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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #550 on: March 22, 2008, 10:49:21 »
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=de3f8e90-982a-47af-8e5e-a1366fd5d6cc

Hows that for you?2006 good enough?Or is that too passe for you?

What is the difference between hardline Muslims and normal praticing Muslims?

Oh stuff like going to Afghanistan to fight,working here in Canada and sending money to terrorist groups disguised as humanitarian fund's.Running training camps for terrorist north of Toronto.Bringing in extremest Imam's to speak to your congregation from Saudi Arabia and England....

Do you need more examples or can you surf the net and watch the media yourself>?

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/priorities/terrorism.asp
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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #551 on: March 22, 2008, 10:55:25 »
sgf,
Slippery slope is not a logical argument, so you might want another angle if that is your intent.  You know that people in this thread are referring specifically to individuals who it has been determined are most likely actively supporting terrorist (or anti-coalition) activities.  These individual still deserve their due process (which some have advocated against), so maybe you want to set your aim there.

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« Reply #552 on: March 22, 2008, 11:09:55 »
what hardline Muslims and how do you tell the diffrence between a hardline and a regular Muslim Canadian in
Canada? Have their been any reports about their activities against this country, say in the last two years?

The arrests outside Toronto in Sept 06, thats the first one that comes to mind

I think we need open dialog with the hardline Muslims in this country.Maybe give them their own province.


Having children opened my eyes to many things.And when are we as Canadians going to do something about it?When were the minority?Good luck then.Islamic religious schools in Scarborough...

We will leave a Country to our children that WE HAVE MADE.


Also on the little Khadr kid.Everytime I hear about the poor little 15 yr old on the news they show the poor little guy's school picture smiling.How about showing the picture of him hooking land mines up as IED's?Or the video still with him and his cute little AK.

Canadians will walk around Parliament to protect these peoples rights,yet when their put into OUR communities no one protests?Why do we let people like this feel at home?Maybe we should start airing be-headings on CTV evening news.As most Canadians have their head so far up their *** they have never sat and watched a man choke out his last few breaths.His only crime being driving a humanitarian truck in an Islamic country full of terrorist.

Maybe next time some one is petitioning on Parliament we can bring up some mothers of the soldiers killed by Khadr.

This subject vexes me very much.Almost as much as the average"I don't care till it's too late"Canadians.

And now that my neck vein is pumping I have to laugh.....

the spell check tries to change Khadr to Jihad.....coincidence>?


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One of the reasons we should take the US approch (An American first, or get the F*** out).  You don't see to many people using the US as a country of convenience

Well my personal views are that they should be treated as they treat others (ie. like the people they capture beheaded, and left to rot in a ditch).  But thats just my personal views, that I am entitled to as a Canadian Citizen  :salute: :cdn:
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« Reply #553 on: March 22, 2008, 16:38:14 »
I read the quote about the arrests, but what about convictions? How long are the sentences these people have received?

 I also beg to differ about the States being used as a country of convenience, seems they have their own issues with illegal immigrants who are cross the Mexican border at will.

 I dont doubt that there are many muslims that raise money and sent home, just like.. hmm lets see.. maybe irish immigrants who raised money for the IRA but I didnt hear a large outcry over that.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #554 on: March 22, 2008, 16:40:34 »
I dont doubt that there are many muslims that raise money and sent home, just like.. hmm lets see.. maybe irish immigrants who raised money for the IRA but I didnt hear a large outcry over that.

I don't think the site was up and running at the time of the Irish Troubles, however I stand to be corrected....

Terrorists are terrorists, regardless what t-shirt they wear sgf.

Try as you might, you can't pidgeon hole anywone for being anti-muslim,

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #555 on: March 22, 2008, 16:59:18 »
I dont doubt that there are many muslims that raise money and sent home, just like.. hmm lets see.. maybe irish immigrants who raised money for the IRA but I didnt hear a large outcry over that.

One can find whatever they wish on the internet. Even old newspaper articles (where, during the IRA heyday -- the outcry occured) from the 70s/80s/90s decrying the funding of the IRA by immigrants & business fronts in North America. You just need to search for them, instead of pretending that "outcry" didn't exists simply because the "outcry" didn't occur during the internet era.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #556 on: March 24, 2008, 18:51:12 »
I don't doubt that there are many Muslims that raise money and sent home, just like.. hmm lets see.. maybe Irish immigrants who raised money for the IRA but I didn't hear a large outcry over that.

