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Re: Mess Kits
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2010, 18:34:37 »
No i haven't, I get sworn in this July. I was just curious.

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Re: Mess Kits
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2010, 21:40:55 »
OK, let's not lead gullible too far by the nose.  First off, Bambi (despite the effeminate name) was a buck!  Secondly, both doeskin and barathea are different weaves of WOOL.  The main difference is that you can see the weave on barathea from several feet away, whereas with doeskin, you have to get much closer (i.e. inches) to see the weave.  From normal social talking distance, doeskin looks like a rich felt.  It's also softer and less scratchy than barathea.

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Re: Mess Kits
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2010, 21:43:30 »
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Are you implying that one should only have one drink?/quote]

Not at all.  Just one at a time (in each hand). ;D
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Re: Mess Kits
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2010, 21:45:57 »
Walked into that one didn't I? Oh well I'm thick skinned I can take the hazing that comes with being a fresh recruit ;) I suppose I could have just looked up Doeskin.

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Re: Mess Kits
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2010, 22:04:03 »
... Oh well I'm thick skinned I can take the hazing ....

Whoa whoa whoa...that word ist verboten in Army circles.

The Navy has some weird drinking traditions, but some "kinda bad stuff" happened a couple decades ago.

I'll go to my grave believing my doeskin mess kit is made of real deer.
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Re: Mess Kits
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2010, 22:15:19 »
*laughs* I like this forum, lot more people here with my sense of humor.

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Mess kit questions
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2010, 16:31:03 »
I am in the process of buying all my new mess kit stuff. I have some questions after the amount of stuff at the Canex rack over took me. By the way, I am air force....

1. Are cummerbuns mandatory?
2. For air force, do we have to have the tartan stuff or can we stick to black (e.g. black bow tie instead of tartan, black cummerbun instead of tartan)?
3. Are handkerchief's mandatory?
4. Satin or poly type bowtie?
5. Metal clips or full wrap around bowtie?
6. Suspenders or belt?
7. What kind of shirt? There's three types: white ruffled with black pin-type buttons, plain white dress shirt with black pin-type buttons, or plain white dress shirt with clear buttons.
8. Or is everything just a manner of preference?
9. Is there a "standard" mess dress for air force?

I think those are all of the questions I have.... I just want to make sure I buy everything once and not waste money on something I'm not going to wear.

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2010, 16:39:46 »
1. Are cummerbuns mandatory?

Yes, it's part of the uniform, unless you are authorized a waistcoat

2. For air force, do we have to have the tartan stuff or can we stick to black (e.g. black bow tie instead of tartan, black cummerbun instead of tartan)?

You can wear the appropriate branch cummerbund or the tartan one (BTW, black is the branch colour for Naval Operations, so you might not want that one).  Bowtie should be black - at least at the start of the evening.

3. Are handkerchief's mandatory?

No

4. Satin or poly type bowtie?

Silk of course

5. Metal clips or full wrap around bowtie?

Proper officers hand tie their bowties

6. Suspenders or belt?

There are no belt loops, suspenders are required, unless you want to be the subject of discussion the next day.

7. What kind of shirt? There's three types: white ruffled with black pin-type buttons, plain white dress shirt with black pin-type buttons, or plain white dress shirt with clear buttons.

No ruffles.  Discreet front with tiny pleats is best.  The black plastic "buttons" are actually studs, which should be replaced with nicer ones.

8. Or is everything just a manner of preference?

There is some room for preferences, but there is a basic standard.

9. Is there a "standard" mess dress for air force?

Yes, the midnight blue mess kit detailed in the Air Force section of the Dress Manual.
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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2010, 16:43:19 »
So I'd have to get a tartan cummerbun with a black bowtie? Yes, I know about the mess kit that has to be tailored (blue) but I meant standard for shirt, bowtie, etc. What is the branch cummerbund for CELE? Canex doesn't sell the ones you tie yourself.... so what is the next best thing? Canex doesn't sell shirts with tiny pleats... It looks like ruffles all across the front. As for the studs, what should they be replaced with?

