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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #400 on: November 24, 2010, 16:23:04 »
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That's not really answering the question, but I guess the impression is...nobody knows?

If I may try again, whatever has been accomplished thus far, could this initiative still get shut down, or is it a formality of meeting qualified pers percentage now? (Okay, I'll say it...'in an ideal world' hehe-I guess ultimately ANYTHING could get shut down for whatever reasons right?)

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #401 on: November 24, 2010, 17:32:22 »
Actually it is answering the question - it's just not the answer you want to hear.  The people that are in the know aren't telling anyone anything until it's certain one way or the other.  This issue has been ongoing since I got in 22+ years ago and sometime before that even.  It's not something that's likely going to happen even in the one year since that message came out from the Branch Chief.  This could be shut down in a heart beat and they'd have to start all over again like they do every year - all depends on whether all the "I's" are dotted, "T's" crossed and there are pennies in the piggy bank...and even then, the TB may come up with some new criteria they have to prove to them that the trade is deserving of spec pay. 

To reiterate - you'll know when the rest of us know.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #402 on: November 28, 2010, 11:10:48 »
... The people that are in the know aren't telling anyone anything until it's certain one way or the other.  This issue has been ongoing since I got in 22+ years ago and sometime before that even.  It's not something that's likely going to happen even in the one year since that message came out from the Branch Chief.  This could be shut down in a heart beat and they'd have to start all over again like they do every year - all depends on whether all the "I's" are dotted, "T's" crossed and there are pennies in the piggy bank...and even then, the TB may come up with some new criteria they have to prove to them that the trade is deserving of spec pay.......
ahhh., now that answers it beautifully.  Thank you so much.

I got this impression essentially from all the 'seasoned' folk.  The younger mbrs seem understandably a little more bedazzled that it's a surething as of now...22year eh...ouch.  Would it be fair to say that with what you've said in mind however, that currently it's progressed as close to it has ever before?

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Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #403 on: January 03, 2011, 22:27:28 »
Is there spec pay currently for Naval communications?

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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #404 on: January 03, 2011, 22:46:13 »
Nope, and they complain about it. :piper:

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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #405 on: January 03, 2011, 23:25:38 »
It's been evaluated several times over the years, and the answer has always been no.  Personally, I don't see that changing anytime soon.

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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #406 on: January 04, 2011, 07:17:19 »
If you are interested in Communications, have you thought about NET (C) MOSID 00117? This MOC is a SPEC trade.
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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #407 on: January 04, 2011, 15:49:07 »
Nope, and they complain about it. :piper:

Can't say I blame those who complain, IMHO, the only ones complaining should be the ones who were in before the Ops room got their spec pay.

It bothers me when I hear some new guy complaining about how the Navcomm's don't get Spec pay.   

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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #408 on: January 04, 2011, 16:18:51 »
Here's the test for spec pay....

Can this person quit tommorow and find a job making a barrel more civi side with only his military training?

If yes, then ask the next question.

Does the military give a damn if they (Collectively referring to that trade) go?

If yes, then spec pay is awarded.

Realistically has very little to do with "specialization".

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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #409 on: January 04, 2011, 16:34:49 »
There's quite a bit more to it than that, a lot has to do with training days required to qualify someone.

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Re: Navy communications, spec pay?
« Reply #410 on: January 07, 2011, 09:27:16 »
There is a lot involved and there is a lengthy thread (Specialist [Spec] Pay Superthread- All Trades- Merged) in the Military Administration section.

Normally most trades undergo a review every 5 years or when there is major re-structuring of the trade. Quite a lengthly process from my understanding speaking with my MOC Manager.
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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #411 on: January 19, 2011, 21:46:41 »
The Most recent answer on this is that the trade requires 325 Med Techs to be AEC Qualified, the last count sent from Branch and the CM to our unit was that we are sitting at about 210 Med Techs qualified.

It is up to the members to push to go on the AEC course and the units to support, I know with Op Tempo and all this can be difficult but this will be a good move for the trade

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #412 on: January 19, 2011, 22:03:26 »
Yeah, numbers are climbing. The Chief previously thought the trade would be good to go for this Apr, but now he is thinking the trade should hit its numbers around end year.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #413 on: March 16, 2011, 18:27:02 »
Hi there,
I searched the website for an answer, couldnt find it, so here it is:

Im currently in the Canadian Forces (Army) and my contract is up in a year. I am having second thoughts on resigning. I like the trade but not enough to stay in for 25 years. Im posted in Edmonton, which is fairly close to my home town of Vancouver. I would like to find a different CF trade that is either closer to home (Esquimalt), or a trade where I am actually working towards something more positive and useful (Sorry to all who think being an armoured crewman is a great trade).

