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Court Martial discussion (merged)
« on: March 26, 2005, 01:41:37 »
Hey guys,

Just a quick question PURELY out of curiousity of a CF hopefull.  I presume when you are sworn in you officially become part of the CF.  And that also entitles you to military law.  Now if your a reserve, where is the boundaries of being court-martialed?  To rephrase, does the RCMP or city police detain a CF reserve until MP's arrive?  Is every law enforced by the military on a reserve member?  I think Ive asked too many questions in a row, lol, but I am a little confused if a drunk in public charge all the way up to murder would be enforced by Military Police, and what would the city police do with you?

Thank you very much for answering these uncommon questions and Im sure I would learn them when and if I am accepted, I just cant seem to find an answer anywhere else and its bugging me!!

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Re: curious about court-martial
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2005, 02:43:59 »
Generally speaking, the civil authorities will process you (unless for some reason, it would suit all party better for the Military to handle it).  As a reservist you're subject to the Code of Service discipline, basically only when being paid by DND or when on DND property (including DND leased or borrowed property).  That being said, remember the CF ID Card, is not a get out jail free card.  If something happens, when on civie street, regardless of the out come, you are obligated to let your chain of command know.  Small things have a nasty way of creeping back and biting people in the a$$.  It's best if your chain is aware of it, to head off any major problems before they arise.
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Re: curious about court-martial
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2005, 01:51:46 »
Wait until your basic, you'll learn all about court Martials and such, everything you need to know about them.

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Re: curious about court-martial
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2005, 02:04:21 »
When I was arrested by the civilian police once upon a time, the local military police were informed as a matter of courtesy, and I was questioned seperately by members of the SIU on a related matter.  The two organizations do work closely with each other, which is in all our best interests I think.
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Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2005, 01:00:03 »
I remember there was a location on the din or the jag website where you could look at the court martial transcripts. Would anyone have the link, I had it for the longest time and Ive lost it.

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2005, 01:05:03 »
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2005, 01:30:40 »
I think it is a closed site - I can get on the transcripts at work - but not at home -- I think it is DIN only (or I am dumb and cant find it tonight)
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2005, 11:59:35 »
I double checked at work - I found it here.

I will get CFL or another to check a link from home and we will confirm wherever or nit is tis DWAN/DIN only...
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2005, 13:54:22 »
CFL thats the site that i have been looking over with no success

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2005, 23:25:12 »
I checked the site over and there was no transcripts on it :'(

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2005, 00:06:02 »
http://cmj.mil.ca/transcripts_e.asp

It is DWAN/DIN specific.

 I was browsing thru 3 Boland courtmartials  :-[  (not all mine damn it) today (mine was a mear 38 pages - Mark's second was over 400...)


 
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2005, 00:45:52 »
Does it make for good reading?
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2005, 01:23:43 »
Should be able to order a transcript of any court proceeding in the country, as long as there is not a child protection order in place. They are expensive.

Are you looking for evidentiary and testimonial transcript or the written decision?

 
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2005, 01:28:54 »
Interesting...

 The DIN was up and down today - I could never get back to my bookmarks to send the site - or post it - so I wrote it down and took it home - sure enough it requires DIN access - although, I believe you can make a freedom of info request...

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2005, 01:34:40 »
I have ALWAYS been an ends justified the means sort of guy.

I'm shocked.

Anyway, as long as the "ends" is above board, the means are incidental. Potentially illegal, but incidental.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2005, 01:54:56 »
Does it make for good reading?

Wait for my book  ;)

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2005, 03:37:06 »
I like the first title.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2005, 04:02:54 »
Does it make for good reading?

Wait for my book   ;)

 I'm either going to call it "Warts and All: Pretending for Freedom" or "Voting from the Rooftops:The ONLY way to Effect change in the CF"

I like the first title.



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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2005, 18:52:02 »
And you didn't post the picture?

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2005, 17:13:54 »
This URL will give you some info on past and upcoming CM's:

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2005, 22:39:32 »
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2005, 04:29:37 »
Looking at the list of Court Martials that concluded - why are the penalties so light?

Possesion of Child Porn - 10 days

Theft of Explosive Substances - 30 days

Trafficking - 14 days + $1000 fine

Are these guys getting dinged civvie side as well?
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2005, 08:42:28 »
Looking at the list of Court Martials that concluded - why are the penalties so light?

Possesion of Child Porn - 10 days

Theft of Explosive Substances - 30 days

Trafficking - 14 days + $1000 fine

Are these guys getting dinged civvie side as well?

No, and the sentences that are handed down at a courts martial are proportional to what a civilian would get for a similar offence. One must remember a couple of things when examining the military justice system:  one, many of the persons that are tried are first time offenders (always a mitigating factor in sentencing); and two, many of the incidents (not all) that are heard by the military courts wouldn't even make it to trial in the civilian court system.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2005, 14:22:38 »
Let me get this straight.  Your saying that if I were a civy and got caught trafficking I would on average receive 14 days in jail and a fine?  Seems light in either system.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2005, 14:38:07 »
The term "first offence" has always cracked me up.  Chances are it's his/her first arrest, probably the 9th or 10th offence.

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