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2010, 19:03:18 »
If Canex doesn't stock your branch cummerbund, then there are two options:  the generic AF tartan, or try ordering from the CELE kit shop available here: http://www.c-and-e-museum.org/MercuryShop/shopdisplaycategories.asp

They also have cuff links and studs.
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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2010, 19:07:51 »
Or being in Kingston.... They should have them at the museum right? Just finishing at RMC and completely clueless about mess kit haha.

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2010, 19:14:37 »
Or being in Kingston.... They should have them at the museum right? Just finishing at RMC and completely clueless about mess kit haha.

Which probably explains why you can't get them at Canex.
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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2010, 19:19:30 »
So do the black studs in the shirt get replaced with signals buttons?

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2010, 19:50:19 »
So do the black studs in the shirt get replaced with signals buttons?

Yup.

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2010, 19:57:53 »
Even as a CELE and not as Sigs (just clarifying)? Wish it was only all one standard, not so many choices

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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2010, 20:00:10 »
Even as a CELE and not as Sigs (just clarifying)? Wish it was only all one standard, not so many choices

The signals branch badge is the same reagrdless of what trade you are.

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2010, 21:12:15 »
Is there even a branch specific tartan for CELE? Or is it just AF tartan? Which do the air force wear?

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2010, 21:30:45 »
Which do the air force wear?

I have no branch specific cummerbun so i wear the AF tartant one. The engineers i see wear the engineer brick-red one ........

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2010, 21:40:06 »
So black cummerbun is out for sure, right? Can a black bowtie be worn with it or does it have to be tartan too?

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2010, 21:43:35 »
So black cummerbun is out for sure, right?

I have seen people wear the black one but very few.

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2010, 21:55:50 »
But it looks better to have both tartan?

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2010, 21:58:39 »
Go to the museum and talk with Mr Postill.  He will sort you out with everything you need.


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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2010, 21:58:51 »
1. Are cummerbuns mandatory?
2. For air force, do we have to have the tartan stuff or can we stick to black (e.g. black bow tie instead of tartan, black cummerbun instead of tartan)?

Yes, they are mandatory.  I wore the black one initially, then got a tartan one.  Some units have their own. 

3. Are handkerchief's mandatory?

No.  In fact, I have not seen anyone wear one with an AF mess kit.

4. Satin or poly type bowtie?
5. Metal clips or full wrap around bowtie?

Whatever you want.  It doesn't matter in the end.  Most people wear the standard poly wrap around.  Your unit may have a unit bow-tie that you need to tie.

6. Suspenders or belt?

Can't really wear a belt.  Definately suspenders.

7. What kind of shirt? There's three types: white ruffled with black pin-type buttons, plain white dress shirt with black pin-type buttons, or plain white dress shirt with clear buttons.

I have a ruffled and I wear an "aircraft pin" for each aircraft I have flown.  For the empty spot, I wear the CAF crest pin.  You can wear whatever pin-type buttons.  Do NOT wear one with buttons attached to the shirt itself.

8. Or is everything just a manner of preference?

Lots of it is preference.  There is the basic styles (Dark Blue or White) but everything else is pretty much your pick. 

Andrei is really good.  I got my mess kit from them for 800$ everything included (Capt Rank and pilot wings) For a 2Lt with nothing else, it would probably be cheaper by 50$ or so.  Canex also offers a 12 month no interest plan to buy your mess kit from them.

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2010, 22:02:23 »
Yeah, I'm going through Andrei.... I just wasn't sure like shirt wise and tie wise, and the other accessory-wise, if there was a standard or anything like that. How common are the plain white dress shirts with the studs?

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Re: Mess kit questions
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2010, 22:04:28 »
How common are the plain white dress shirts with the studs?

I have not seen anybody wear it around here in the last 5 years.