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CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« on: March 31, 2005, 18:02:36 »
I just had my chit updated as I wear non-issued boots (Magnum Boots) I have my chit updated yearly. 2 Pairs are wet weather and find them better than gortex, the other 2 pair are Magmun Stealth great for high temperatures. I wear these boots as they accommodate my orthodics and wide feet I have. Could never get a proper fit with Issued boots. I use to suffer from planter fasciitis (this occurred while in the military) and the problems was solved with the Magnum brand of boots. I actually spent 4 months on light duty with planter fasciitis 2 years ago. Just recently back in December I decided to pic up a pair of the issued gortex wet wether boots. The first day I had them on I had one major slip and fall the put my back out. I am not expected to make a full recovery until around July.

My concerns are the Canforgen that came out a few months ago stating non-issued boots are not allowed in the field. I mentioned this to my MO this week and told to forget the darn Canforgen. The MO made it quite clear to me that he will authorized me to wear to issued boots as they will not accommodate my orthodics and wide feet. If he caught me with issued boot he would charge me, if I we to try and wear issued boots in the field and were to re-injure my feet he would again charge me for the wearing the issue boots. IMO the Magnum boots have superior taction over the issue boots.

So I am stuck between the my MO and the Canforgen. When my back recovers and I return to the field what the heck am I supposed to do about the boot issue. My COC was given the chit and letter from 2 MO's this week that they will not authorize issued boots at this time. When the new resoled wet wether boots become available they will be authorized as they accommodate the darn orthodics and wide feet.

Any suggestions how to deal with my concerns.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 19:13:55 »
I wouldn't worry about it.  If they want to battle of medical issues and the troops they will have a big fight on their hands.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 21:35:21 »
If you are given a chit for boots by an MO they are considered issued, and therefor are allowed to be worn as per issued boots. Thats why you are only allowed certian types when you bring in your chit.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2007, 15:13:36 »
Hello Everyone. I have been looking around before I post this to get my question answered but I still was not able to find the exact answer I seeked so sorry if this takes any of your time.

I have flat feed and there wide. I got fitted with a custom orthodic for my flat feet. The boots I got issued form NDHQ are 13 WIDE but there not wide enough. My foot hits the side of them and I get blisters. Now I am lookign on a lot of sites and I see a lot of US Combat boots for sale that come in really wide. I'm curious, DOes the Canadian forces allow you to buy your own boots or does it depend on the regement your in?

Also do you think its possible to request a wider pare speically fit by a Military Doctor?

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2007, 15:33:01 »
Its a case some oof my buddies encountered during our present BMQ, you have to go to sick parade...to get a sheet...telling that you have a boot problem...and thenyou will be able to get a different set of boots. which by the much more comfy then the good old mark III

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2007, 15:36:00 »
Its a case some oof my buddies encountered during our present BMQ, you have to go to sick parade...to get a sheet...telling that you have a boot problem...and thenyou will be able to get a different set of boots. which by the much more comfy then the good old mark III

:) good luck
Oh Great, I start BMQ July 3rd. So your saying is I should give them a try, let them fully fit in then if they are hurting me talk to my CHain of Command at BMQ. Then They will help me otu and I should get a better confey set?
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2007, 15:41:20 »
What I'm saying...try your boots...put them to your feet...the first few days are hell for feet all of my section had blisters...now our boots and our feet are accustomed to each other and they are much more comfy.

Boots are made of leather and will stretch a little. If the boots after a few days are to painfull....request a visit in the morning to the sick parade. ex pain to the medical team the problem...and they will take care of you...perharps a few days with no boots, or if they realised that it will not work...they will give you the sheet telling that you need to change your boots. after show this sheet to your section commander...and they will take arrangement for you to make a visit to the clothing facilities and they will give you and other model, or they will give you instruction on what to do.

I did not live this problem personally so after that I'm not sure what it the correct procedure.

Good luck. Where are you doing BMQ?
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2007, 15:49:51 »
I know the army is very strict on issuing "non-issued" boots.  Here in Gagetown, they won't replace my vibram soled boots even though I have a medical chit, which wasn't written here, it was in Edmonton. I spoke with a MO about this and the reasoning behind it is they will only issue "non-issued" boots to soldiers who are on T-Cat and P-Cat now.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2007, 15:50:50 »
I know the army is very strict on issuing "non-issued" boots.  Here in Gagetown, they won't replace my vibram soled boots even though I have a medical chit, which wasn't written here, it was in Edmonton. I spoke with a MO about this and the reasoning behind it is they will only issue "non-issued" boots to soldiers who are on T-Cat and P-Cat now.
Ill be goign to Gage TOwn next year. So do you have a lot of pain?
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2007, 15:54:18 »
The orthopedic surgeon I visited says I have a high arch, so I need more cushioning for my feet, because there was too much impact on my knees.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2007, 15:55:56 »
The orthopedic surgeon I visited says I have a high arch, so I need more cushioning for my feet, because there was too much impact on my knees.
I see, I'm the complete opposite, I have No arch :). THanks a lot for your help guys. You really all helped!!  :cdn: :cdn:
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2007, 21:24:49 »
I know the army is very strict on issuing "non-issued" boots.  Here in Gagetown, they won't replace my vibram soled boots even though I have a medical chit, which wasn't written here, it was in Edmonton. I spoke with a MO about this and the reasoning behind it is they will only issue "non-issued" boots to soldiers who are on T-Cat and P-Cat now.

