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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1200 on: May 03, 2018, 13:28:18 »
There was one offer in Trenton UTPNCM don't know which trade but not LOG. They said sometimes the members know before the PSO office so..

Occasionally I'm sure that happens. Apparently the message is supposed to go to your message center/OR, as well as the BPSO. Still waiting for LOG, fingers crossed.

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« Reply #1201 on: May 03, 2018, 13:38:40 »
I'm in Trenton, when I spoke to BPSO early week there was only 1 offer for the PSO trade.

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« Reply #1202 on: May 03, 2018, 14:02:59 »
I'm in Trenton, when I spoke to BPSO early week there was only 1 offer for the PSO trade.

The UTP-NCM offer I heard (for PSO) was in Cold Lake. Maybe they're the first trade to cut their messages? Hopefully we'll all hear soon. I don't think there's any reason to be discouraged at this stage in the game -- we're still early.

I'm definitely keeping my eye out for offers though. It gives you an idea if you should start to feel disappointed yet...

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1203 on: May 03, 2018, 14:22:16 »
Does anyone know the number of applicants vs available slots for each trade this year?

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1204 on: May 04, 2018, 08:33:56 »
Anyone see any PAO offers yet?

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1205 on: May 04, 2018, 10:44:05 »
Does anyone know the number of applicants vs available slots for each trade this year?

I received my info for LOG, 15 positions and 16 applicants, from the BPSO during my interview.

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« Reply #1206 on: May 04, 2018, 13:24:44 »
I received my info for LOG, 15 positions and 16 applicants, from the BPSO during my interview.

This is not correct. Please do not keep repeating it. Either you misunderstood what you were told or the BPSO had no idea what they were talking about.

There is also no way of knowing how many people have applied at the point of your interview as some people may not even had their interviews yet or had their files processed after your interview. I had my interview on Jan 10th for example. 

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1207 on: May 04, 2018, 16:33:10 »
This is not correct. Please do not keep repeating it. Either you misunderstood what you were told or the BPSO had no idea what they were talking about.

There is also no way of knowing how many people have applied at the point of your interview as some people may not even had their interviews yet or had their files processed after your interview. I had my interview on Jan 10th for example.

I am giving you the answer he gave me, and it was the answer to my question of what my odds were of getting an offer. Specifically I detailed that I was aware the positions were very competitive, and was curious to know what the standings were, and he obliged. I found my interviewer to be very courteous, and have no reason to doubt his knowledge over the personnel selection field based on speculations from others.

I am aware people can be misinformed, and if that is the case then I will apologize. Certainly any number of factors could have been unaccounted for when he provided that answer, but I am not in a position to say what was and was not considered. I'm a logical person, and will bow down in the face of evidence. However, at this time, I have no qualms against standing by what I was told.

It is completely possible to know the number of applicants, as the competition closed for submissions in January (31st), and my interview was in early/mid February. The likelihood of there being more applicant files after the deadline, is significantly less than the odds of files currently submitted being written off because of missing qualifications/improper submissions.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1208 on: May 04, 2018, 16:59:24 »
I am giving you the answer he gave me, and it was the answer to my question of what my odds were of getting an offer. Specifically I detailed that I was aware the positions were very competitive, and was curious to know what the standings were, and he obliged. I found my interviewer to be very courteous, and have no reason to doubt his knowledge over the personnel selection field based on speculations from others.

I am aware people can be misinformed, and if that is the case then I will apologize. Certainly any number of factors could have been unaccounted for when he provided that answer, but I am not in a position to say what was and was not considered. I'm a logical person, and will bow down in the face of evidence. However, at this time, I have no qualms against standing by what I was told.

It is completely possible to know the number of applicants, as the competition closed for submissions in January (31st), and my interview was in early/mid February. The likelihood of there being more applicant files after the deadline, is significantly less than the odds of files currently submitted being written off because of missing qualifications/improper submissions.


