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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2925 on: November 13, 2017, 12:00:21 »
Cnut's name gets bandied around a lot - usually as a dimwitted barbarian.

Interesting article here on who the actual barbarian might have been

But of interest to this thread is the included map of England in 878 (ie the Viking era - in which Cnut triumphed in 1016).

Much is made of "rising waters" and sinking England these days.  Shouldn't we just let the waters rise and let Mother Nature return us to the Status Quo Ante?

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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2927 on: November 21, 2017, 07:40:42 »
Irony....?




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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2928 on: November 21, 2017, 11:49:07 »
The irony should burn even more when you consider that @ 70% of US energy generation is via coal fired thermal plants.......
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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2929 on: February 20, 2019, 15:16:29 »
Just going to leave this here.

From CNN - “The Most Trusted Name in News” (Their motto, not my choice)

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CNN)When Europeans arrived in the Americas, they caused so much death and disease that it changed the global climate, a new study finds.
European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South, Central and North America, causing large swaths of farmland to be abandoned and reforested, researchers at University College London, or UCL, estimate. The increase in trees and vegetation across an area the size of France resulted in a massive decrease in carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, according to the study.
Carbon levels changed enough to cool the Earth by 1610, researchers found. Columbus arrived in 1492,
"CO2 and climate had been relatively stable until this point," said UCL Geography Professor Mark Maslin, one of the study's co-authors. "So, this is the first major change we see in the Earth's greenhouse gases."

More at link - https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/world/european-colonization-climate-change-trnd/index.html

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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2930 on: February 20, 2019, 15:58:42 »
From BBC
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Colonisation of the Americas at the end of the 15th Century killed so many people, it disturbed Earth's climate.

That's the conclusion of scientists from University College London, UK.

Complete article here,
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973

etc...
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22mark+maslin%22+%22Great+Dying%22&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-7oDz-MzgAhUoWN8KHZNTA78QpwUIJQ&biw=1280&bih=641
« Last Edit: February 21, 2019, 10:16:26 by mariomike »

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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2931 on: March 05, 2019, 17:56:56 »
An environmentalist with whom I can agree:

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The best way to save nature? Do nothing.
Peter Wohlleben argues no matter how much humans think they’re ruining the planet, the natural world will ultimately prevail

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Q: That fits with your theme: humans should look for patterns that we’ve missed or refused to see in the past, and then admit we can’t see everything. Humility and caution is what we need to practise.
A: Exactly. For example, when we talk about biodiversity and how we can support it, you would think we knew which species exist in an ecosystem, but we don’t. Look at the wonderful research done in New York’s Central Park, where scientists found more than 100,000 species. Most of them bacteria, yes, but very important parts of the ecosystem. We know only a few species on the planet, the bigger ones, but the small ones are often more important and of them we know just a few.

Q: This secret wisdom, then, is nothing esoteric. You mean we simply don’t know what we’re talking about?
A: That’s the essence of the book, and—not to give away the ending—right now the secrets remain secret. If you want to protect nature, the best thing to do is nothing.

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Q: Your bottom line then is: leave things alone, and nature will carry on.
A: Yes, we just have to keep our hands in our pockets.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-moral-catastrophe-of-justin-trudeau/

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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2932 on: June 12, 2019, 08:44:31 »
This is pretty interesting. Haven't seen this theory before....


Multiple NASA Studies Confirm Bedrock Heat Flow Behind Melting Polar Ice, Not Global Warming

It is now abundantly clear that even respected mainstream NASA geologists and glaciologists are advocating that formerly underappreciated geological forces working in concert with atmospheric forces are responsible for polar ice cap melting. Here we note that in many cases these geological forces are dominant and, in some cases, the complete cause of modern-day and ancient polar ice cap melting

Knowing this brings into question other aspects of supposedly 100 percent settled climate dogma. Specifically, that man-made global warming is the root cause of other supposedly unnatural polar ice cap events such as alteration of marine and land animal migration patterns, anomalous plankton blooms, chemical alteration of adjacent ocean waters, alteration of polar area ocean currents, and changes in meteorological patterns. Many of these events are more likely the result of, or strongly influenced by, geologically induced heat and chemically charged heated fluid flow at the base of polar ice sheets or in adjacent oceans. Lastly, there is a quiet revolution occurring within NASA that will play out within the next year or two ending in the complete reconstruction of global warming theory.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/nasa-natural-causes-behind-polar-melt/?fbclid=IwAR0duTIVyvFZNDQffTLmyNyTKC0NOkW62gqjHpr2BOqC-IH_WqKpAp1SAWQ

All indications are that Earth is currently experiencing another period of strong volcanic activity which is acting to infuse CO2 into our atmosphere thereby challenging the validity of the global warming theory. Clearly, its time to put on hold all environmental action plans based on the cornerstone AGW principle of the global warming theory until additional geological CO2 emission research is conducted.

https://principia-scientific.org/discovery-of-massive-volcanic-co2-emissions-discredits-global-warming-theory/


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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2933 on: July 02, 2020, 15:09:12 »
On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem. I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.