No?Maybe type "IRA Canada" into Google.Here is a good comparison actually.

Khadr family:
-mother quoted saying "We are an Al Qaeda family."

-Father arrest by Pakistani authorities in 1995 for siphoning off HCI funds to pay for an Al Qaeda terrorist operation

-Wife Maha Elsamnah took her then 14-year-old son Omar from Canada to Pakistan in 2001 and enrolled him for Al Qaeda training.

-Daughter Zaynab, 23, was engaged to one terrorist and married, with Osama bin Laden himself present at the nuptials, a Qaeda member in 1999. Zaynab endorses the 9/11 atrocities and hopes her infant daughter will die fighting Americans.
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Son Abdullah, 22, is a Qaeda fugitive constantly on the move to elude capture. Canadian intelligence states he ran a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan during the Taliban period, something Abdullah denies.

-Son Omar, 17, stands accused of hurling a grenade in July 2002, killing an American medic in Afghanistan. Omar lost sight in one eye in the fighting and is now a U.S. detainee in Guantánamo.

-Son Abdul Karim, 14, half-paralyzed by wounds sustained in the October 2003 shoot-out that left his father dead, is presently prisoner in a Pakistani hospital.

SO what does Canada do?
-On April 9, 2004, (brother)Khadr and his mother returned to Canada, flying from Islamabad, Pakistan, to Toronto.

Yet if you look here:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/05/26/ira-pei.html

Former IRA member turned back at the border
Last Updated: Friday, May 26, 2006 | 11:38 PM ET
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A former member of the Irish Republican Army was sent back to Ireland this week while en route to Fort Augustus, P.E.I., for Irish heritage celebrations.
Pat Treanor, the mayor of County Monaghan in Ireland, had been to Canada twice in the past year. But when he flew into St. John's on Wednesday, border security officials asked him whether he had a record.
He told them he was convicted once — for being a member of the IRA. He was refused admittance to Canada and sent back home.
"I'm disappointed and I would like to be part of the celebrations on Prince Edward Island," he told CBC News in an interview from his hometown.
But he expects he'll get this travel problem straightened out. "I do believe it was just some kind of a ****-up at the airport, seeing that I got in twice before. I will be meeting with the Canadian ambassador and I'm fairly confident we'll resolve whatever difficulties there are there."
The IRA officially ended its armed struggle against British rule in July 2005.
Treanor said he was a member for a few years in the 1970s, but that he's never committed any crime. He remains a member of Sinn Fein, the IRA's political wing.
The Canada Border Services Agency won't talk about the case. But spokeswoman Jennifer Morrison said people can be turned away for a number of reasons, such as having a criminal record or belonging to a terrorist group.
Treanor was travelling with three other members of the Monaghan county council, who were able to continue on to Fort Augustus.

So SGF yes Canada also takes a hard (I say HARDER)stance on other terrorist.The Khadr mother who said "We are an Al Qaeda family" gets to live here....yet an ex IRA terrorist is turned away.So yet another hole in your poorly argued,poorly researched, and trolling point of view.


P.S Can you please start using spell check,as it takes longer for other members to correct your work than their own when quoting you.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #557 on: March 24, 2008, 20:11:14 »
I dont doubt that there are many muslims that raise money and sent home, just like.. hmm lets see.. maybe irish immigrants who raised money for the IRA but I didnt hear a large outcry over that.
Ignoring the accuracy or inaccuracy of your statement, this is a wholly irrelevant argument.  The Canadian response to IRA funding in Canada neither validates nor invalidates arguments about what we should be doing today in response to terrorist supporters in Canada.  Appeal to hypocrisy is not a logical argument.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #558 on: March 24, 2008, 20:16:09 »
I dunno, I've never made any secret here of my feelings on that topic.  try this:

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Just going to hit the nest with a stick here.  The "Global War On Terrorism" is a misnomer.  If it were indeed a global effort, the Brits would have had a free hand to invade the Republic of Ireland and hunt down the IRA.  "We will root out terrorists and destroy them wherever they are, well, at least the brown ones that don't get funding from half the population of Boston and New York, anyway."