 From the bottom of my heart I hope you’re correct. I just emailed my BPSO to inquire about this information. I will report back

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1209 on: May 04, 2018, 19:05:07 »
I am giving you the answer he gave me, and it was the answer to my question of what my odds were of getting an offer. Specifically I detailed that I was aware the positions were very competitive, and was curious to know what the standings were, and he obliged. I found my interviewer to be very courteous, and have no reason to doubt his knowledge over the personnel selection field based on speculations from others.

I am aware people can be misinformed, and if that is the case then I will apologize. Certainly any number of factors could have been unaccounted for when he provided that answer, but I am not in a position to say what was and was not considered. I'm a logical person, and will bow down in the face of evidence. However, at this time, I have no qualms against standing by what I was told.

It is completely possible to know the number of applicants, as the competition closed for submissions in January (31st), and my interview was in early/mid February. The likelihood of there being more applicant files after the deadline, is significantly less than the odds of files currently submitted being written off because of missing qualifications/improper submissions.


Well if you are correct and I reject LOG for another trade offer than you will all get in this year!

I can confirm as of yesterday that there are no offers for LOG in my OR yet, only offer here for UTPNCM so far is one for INF. I am in the NCR.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1210 on: May 07, 2018, 07:13:40 »
Is today our lucky day?

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« Reply #1211 on: May 07, 2018, 07:38:43 »
Based on previous experience, since the canforgen states 18-May, I'm expecting that the bulk of offers will be delivered closer to that date..

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« Reply #1212 on: May 07, 2018, 08:17:16 »
Morning All,

Just to throw some fuel on the fire, LOG messages are starting to come out. We had an offer for LOG AIR come in last Wednesday here in Shearwater (I'm HRA).

I'm waiting to hear on PAO for myself, fingers crossed for all of you!

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1213 on: May 07, 2018, 09:38:53 »
Based on previous experience, since the canforgen states 18-May, I'm expecting that the bulk of offers will be delivered closer to that date..
May 18 is a reference to the month of May year 2018, so they have until the end of the month to be considered on time as per the canforgen.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1214 on: May 07, 2018, 10:39:34 »
You are correct. I read it wrong, now I have more than 3 weeks to bite my nails lol.

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« Reply #1215 on: May 07, 2018, 13:17:50 »
Morning All,

Just to throw some fuel on the fire, LOG messages are starting to come out. We had an offer for LOG AIR come in last Wednesday here in Shearwater (I'm HRA).

I'm waiting to hear on PAO for myself, fingers crossed for all of you!

Consider the fuel ignited. I'm waiting for LOG AIR in Shearwater, but am currently away from my unit...somehow I don't think that message is mine. This is only my first attempt.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1216 on: May 07, 2018, 14:19:39 »
Consider the fuel ignited. I'm waiting for LOG AIR in Shearwater, but am currently away from my unit...somehow I don't think that message is mine. This is only my first attempt.

Well that is exciting, good luck! Although, I am confused why you do not think the message is not yours? 16 applicants and 15 positions. What are the chances of you being that 1 person who did not get it, especially when combined with the odds that out of the 16, another person also applied for Log Air from Shearwater.... Not to mention your CFAT score is much higher than mine... ;) Statistically, if the information is correct, that offer is pretty much yours :)

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1217 on: May 07, 2018, 14:30:22 »
Well that is exciting, good luck! Although, I am confused why you do not think the message is not yours? 16 applicants and 15 positions. What are the chances of you being that 1 person who did not get it, especially when combined with the odds that out of the 16, another person also applied for Log Air from Shearwater.... Not to mention your CFAT score is much higher than mine... ;) Statistically, if the information is correct, that offer is pretty much yours :)

Well I'll try to be optimistic about it, but I'm thinking more like if it's the first offer released, it's likely someone who has already applied previously...and if there is a message for me I think it would be more like the 12th or 13th of the 15 messages. I'm not the only person to apply from Shearwater, but it is my first time so I figure an offer would be later on, after the other person.

