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Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #150 on: March 26, 2013, 13:12:00 »
Hi does anyone have an example of an air force CF and mess kit for the health care administrator branch ? I just switched from the artillery as an NCO and now i'm an HCA officer in the air force... (the transfer was faster if i switched to air force). I knew everything i needed to know on my uniforms by experience and I don't fully understand the A-DH-265-000. I need a real picture to help me understand. Thanks

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #151 on: March 26, 2013, 13:29:49 »
Simple, HCAs assigned the uniform of the blue suited master race wear a gold coloured, winged caduceus above their name tag when in service dress...  While at fancy events, they wear uniform identical to the one pictured with a sanguine cummerbund, scuffed oxfords and a bad attitude as they realize that they could have had a classy red drinking jacket had they waited... Call the Adjutant/RSM of the nearest Fd Amb, they'll sort you out.

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #152 on: March 26, 2013, 13:40:01 »
Where does the new RCAF mess kit stand on the way to becoming the new Air Force standard?

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #153 on: March 26, 2013, 13:47:48 »
The new pattern RCAF mess kit is about to be approved AFAIK, in short order (I heard it would be avail in May).  (pic attached of new and current pattern)

HCA would wear the Medical Branch accessories with it.  From the older copy of 265 I was able to get this (which isn't relevant  ^-^), I'd have to look at the current one to verify but:

Medical Branch. Surgeon cuffs. Sanguine
waistcoat for officers andCWOs; female waistcoat
with three buttons/buttonholes. Cherry trouser/skirt
stripe. No gloves.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2013, 14:13:31 by Eye In The Sky »
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #154 on: March 26, 2013, 13:54:22 »
The spec you have listed are for the army's medical branch, they are not applicable to the current air force mess dress. As for the pic of the new and improved mess dress, I'm not surprised to see that scuffed oxfords are still the standard in the RCAF!

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #155 on: March 26, 2013, 14:00:18 »
Modified my post. 

That is the pic that was used in the briefs.   :nod:
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #156 on: March 27, 2013, 08:15:27 »
Or, to put it another way, is the RCAF adopting pre-unification RCAF style of stripes above the General's stripe to identify rank?

From what I can tell from the pic, the only major difference between the new RCAF mess kit and the pre-unification one is the shape of the lapels. 
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2013, 10:19:36 »
The lack of epaulettes. 

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2013, 10:29:33 »
The lack of epaulettes.

The epaulettes are there; embroidered.  Lack of Shoulder Boards/Slippons makes for serious tailoring as one progresses through the ranks.
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2013, 10:53:29 »
Embroidered epaulettes are in the picture of the current RCAF mess uniform.  The new/future uniform picture was embedded in the word doc.

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #160 on: March 27, 2013, 11:12:48 »
So the gold stripe in the trousers is for Canadian Air Cavalry ala the US?  :)
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #161 on: March 27, 2013, 12:15:13 »
It is definitely the post-unification style stripes and not the pre-unification style.
Unless I'm mistaken, the gold stripe on the proposed RCAF mess dress pants is a new addition as well. Let me assure you it's a mixed blessing: that stripe adds a good $300-400 to the price of mess dress, at current gold prices.

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #162 on: March 27, 2013, 12:25:29 »
The gold stripe was on the pre-unification mess kit, but not on the current one, and added back to the 'incoming' one.

A few pictures here, 2/3s of the way down.  Female mess kit circa '67 bottom right picture here.
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #163 on: March 27, 2013, 12:26:56 »
Unless I'm mistaken, the gold stripe on the proposed RCAF mess dress pants is a new addition as well. Let me assure you it's a mixed blessing: that stripe adds a good $300-400 to the price of mess dress, at current gold prices.
Looking at the new mess dress and owning a pre-unification one (I rescued it from the dustbin when they were renovating a legion near me), there are very few differences between the two.  The new one has kept the shawl collar from the outgoing midnight blue mess dress (and because of that, wings and medals are worn on the breast and not the lapel as they were in the old RCAF) and the trousers are cut slightly different (no stirrups, for example).  The gold braid on the cuffs and trousers were features of the old mess dress as is the white waistcoat.

Looks like I'm gonna have to start putting some pennies nickles together to get one of these when the final word comes out.  Weird that the rumour is for May and not this weekend for the Air Force birthday.
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #164 on: March 27, 2013, 12:35:53 »
It is definitely the post-unification style stripes and not the pre-unification style.

I guess the General can spend $1000+ on clothes, but he can't afford a tin of shoe polish...  ;)
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #165 on: March 27, 2013, 12:37:14 »
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #166 on: March 27, 2013, 13:15:12 »
Hopefully the pictures are viewable here.  Compare LGen Blondin's dress to the old RCAF version (the line drawing is from a copy of a 1958 version of the CAP-6 RCAF dress manual).  It's not a bad blending of the old RCAF mess dress and the CF midnight blue version.

The blue in this pic looks really dark but it is actually very close to Blondin's mess dress. 

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #167 on: March 28, 2013, 04:10:06 »
Unless I'm mistaken, the gold stripe on the proposed RCAF mess dress pants is a new addition as well. Let me assure you it's a mixed blessing: that stripe adds a good $300-400 to the price of mess dress, at current gold prices.

That's the first thing I thought as well, having both RCN and RCAF mess kit.  At least I could potentially re-use my RCN waistcoat (minus buttons.....or not?  Muahahahaha.)
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #168 on: March 28, 2013, 07:56:23 »
They should also learn to tie a real bow tie, instead of the $10.00 tuxedo rental one like the General is wearing.

After all, should you follow someone that can't master the art of tying a bow tie?  ;D
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #169 on: March 28, 2013, 08:17:37 »
After all, should you follow someone that can't master the art of tying a bow tie?  ;D

Yeah... unfortunately, bow ties and the colour of stripes on pants are more important then weapon handling for far too many people in the CAF.
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #170 on: March 28, 2013, 08:53:57 »
They should also learn to tie a real bow tie, instead of the $10.00 tuxedo rental one like the General is wearing.

After all, should you follow someone that can't master the art of tying a bow tie?  ;D

What happened to the tradition of being called out (and buying rounds) for having a fake bow-tie?  I guess my old NAVRES Wardroom taught me well.
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #171 on: March 28, 2013, 09:28:59 »
Yeah... unfortunately, bow ties and the colour of stripes on pants are more important then weapon handling for far too many people in the CAF.

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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #172 on: March 28, 2013, 11:30:11 »
Thanks for the lesson...  ::)
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #173 on: March 28, 2013, 12:53:33 »
Thanks for the lesson...  ::)

I can teach you how to tie one if you want.  I've known how to do it since I was 13.   ;D (poke poke)
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Re: Picture of air force cf dress and mess kit
« Reply #174 on: March 28, 2013, 13:06:27 »
I can teach you how to tie one if you want.  I've known how to do it since I was 13.   ;D (poke poke)

All that time spent around Chippendales dancers?  ;)
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