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I dont doubt that there are many muslims that raise money and sent home, just like.. hmm lets see.. maybe irish immigrants who raised money for the IRA but I didnt hear a large outcry over that.
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« Reply #559 on: March 25, 2008, 17:28:40 »
There was an interview with Sean Fine today in the Globe and Mail, which had a lot of interesting questions and answers going back and forth..

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080320.wlivekhadr0325/BNStory/specialComment/home

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #560 on: March 25, 2008, 18:43:07 »
That article is along your view point for sure.
However what I don't understand with his view is he keeps repeating the poor kid is 15 years old and don't deserve the punishment.

Yet as he is held by Americans and committed the act/acts on American troops,should he not be treated as any other 15 year old American?

Here's an example of a 14 yr old who killed his teacher.What did that land him?28 years adult prison.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/07/27/brazill.sentencing/

So Khadr commits terrorism,kill's soldier and works at targeting coalition troops....and guys like this and yourself SGF want to bring them home?

We have young guys joining the Reserves at 16...so does this mean their not responsible for their actions?

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« Reply #561 on: March 25, 2008, 19:15:47 »
It hasnt been proven that he has killed anyone yet. I havent said that he should return to Canada so dont attempt to put words in my mouth. I am not sure what exactly should happen to him but I am waiting until after the trial and see what is that outcome. I am just putting forth another idea to the case, thats all.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #562 on: March 26, 2008, 08:29:41 »
It hasnt been proven that he has killed anyone yet.
Agreed.  He was, however, there, in a combat zone, with persons fighting against our allies.  IMHO, if/when he returns to Canada, he should face treason charges.
So, there I was....

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #563 on: March 26, 2008, 08:35:29 »
Is it only me, or is anyone else upset that the media have down played this over the past year or two.  It wasn't just a soldier that was killed; it was a Medic going to the aid of another wounded soldier.  To me that carries a lot more weight than "a soldier".
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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #564 on: March 26, 2008, 17:06:31 »
Agreed.  He was, however, there, in a combat zone, with persons fighting against our allies.  IMHO, if/when he returns to Canada, he should face treason charges.
I agree whole heartedly.  You don't go join the other side in a war against your home nation & its allies, and if you do then expect the consequences.

It wasn't just a soldier that was killed; it was a Medic going to the aid of another wounded soldier.  To me that carries a lot more weight than "a soldier".
Was he wearing the red cross?  It makes a difference legally if the medic was visibly identifiable in his role or not.

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« Reply #565 on: March 26, 2008, 18:21:36 »
I agree whole heartedly.  You don't go join the other side in a war against your home nation & its allies, and if you do then expect the consequences.
Was he wearing the red cross?  It makes a difference legally if the medic was visibly identifiable in his role or not.

1. What if he is a dual national?  What is the situation then if both your nations are fighting each other and you pick one? This ain't just about Khadr now, how many millions of Canadian 'duals' would fight for old country against Canada like the "Kamloops Kid" did in WW2? The answer may be disturbing.

2.  If you throw a grenade at the rough direction of the enemy and one of the enemy hit was a medic, was that a crime?  Nope.  You are not targetting a medic, you are targetting the enemy.  The medic happens to be one of them.  Do I NOT call arty on a group of 100 enemy in the woods because I figure in one hundred enemy there is probably at least one medic? My answer follows:

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #566 on: March 26, 2008, 18:25:10 »
1. What if he is a dual national?  What is the situation then if both your nations are fighting each other and you pick one? This ain't just about Khadr now, how many millions of Canadian 'duals' would fight for old country against Canada like the "Kamloops Kid" did in WW2? The answer may be disturbing.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #567 on: March 26, 2008, 19:04:07 »
1. What if he is a dual national?  What is the situation then if both your nations are fighting each other and you pick one? This ain't just about Khadr now, how many millions of Canadian 'duals' would fight for old country against Canada like the "Kamloops Kid" did in WW2? The answer may be disturbing.

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It may help get rid of those that use there Canadian Citizenship as a insurance policy.
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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #568 on: March 26, 2008, 19:44:40 »
I've just returned from the funeral for Sgt. Jason Boyes in Shilo. By all accounts, from his peers and superiors, he was a fine soldier, husband, father and son. May he rest in peace.
When I read on this forum that certain individuals who use this means as a platform for their anti military, anti war "peace at all costs" views, it makes me very angry, and sad that fellow Canadians do not, or refuse to understand the mindset of the enemy we MUST fight.
Then, I remember we are fighting for our freedom of expression, religion, association and all the other freedoms we take for granted. I may not agree with your point of view, but I'll vigourously defend that right to freedom of expression. Do not expect me to be kind or understanding when I disagree. I think most soldiers will agree with me
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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #569 on: March 26, 2008, 21:21:13 »
All I know it makes me sick to know a poor Canadian family has these people for neighbours.

