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Offline Zipper

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Re: Arty to assume the DFS role?
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2005, 12:25:08 »
Zipper, the CF is not going with the LAV MGS, TUA and MMEV because of cost.
They are going with an all wheeled force because of deployment issues and they want they assets to move around rapidly. Tanks don't move rapidly from one city to another.

Huh??? ???

The LAV MGS, TUA, and MMEV ARE wheeled? Hence the LAV part. The Strats moving to a DFS unit (whatever the hell that is) are slated to use just those vehicles. Which is the whole argument from my side.

Unless there has been another announcement say that we are no longer considering them?

As for changing roles and tasks. I am well aware of that. Yes it has taken me some time to come around to such thinking, but I have. That is why I have referred to some of the other threads which talk about the use of Cavalry and light Infantry units. All of them are combined arms regiments.

Is the regimental system going to die. I don't think so.

Are they going to be made into these combined arms units, but keep their names? That is what I think most likely.

Which is why I referred mainly to one of the more accepted ideas (around here) of the Infantry moving towards a totally light tasking with all the other arms adding their capabilities within the unit. Same with Cavalry. The Armoured units would move towards this tasking using LAVs and having all the other arms included within the same beret or cap badge.

The Infantry/Armoured/Arty Corps would still exist, but mainly as a means of working through there various schools to train each of the components of an all arms regiment.

Will any of this actually happen? I don't know. And I doubt it.

NDHQ works in its own way.

If anything, they are still stuck in a cold war mentality with the idea of keeping the Infantry mounted as Mech Inf. Mech Inf cannot work properly if they do not have Tank support. Thus get rid of Mech Inf and move all the vehicles to a more rapid Cavalry idea. Make the infantry into Light so they can rapidly respond to any mission. (like the RM, Rangers, etc...)

If anything, they are still stuck in a cold war mentality with this DFS idea. The MGS is NOT an tank. So it cannot move, fire, and support like one. Yet what are they doing with their 4 MGS/2 TUA/2 MMEV idea? Moving like a tank. As well with only 1 regiment tasked, they are basically taking them out of the ability to be deployed.

If anything, they are still stuck in a cold war mentality with the idea that we need so many Armoured Recce units. Why? Every unit is capably of doing recce, and calling in fire missions with the ISTAR. You don't need 6 or more squadrons of armoured recce to support your other units, since we vary rarely deploy anything larger then a battle group. As well, with all your militia regiments going recce, and since we increasingly use the militia. Just plug a squadron of militia Gwagons into your formation and your covered.

Also on this topic and covering the Cavalry idea. Since we have lost the Tank, and thus any kind of true bite we had, we need to reconfigure our forces to gain some of that back. Thus the Cav. If you go and read the Light vs Medium thread, you'll see that is just what is being discussed. And fully deployable in a sustainable manner and capable of supporting the other elements within our own forces and well as out.

But I say again. Will any of this happen? I doubt it. NDHQ has its own agenda.
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Re: Arty to assume the DFS role?
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2005, 12:44:29 »
I do agree with you on NDHQ being stuck on cold war however give General Hillier a year or two there to shake some sense into them (That would be a miracle in its self).

I don't agree with the idea of concentrating the DFS system all in one regt (No logic). I beleive they should divide up the DFS assetts between each armoured regt and that would give each of these regts a DFS Squadron.

I will ease off on the trigger as far blasting you for cold war thinking. From reading what you posted it seems as though your thinking transformation rather than blasting away on the front in Germany (old school)

I am embracing the MGS. Why ??? WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD I DO THAT ??? Because we have to. We have to learn what this weapon is capable of and what its limitations are and employ it as such. The question should not be "Should we purchase the MGS". That decision has already been made, like it or not. Its being forced on us therefore we must make it work.

As long as we don't use MBT tactics.

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Re: Arty to assume the DFS role?
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2005, 12:57:41 »
Now we agree for the most part! ;D

Hee hee

I wonder about our vaunted CDS in that he seems to be fully behind the DFS unit. We'll see.

I agree that we have to work with what we're getting. I still think the MGS is a load of crap, and may still be axed by the States. If that happens, then I have no idea what will happen.

If you read the Light vs Medium thread. I incorporated the MGS (2) into each of what I would like to see as a Cavalry troop. This brings a large amount of firepower to use within each troop as support (they would be behind by 1 or more bounds) and thus give each Cavalry troop the hitting power somehwat similiar to the old tank troops. Along with TOW on the turrests of the LAV III's and the dismounts, this would give each troop alot of hitting power and still keep the mobility high. As well with each of the LAV III's able to tie into the ISTAR, and a troop of Gwagons out front locating targets quietly, fire support can be called in from either the Arty boys or air support.

This formation is still able to engage reasonably heavy opposition, but able to patrol, scout, screen, etc...
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