But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as expert reviewer of its next assessment report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.

Here are some facts few people know:

   - Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”

   - The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”

   - Climate change is not making natural disasters worse

   - Fires have declined 25 percent around the world since 2003

   - The amount of land we use for meat—humankind’s biggest use of land—has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska

   - The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California

   - Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s

    -The Netherlands became rich, not poor while adapting to life below sea level

   - We produce 25 percent more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter

   - Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change



https://quillette.com/2020/06/30/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare/
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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2934 on: July 02, 2020, 15:29:29 »
Regardless of whatever primary causes there are behind our climate changing, I think we can all agree that we need to treat our planet substantially better.

Not cutting down rainforests, not filling our oceans with garbage and plastic, not filling our air with pollution and smog, etc etc - I think are all things we can unanimously get behind.



One thing listed in that article that stood among a few others...25% less fires now than 17 years ago?  Really?   :orly:
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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2935 on: July 02, 2020, 16:18:26 »
Environmental degradation tends to follow a U-shaped curve as a society develops.  In the early stages, things get worse as people are more focused on heating their homes and cooking their food and having a job than worrying about air or water quality.  In later stages as (if) a society prospers, attention turns to pollution mitigation as other problems recede or are adequately managed.  The evidence is seen in all the problems that are overcome (recovered bodies of water once deemed irretrievably polluted, abatement of acid rain, reduction of ozone depletion, improvements in urban air quality, etc).

Prosperity and technological advancement are fundamental to environmental improvement.
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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2936 on: July 02, 2020, 16:32:59 »
at last a spokesperson from the green side has revealed the flaws in the whole renewable philosophy.  But after 50 years of hearing that nuclear is bad, how are you going to convince people to switch away from those hideous aviary abattoirs?  We can take the first step by ordering nuclear powered subs to replace our current fleet, reverse the carbon tax to encourage our industry to stay in Canada rather than looking for cheap power elsewhere.  COVID19 has proven that that is a short-sighted concept, encourage the provinces to invest in mini-nuc. power plants.  But what politician is going to admit that they might have been wrong? 

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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2937 on: July 02, 2020, 23:41:24 »
One thing listed in that article that stood among a few others...25% less fires now than 17 years ago?  Really?   :orly:

Yup.... apparently:

Global trends in wildfire and its impacts: perceptions versus realities in a changing world

Wildfire has been an important process affecting the Earth's surface and atmosphere for over 350 million years and human societies have coexisted with fire since their emergence. Yet many consider wildfire as an accelerating problem, with widely held perceptions both in the media and scientific papers of increasing fire occurrence, severity and resulting losses. However, important exceptions aside, the quantitative evidence available does not support these perceived overall trends. Instead, global area burned appears to have overall declined over past decades, and there is increasing evidence that there is less fire in the global landscape today than centuries ago. Regarding fire severity, limited data are available. For the western USA, they indicate little change overall, and also that area burned at high severity has overall declined compared to pre-European settlement. Direct fatalities from fire and economic losses also show no clear trends over the past three decades. Trends in indirect impacts, such as health problems from smoke or disruption to social functioning, remain insufficiently quantified to be examined. Global predictions for increased fire under a warming climate highlight the already urgent need for a more sustainable coexistence with fire. The data evaluation presented here aims to contribute to this by reducing misconceptions and facilitating a more informed understanding of the realities of global fire.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4874420/
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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2938 on: July 03, 2020, 03:40:22 »
Based on my experience, every summer is the hottest or coldest ever, and every winter is either the warmest or coldest ever.

People have a very bad weather memory, and the media turning every storm into an "event" has only made things worse.

Bonus points if you actually think your part of the country is the only place where the weather changes every 15 min....

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Re: Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread
« Reply #2939 on: July 03, 2020, 09:44:20 »
Based on my experience, every summer is the hottest or coldest ever, and every winter is either the warmest or coldest ever.

People have a very bad weather memory, and the media turning every storm into an "event" has only made things worse.

Bonus points if you actually think your part of the country is the only place where the weather changes every 15 min....

And don't forget abut the terrible, world ending earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that will decimate every city around the Pacific Rim of Fire.

Oh, wait....

Average house price tops $1M amid sales surge for luxury homes in busy June

An unusually high number of luxury home sales in a busy June pushed the average selling price for a single-family home in Greater Victoria to more than $1 million for the first time. The record of $1,014,746 beats out the previous high of $986,602 set this year in March.

https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/average-house-price-tops-1m-amid-sales-surge-for-luxury-homes-in-busy-june-1.24164266

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