Why do an Al Qaida family DESERVE to live in our country?Isn't that like have lice,getting rid of them and saving one to place on your head....because you only want to get rid of the ones that bit you?Well guess what Canada that louse will bite.Guaranteed.

I am a huge fan of human rights,I'm also a huge fan of looking at terrorist scum through barbed wire and cement.
Maybe it's time to turn up heat on these people INCLUDING their family's.Maybe we have to start taking mommy Khadr into a dark room and finding out what she knows.Let's face,my wife can tell the difference between a T-54 and a T-62,she knows the gist of what is going on at my work place.So does Mrs Khadr within the terrorist ring.

Ship her off as well.

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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #570 on: March 26, 2008, 21:32:24 »
I vehemently disagree with sending the entire family off.  Remember that blood is thicker than water, and yes, they may have said things or whatever, but the sins of the father do not pass on to the entire family. 
Your wife may be able to tell the difference between a T-54 and a T-62, but mine doesn't.  And she's been an army wife for going on 12 years now.  Heck, she doesn't even know the rank structure, and she doesn't really care.  Nor should she.
Unless Mrs. Khadr does something illegal, let her be.  Live and let live.
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« Reply #571 on: March 26, 2008, 21:49:13 »
I vehemently disagree with sending the entire family off.  Remember that blood is thicker than water, and yes, they may have said things or whatever, but the sins of the father do not pass on to the entire family. 
Your wife may be able to tell the difference between a T-54 and a T-62, but mine doesn't.  And she's been an army wife for going on 12 years now.  Heck, she doesn't even know the rank structure, and she doesn't really care.  Nor should she.
Unless Mrs. Khadr does something illegal, let her be.  Live and let live.
As Old Soldeuer said:

I do see your point of view.
However ;D
If your wife was living with you in the field,on ex Royal Fist(ing) with you...I'm sure she would have an excellent understanding of what was going on,who was in charge,future op's etc.
Let's face it if every day you came back to camp sat around a fire and chatted about killing infidels with the family,what the main goals were,who wanted to get what done....
Not to mention the wife rumour mill's,sitting around base camp all day washing clothes tending to the children I'm sure they were talking about stuff that they had heard their wonderful spouses talk about.

In a family where every child,and her husband was/is a terrorist,add in no television,and a sand hut it slowly goes back to old days in North America.What else do you have to talk about?Britney spears drug addiction or breakdown has proably not reached them yet.

It's kinda hard to leave work at work when your house is a IED factory in a terrorist camp.


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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #572 on: March 26, 2008, 21:56:42 »
Is having knowledge of the crime before it happens akin to conspiracy to those who are going to commit it?

She would have extensive knowledge of her husbands activities.  Now of course with no proof she's
technically able to live happily anywhere she pleases. 
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« Reply #573 on: March 28, 2008, 03:41:25 »
I vehemently disagree with sending the entire family off.  Remember that blood is thicker than water, and yes, they may have said things or whatever, but the sins of the father do not pass on to the entire family. 
Your wife may be able to tell the difference between a T-54 and a T-62, but mine doesn't.  And she's been an army wife for going on 12 years now.  Heck, she doesn't even know the rank structure, and she doesn't really care.  Nor should she.
Unless Mrs. Khadr does something illegal, let her be.  Live and let live.
As Old Soldeuer said:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/timeline.html

Their entire family is all sorts of ****ed up.

What makes me angry, is that after one of them killing a Canadian soldier with in a suicide bombing, they bring another little crap rat for treatment after a "firefight". I wonder who it was "firefighting" against. wink wink nudge nudge


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Re: The Khadr Thread
« Reply #574 on: March 28, 2008, 19:19:37 »
What makes me angry, is that after one of them killing a Canadian soldier with in a suicide bombing, they bring another little crap rat for treatment after a "firefight". I wonder who it was "firefighting" against. wink wink nudge nudge
Huh?

Which Khadr killed a Canadian soldier?
I must have been away & asleep when this happened - when did it happen?
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