last my understanding was, chits are not covered from base to base.
at least that's what the MO at 3RCR and the bin rats at base clothing told me *shrug*
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2007, 21:37:26 »
Another route you could try is to talk to the MO to get a chit for non-issued boots at your own cost and maintenance. I too have custom orthotics and the Mk IIIs, even after getting them stretched at suppl, still cause me grief. They cut up the front of my ankles so I went and bought my own pair of boots and got a chit saying that I was allowed to wear my boots, just that the army wouldn't pay for them. Hope this helps.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2007, 21:42:33 »
Before you go to the MO try this first, fill your boots with HOT water and let them sit until the leather is good and wet then dump the water out and put them on, ensure you tie them as tight as you comfortably can, wear them till they are completely dry, repeat this process 2 or 3 more time.  They will then be properly formed to your feet and you might just find that your problem is gone, if not then try the MO route

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2007, 21:44:28 »
Before you go to the MO try this first, fill your boots with HOT water and let them sit until the leather is good and wet then dump the water out and put them on, ensure you tie them as tight as you comfortably can, wear them till they are completely dry, repeat this process 2 or 3 more time.  They will then be properly formed to your feet and you might just find that your problem is gone, if not then try the MO route

A lot of people are telling me thjis but i'm not sure iF I can get my orthotics wet. I will call my doctor and ask him.

Also big foot what boots you use now?
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2007, 21:47:59 »
A lot of people are telling me thjis but i'm not sure iF I can get my orthotics wet. I will call my doctor and ask him.

Also big foot what boots you use now?

Well I certainly hope they can get wet because your feet are gonna get wet in those boots constantly through out you career, if you are worried about it though take them out until its time to put the boots on

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2007, 21:48:26 »
Well I certainly hope they can get wet because your feet are gonna get wet in those boots constantly through out you career, if you are worried about it though take them out until its time to put the boots on
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2007, 21:54:28 »
A lot of people are telling me thjis but i'm not sure iF I can get my orthotics wet. I will call my doctor and ask him.

Also big foot what boots you use now?
Honestly just keep pressing until you get boots that work..I'm working on it as we speak, and will let you know how it turns out. Being forced to wear the mark III's without orthotics (when you need them) is a mistake and only does more damage to the soldier in the long run...trust me on that.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2007, 22:04:45 »
I spoke with a MO about this and the reasoning behind it is they will only issue "non-issued" boots to soldiers who are on T-Cat and P-Cat now.

I see that they will take the time to fix you after you are broken.

As far as boot chits goes, there is no comprehensive instruction that is stardard through the CF. Edmonton med chit stndard seems to have a more liberal standard then elsewhere. Petawawa bought against regs to give the troops deploying decent boots. This one in Gagetown is news to me and truely a case of let them eat cake. Or otherwise said, let them be in pain.

There are certian units who will buy you boots, but until you are in those units, knowing that will not help you much.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 22:53:32 »
Quick question:

If your boots are LPO'd, how often are you allowed to "exchange" them and are you allowed to draw other types of boots (ie. CWWB)?
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2009, 23:10:31 »
Quick question:

If your boots are LPO'd, how often are you allowed to "exchange" them and are you allowed to draw other types of boots (ie. CWWB)?

Not a quick answer; but why were your boots LPO'd?

If you have a Medical Chit for custom boots, then those are what you get, not the boots (ie. CWWB) that your "feet don't like".

If you are in a Trade that reqrs Safety Boots, depending on your "entitlement", you may be issued CWWB and GP and whatever other boot there may be as well as LPO boots.

I don't know your situation, and even a Sup Tech would need to know, in order to give you a correct answer.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2009, 23:27:05 »
The issue was that my feet (more correctly, ankles/calves) were too narrow for the TCB/GPB boots.  That being said, I never had a chit; Supply simply printed a form and off I went to the store.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 23:41:19 »
If your boots are LPO'd, how often are you allowed to "exchange" them and are you allowed to draw other types of boots (ie. CWWB)?

I had two pairs of Magnum boots purchased for me for this deployment. My feet didn't like the issue hot weather boots - they did not fit to my satisfaction. There was no medical issue and no medical chit involved.

One boot failed after a few weeks here - one of the locking eyelets at the bend of the ankle pulled out. I had to get a form signed by the Supply Officer verifying that the boots were a special issue and so annotated on my clothing docs, then I purchased a new pair at the PX, and turned the form and receipt into the NSE Orderly Room attached to a claim.

In Canada, I presume that one returns the boots to Clothing Stores and they will either purchase another pair of the same boots or send one to the local dealer to try on whatever brands are available.

All of my other boots are regular issue. The a** f**ce Cold Wet Weather Boots did not work for me either, so I returned those and was issued the Army equivalent instead. I have not worn them yet, other than trying them on. They fit better, but if they do not work then I'll be back to Mk IIIs or my black Magnums (purchased myself) and Gore-Tex socks when it's wet out.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2009, 13:20:12 »
Quick question:

If your boots are LPO'd, how often are you allowed to "exchange" them and are you allowed to draw other types of boots (ie. CWWB)?

We have to supply you footwear that works. If you have a foot that Clothing Stores cannot get into a boot (remember, we have over 70 different sizes now) then we are required to purchase you footwear. Some bases / wings do it differently, but the bottom line is it is our final word that says whether or not the boots purchased will be the ones you are wearing. This is key - once it has been determined that you cannot fit our issued boot, your clothing docs are annotated for all supply techs to see with something like "Member requires special order boots" - this means that if you attempt to get a pair of issued boots after you have been bought boots, you will be spoken to. This however, does not eliminate the possibility that you will NEVER fit any of our boots. Circumstances change as does foot problems and boot manufacturers.

You are entitled to exchange your boots - no matter what type they are - at any time. They must be worn, damaged (not willfully) or on a loss report (I won't get into that).

So, you can only have what you are entitled to on your docs at any given time. As far as purchasing footwear youself, the only thing I can comment on is that the boots you purchase have not been approved for wear through the supply system and therefore may not meet specific requirements as laid out in A-LM-007
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