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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #350 on: May 23, 2009, 10:18:51 »
Let's put it this way. We could consider the army like a world police. When overseas you get more money for danger toughness bla bla. When in garrison some trades are home pretty early while others work late. Does everybody deserve the same pay? CANSOF deserve that allowance NO DOUBT. They have it for the pager and the sacrifice of going left and right when ever they are needed. REG forces salary? CPL makes grossly anywhere from 52k to 56k I think. Is it enough? Of course I can say know we always want more. I think we should make as much as police officers. But now..is the army in arms way everyday?!?!? It's yes and no. Same debate as infanteer and a postal overseas with the same allowance?!?! It's a never ending story. Let's just love what we do regardless and be proud to be in the CF and Canadian!

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #351 on: May 27, 2009, 19:44:55 »
I am new to this website and army recruit (hopeful).

I am in complete agreement with tripflar3. I feel a soldier should make as much as a police officer, and maybe a little less. But once a mission in foreign, or possible unsafe territories comes about; I feel the danger pay should be increased quite a bit.

I am in no way complaining about the pay structure as it stands, but I definitely feel that our serving members overseas deserve a little more positive recognition, even if that recognition comes in a monetary form.

Enough said.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #352 on: May 27, 2009, 20:02:20 »
Seeing how you have never served a day in the CF as of yet do you really think you are qualified to say derserve less or more then such and such?
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #353 on: May 27, 2009, 20:35:51 »
No most definitely do not, but serves as an opinion. That being said, there was no mention of "deserving" less. They deserve every penny they get, the emphasis was on increasing the pay when a dangerous mission is called upon them.

I am a civilian, I have family that are police officers and I also have family members who have served. With this in mind, I made an opinion.

An opinion is not wrong regardless if it is misinformed or not, it is an opinion. I value our soldiers very much, and is also the reason why I am joining.

To sum it up; "I" feel that our troops overseas risking there lives should have a wage increase, even if that means I have to lose a small amount of money while at home.

Once again. Opinion.

I'm not trying to belittle anybody I was just making a statement, which I never figured would be ridiculed. "Give our troops more money" he says... and go figure I'm flamed for it.

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« Reply #354 on: May 27, 2009, 20:53:32 »

To sum it up; "I" feel that our troops overseas risking there lives should have a wage increase, even if that means I have to lose a small amount of money while at home.

I'm glad you are willing to give up some of your money. I'm not. I put my *** on the line in some pretty dangerous work when i fly from home base. I wouldnt mind keeping my pay. The SOF guys getting more, i'm all for that.



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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #355 on: May 27, 2009, 20:57:17 »
I'm glad you are willing to give up some of your money. I'm not. I put my *** on the line in some pretty dangerous work when i fly from home base. I wouldnt mind keeping my pay. The SOF guys getting more, i'm all for that.





I was using that as a basis which to start upon. But there is no reason why there should be other government jobs which aren't physically or mentally dangerous to be paid as much as they are, and our soldier elite are getting scrutinized for a pay increase.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #356 on: May 27, 2009, 21:08:26 »
No most definitely do not, but serves as an opinion. That being said, there was no mention of "deserving" less. They deserve every penny they get, the emphasis was on increasing the pay when a dangerous mission is called upon them.

I am a civilian, I have family that are police officers and I also have family members who have served. With this in mind, I made an opinion.

An opinion is not wrong regardless if it is misinformed or not, it is an opinion. I value our soldiers very much, and is also the reason why I am joining.

To sum it up; "I" feel that our troops overseas risking there lives should have a wage increase, even if that means I have to lose a small amount of money while at home.

Once again. Opinion.

I'm not trying to belittle anybody I was just making a statement, which I never figured would be ridiculed. "Give our troops more money" he says... and go figure I'm flamed for it.

I'm not giving up my few allowances just so I or someone else can get paid more for the (relatively, compared to an entire career) short time spent overseas.

The system we have now works just fine (IMHO, there needs to be a reality check with PLD rates but other then that...).

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #357 on: June 20, 2009, 16:42:57 »
i have done a few searches for specialist pay trying to find what occupations are considered for spec pay.  I have found the criteria for how they determine if spec pay wil be payed and a couple example occupations.

does anybody know of a comprehensive list of jobs that are included in the spec pay table either spec 1 or spec 2

I searched both Google.ca and came up with this page

and the main fourm with no real answers
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #358 on: June 20, 2009, 17:19:48 »
i have done a few searches for specialist pay trying to find what occupations are considered for spec pay.  I have found the criteria for how they determine if spec pay wil be payed and a couple example occupations.

does anybody know of a comprehensive list of jobs that are included in the spec pay table either spec 1 or spec 2

I searched both Google.ca and came up with this page

and the main fourm with no real answers

It's right there on your second link - it contains a link called "Occupation Trade Group Update - Active Occupations" - which leads to an Excel spreadsheet which lists every trade in the CF and their allocation to Std/Spec1/Spec2 pay fields.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #359 on: June 20, 2009, 18:59:29 »
It's also here by rank (not job) in the pay tables.  Keep in mind, to receive spec pay, some trades have a training requirement (e.g. QL5 or whatever), some have a rank requirement and some have both.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #360 on: June 28, 2009, 12:47:16 »
Hello,

Just wondering if an Inf Officer can do trades or jobs that are entitled to spec pay?