Problem:
The recruiting website does not have spec pay jobs posted on their website, which is what is probably gonna drive my OT the most, and calling the recruitment centre as a CF member just gets me redirected to my VPSO (who I will talk to after my field ex).

I am hoping to get an answer from you guys about what trades have spec pay in any element, and if there is any Navy trades out there that you can only have in BC.

I just think theres more to the CF than sweeping floors every day.

Thanks for your time

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #414 on: March 16, 2011, 18:38:51 »
This info is already on the site, but  I am unable to link to the thread right now.   Info is from 2005.

From a post by garb811:

Spec 1

Aerospace Control Operator - Radar Control
Aircraft Structures Technician
Airborne Electronic Sensor Operator
Aerospace Telecommunications & Information Systems Technician
Aerospace Telecommunications & Information Systems Technician
Aviation Systems Technician
Biomedical Electronics Technologist
Clearance Diver
Communications Research
Electrical Technician
Fire Control Systems Technician
Flight Engineer - Junior
Geomatics Technician
Hull Technician
Helicopter Shipborne Sensor Operations
Land Communications & Information Systems Technician
Marine Engineering Technician
Medical Technician - AEROMED
Medical Technician - OR
Medical Technician - PA
Medical Technician - Preventive Medicine
Medical Laboratory Technologist
Military Police
Maritime Patrol Sensor Operator
Medical Radiation technologist
Naval Combat Information Operator
Non Destructive Testing Technologist - Junior
Naval Electronics Technician (Acoustic)
Naval Electronics Technician (Communications)
Naval Electronics Technician      ( Manager)
Naval Electronics Technician (Tactical)
Naval Electronic Sensor Operator
Naval Weapons Technician
Tactical Acoustic Sensor Operator

Spec 2

Flight Engineer
Marine Engineering Artificer
Non Destructive Testing Technologist
Search and Rescue Technician


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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #416 on: March 16, 2011, 18:51:10 »
Yeah that list looks accurate. Keep in mind there's a few of those listed that are essentially sub-specialties of trades, in which you already have to be in that trade before you can go for the training that will eventually get you spec pay (and even that some trades only grant spec at particular ranks) Hopefully someone with more info can chime in, but that's just an FYI. Oh, and a few of the trades in there E.g. LCIS tech (and now even NET and NWT?) are undergoing transformations as a part of trade amalgamations. So who knows exactly how it will turn out...

« Last Edit: March 16, 2011, 18:56:54 by Spectrum »

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #417 on: March 16, 2011, 19:02:04 »
Thanks for all the quick replies they're all very helpful, please keep em coming.
Does anyone know if (any) of the trades posted are given in Esquimalt only?

thanks again.

p.s. that link is from 2008

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #418 on: March 16, 2011, 19:13:12 »
Does anyone know if (any) of the trades posted are given in Esquimalt only?

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and if there is any Navy trades out there that you can only have in BC.


None of them.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #419 on: March 16, 2011, 19:16:45 »
Helicopter Shipborne Sensor Operations
Maritime Patrol Sensor Operator

These 2 trades do not exist in the regular force. They are Pres divisions of AES Op.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #420 on: March 16, 2011, 19:27:07 »
Thanks for the clarification CDN Aviator.  I simply copy and pasted from garb811's post from 2005, but I later found the actual link and XLS file which I posted afterwards - which I believe has more accurate information.   :)

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #421 on: March 16, 2011, 19:28:08 »
Interesting, always thought Sonar Op's got spec pay.  I always thought spec pay was defined basically by whether there is a civilian equivalent to the job, I guess that was VERY wrong!

They do get spec pay, but only at the QL5 level and above.

And spec pay is FAR more complicated than simply whether there is a civilian equivalent to the job or not.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #422 on: March 16, 2011, 19:30:51 »
Stacked, the reason why you didnt see Sonar Op on the spec pay list is because it is old and has it under one of its former names "

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #423 on: March 16, 2011, 19:38:42 »
Here's an even more up to date list, effective 1 April 2010.
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/pub/cbi-dra/204-eng.asp
Look for "TABLE A TO CBI 204.30 - ALLOCATION OF MOSID TO SPECIALIST TRADE GROUPS" about halfway down the page.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #424 on: March 18, 2011, 00:19:02 »
There are no navy trades that are west coast only (sandy bottom sailing is not a trade ;D).  The best you could hope for would be to request a navy trade and then ask for Esquimalt as your "Home Port Division."  An HPD West would keep you in Esquimalt for the bulk of your career (with the exception of postings to Ottawa - no one is exempted those -, RSS in western Canadian Naval Reserve units, CFRC or CFLRS staff, etc.).  You also need to be careful as some navy trades (especially the smaller ones) do not have  HPDs, which means you can be posted back and forth from coast to coast.
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