Honestly, still holding onto the optimism that what I was told is correct, as well. No offense to you, but if I look at it from your point of view, it's a little depressing. I don't want to start worrying and getting down in the dumps about it, probably why I'm so defensive. So I'll keep upbeat and wait to see what comes.
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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1218 on: May 08, 2018, 08:26:49 »
Good Morning all,

Just thought I would chime in after being selected last year for Log-Sea (UTPNCM) on my first attempt. With the dinner bell calling, I can remember too well how jittery or on edge you all are to find out. I just thought I would highlight and stress the important things to get picked, and if you don't what to improve on.

1.) The single most important thing is your CFAT score. Find it out, and better it!!! After getting picked, I had three or four PM`s that were the same thing. "hey MaritimeMogul, congrats on getting picked. My CFAT score was 40/60, and the PSO says its an average score.... do you think its good enough?" The long and short of the answer in my opinion is NO!.... The cutoff (in raw score is 38/60) which is average and plenty of people can apply with that score. The CFAT is worth 60% of your score, and it conveniently has 60 questions... Get my drift?

Not to be a buzz kill, but once I found out my score was average, I decided to challenge the CFAT. I studied long and hard on the internet, at sea during deployment, and even downloaded a paid app (CFAT Trainer) and did the 700 questions on there. Well it paid off as I scored 54/60 on the CFAT and to this day I believe it is the single biggest reason I was picked!

2.) The second important thing in my opinion is to not hold up your career while you wait around to get picked/not. I've read a few people that have turned down promotions to the next rank level? Why, would you do this????????? Take the promotion to MCpl/MS and get your PLQ, make more money, and further pad your pensionable earnings. Not only does it give you a small, but definite one up.... PLQ will prevent you from doing the damned BMOQ mod2. Who wants to go back to St.Jean for a second time?? This guy sure isn't interested in going this summer but being that my education is free, so be it....

I hate to sound so blunt but it has to be said to often is iffy information passed around, and I'll scroll through and read it and shake my head.

I wish you all well and hope you all get picked, but if not keep your head high and improve on these things. Remember if UTPNCM doesn't work out now, its not to say that CFRP wouldn't work out. I had a friend denied all three times he applied for UTPNCM, but got picked on his first attempt at CFRP.

Cheers!


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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1219 on: May 08, 2018, 08:45:14 »
I went from 44 to 54 as well on the CFAT, we will see how it turns out

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« Reply #1220 on: May 08, 2018, 08:46:53 »
I went from 44 to 54 as well on the CFAT, we will see how it turns out

That's great! I'm glad to hear you did that! Hopefully your interview and Personality Trait Exam went well too. What program and trades did you apply for?

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« Reply #1221 on: May 08, 2018, 10:00:52 »
They both went pretty good. I am an army traffic tech, applied for LOG O - any element, and for a bachelor of business admin

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1222 on: May 08, 2018, 10:38:38 »
Good Morning all,

Just thought I would chime in after being selected last year for Log-Sea (UTPNCM) on my first attempt. With the dinner bell calling, I can remember too well how jittery or on edge you all are to find out. I just thought I would highlight and stress the important things to get picked, and if you don't what to improve on.

1.) The single most important thing is your CFAT score. Find it out, and better it!!! After getting picked, I had three or four PM`s that were the same thing. "hey MaritimeMogul, congrats on getting picked. My CFAT score was 40/60, and the PSO says its an average score.... do you think its good enough?" The long and short of the answer in my opinion is NO!.... The cutoff (in raw score is 38/60) which is average and plenty of people can apply with that score. The CFAT is worth 60% of your score, and it conveniently has 60 questions... Get my drift?

Not to be a buzz kill, but once I found out my score was average, I decided to challenge the CFAT. I studied long and hard on the internet, at sea during deployment, and even downloaded a paid app (CFAT Trainer) and did the 700 questions on there. Well it paid off as I scored 54/60 on the CFAT and to this day I believe it is the single biggest reason I was picked!

2.) The second important thing in my opinion is to not hold up your career while you wait around to get picked/not. I've read a few people that have turned down promotions to the next rank level? Why, would you do this????????? Take the promotion to MCpl/MS and get your PLQ, make more money, and further pad your pensionable earnings. Not only does it give you a small, but definite one up.... PLQ will prevent you from doing the damned BMOQ mod2. Who wants to go back to St.Jean for a second time?? This guy sure isn't interested in going this summer but being that my education is free, so be it....

