSE dets in Halifax and Victoria, but hey, stranger things have happened...there seems to be plenty of willing people to get posted to either coast though.

Never got the brief on R291, but I would be interested in knowing how they plan to go about keeping the linguist dets...they will have to be natural linguists I would suspect, as most language courses take about 2 years.  It will definitely take some dedicated individuals, because there will be a considerable amount of QL3 training to take, and as we all know, the clearances can take forever.  Personally, I welcome the idea of R291ers augmenting the regs, we seem to be getting more and more deployments these days. 

As for the spec pay issue, it has changed now, we don`t immediately receive spec pay when you receive your Cpl`s, you get your spec pay when you complete your QL5.  Don`t know if they are planning on having the same sort of thing for the reservists.

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Re: 291 R? Will it happen?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2005, 18:43:54 »
I hear today that they are going to start hiring R291 on April 1st, 2005.