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #361 on: June 28, 2009, 12:53:24 »
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #362 on: June 28, 2009, 13:05:38 »
Let's assume that the original poster doesn't mean "spec pay" in its restrictive sense as an official term.

Infantry officers are eligible for various allowances dependent on training and employment such as the Paratroop allowance and the Special Operations Allowance.

CBI Chapter 205 - Allowances for officers and non-commissioned members

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #363 on: June 28, 2009, 14:29:29 »
Thanks for that reply.

I was looking at the pay tables for NCM's and it seems that there are various pay incentive rates that if the NCM's was to receive that "spec pay" (please forgive if I am not clear on term, I'm still a civilian) they could actually get paid more then an officer could at least until the officer reaches captain rank.

Am I correct in thinking this? What recommendations or advice could you give me in regards to the earning maximum pay as a new officer in combat arms. What jobs training etc. should I be seeking as am hope to gain entry as an Inf Officer.

No, my motivation for joining is NOT money but I in mid 30's and have a family so I wish to be wise in my trade selection and career path.

Thank you kindly.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #364 on: June 28, 2009, 14:35:17 »
Combat arms officers are paid on the scale for General Service Officers.  That scale can be supplemented by the allowances identified in the CBI linked above as eligibility through qualifications and experience dictates. There's no simple way to increase those pay levels.

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Boatswain and spec pay?
« Reply #365 on: July 19, 2009, 19:47:44 »
Hi I am going tomorrow morning to enlist in the CF for the Navy with the hopes of becoming a Boatswain.

My question is, is there any type of training or anything that can be done to be qualified for spec pay?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

** I did try to search but found nothing regarding boatswain and spec pay.
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Re: Boatswain and spec pay?
« Reply #366 on: July 19, 2009, 20:15:00 »
Bosn's do not receive "Spec pay" ...

There ARE several other benefits above and beyond basic pay that you may receive in the future once qualified such as sea pay, possibly dangerous duty pay etc ... (and some others that MAY Possibly become benefits in the future i.e. Boarding Party Qual if they ever get around to granting it) but these are far in to your future and not worth worrying about yet.
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Re: Boatswain and spec pay?
« Reply #367 on: July 19, 2009, 20:16:50 »
According to website below, Boatswains get standard pay.  A trade is either designated as Spec pay or not.  There is no training that will get you Spec pay if the trade is not designated for it.

Note:  The Excel spreadsheet must be downloaded from the link.

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Re: Boatswain and spec pay?
« Reply #368 on: July 19, 2009, 20:36:42 »
Thanks a bunch guys that link was great should be stickied somewhere. The spec pay won't change my decision at all I was just curious.

Thanks again.

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Re: Boatswain and spec pay?
« Reply #369 on: July 19, 2009, 20:39:55 »
As the topic of SPEC PAY has been covered in depth already:


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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #370 on: September 10, 2009, 12:28:17 »
Sorry to bring this Narcothread back, but the rumor mill is going stronger than ever. Ans still there is never smoke without fire, the latest rumor is that it's been approved by TB and should take effect early next year. As anyone else heard info regarding that, or is it just wishfull thinking again?

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #371 on: September 10, 2009, 12:45:24 »
Any changes to compensation will be formally announced and promulgated.  Watch the DPPD intranet site; I'm sure if things do change, there will be soemthing there.

However, just because senior people may have been consulted does nto mean that any change has been made.  Many reviews and consultations are done that do not meet the needed standard to introduce changes; don't hold your breath and don't start spending anything.
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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #372 on: September 10, 2009, 19:45:40 »
Until you're formally told through your CoC, don't hold your breath or spend any money.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #373 on: September 10, 2009, 21:21:57 »
Ans still there is never smoke without fire, the latest rumor is that it's been approved by TB and should take effect early next year. As anyone else heard info regarding that, or is it just wishfull thinking again?

You are, unfortunately, confusing smoke with pure hot air. The last in May, direct from the Chief is that the TB is NOT considering it this year.
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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #374 on: December 02, 2009, 00:12:30 »
Got this e-mail the other day through the CoC from the Branch Chief (English version only):

Subject:   Spec Pay Udate - Mise a jour paye du spécialiste

BILINGUAL TEXT / TEXTE BILINGUE

Good day all,

During my visits to the various H Svcs units over the past year, I have often mentioned to the troops the submission for Specialist pay for the Med Tech 00334-1 MOS ID. Since the original submission early 2009 there have been some very positive developments with the submission, and I would like to provide you with an update on this issue.

Director Pay Policy Development (DPPD) recently advised Director Health Services Personnel ( D H Svcs Pers) that the evaluation of our submission has resulted in the determination that the Med Tech 00334-1 occupation has met the criteria for Specialist Pay level 1. However there is a caveat to this decision and the actual implementation of Specialist Pay for our folks. Since the submission for Spec pay included the AEC component of the QL5A course, DPPD has indicated that Spec Pay will only be implemented once we have attained the point of having 50% of our QL5 Med Techs qualified with the AEC component. This is certainly a great motivating factor for us to place a high priority on course loading for the AEC component.

We will hopefully meet the target of having 50% of our Med Techs qualified AEC by sometime late in 2010. This is a very positive development and I feel that it is a confirmation of the high level of training provided to our Med Techs and their continuing devotion to professional development and the provision of high quality health care to CF members.

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