I hate to sound so blunt but it has to be said to often is iffy information passed around, and I'll scroll through and read it and shake my head.

I wish you all well and hope you all get picked, but if not keep your head high and improve on these things. Remember if UTPNCM doesn't work out now, its not to say that CFRP wouldn't work out. I had a friend denied all three times he applied for UTPNCM, but got picked on his first attempt at CFRP.

Cheers!

@MaritimeMogu First of all, congrats on your selection. I hope your first year of university has been great! Your 2 points are very valid and absolutely correct for the majority of the people. I felt the need to respond because I did not re-write CFAT and I turned down promotions. Everyone's situation and thought process is different. Since you asked, here is why:

1- CFAT Score. I am at 82 percentile for NCMs. This is not a very competitive score and initially I was compelled to re-write it. However, once I learned my scores for individual sections of the test, I decided that I could not do much better. I got 29/30 on the problem solving skills. I got a 11/15 on spacial ability and 7/15 on language. I am sure I could study hard and maybe get couple more correct on the spacial but unfortunately language section is not something I can improve by studying much. English is my second language and that deeper level of vocabulary comes with years of using the language. Please correct me if you think I am wrong but this is my thought process.

2- I turned down promotions even though I was ranked #2 and then #1 in my trade. I am a NESOP which is a hard sea trade. I sailed on ships for about 4 years then got an amazing shore posting which people normally stay for 2-3 years. I ranked #2 about 7 months after getting there. I would have been promoted to MS and sent back to ships for another 3-4 years. On top of that, my CoC was extremely supportive of my academic ambitions. They started giving me 14 academic days for every term of school. I started attending UVIC and taking 4-6 courses per term. Since my position is a shift work, I was able to work evenings and weekends. I formed a social life, I got into the school routine. I attended classes with the same people through terms. I love my university life. I decided to stick with school no matter what. I am still getting paid and I am getting my education paid through ILP. On top of that, I do not owe time back to the military. I am doing my 4th year in economics right now. When I applied I put down I still have 2 years to finish which true because I would end up switching my major to commerce which is a better degree.

If my single goal was to get into the UTPNCM program, your points are valid but I have other factors that effect my decisions. I am done with being a NESOP and I am done with sailing. I am ready to get out and get back in if necessary. Right now, my education and my life quality are my top priority.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1223 on: May 08, 2018, 11:47:16 »
I thought my CFAT was decent, but now im thinking I should have re-done it. My scores were roughly 92-NCM and i think 73-Officer. Cant remember my individual scores, but language was also my low point (second lang) which i have vastly improved since i took the test (E E E lang prof). I wish my PSO would have put more emphasis on the weight of this score.

Well, too late now. Fingers still crossed.

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« Reply #1224 on: May 08, 2018, 12:46:43 »
1.) The single most important thing is your CFAT score. Find it out, and better it!!! After getting picked, I had three or four PM`s that were the same thing. "hey MaritimeMogul, congrats on getting picked. My CFAT score was 40/60, and the PSO says its an average score.... do you think its good enough?" The long and short of the answer in my opinion is NO!.... The cutoff (in raw score is 38/60) which is average and plenty of people can apply with that score. The CFAT is worth 60% of your score, and it conveniently has 60 questions... Get my drift?

I'm going to second this for everyone here - the CFAT counts for 60% of your total score that goes to the boards (the rest being your personality test and the interview results/how well they feel you're a fit for the occupation(s) you applied for).  If you have a low CFAT score, study up and write it again.  It doesn't matter if you're applying for the 1st or 5th time, you're going up against everyone who applied for that year.  As an example: I got selected this year on my first try, and I had a CFAT score of 55.2/60.  It doesn't matter that this was my first year applying, or that I wrote the CFAT 18 years ago fresh out of high school with math, science and English fresh in my head.  Fair or not, it's what the process is based on and probably the easiest/fastest way to improve your chances of getting selected.

Good luck to everyone out there still waiting on an offer!