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as of Feb 1st, yes

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good info, does anyone know if there will be any specific comm unit attached to CANSOFCOM, or CSOR in particular?     

No complete unit as far as I know. Volunteers have been requested from the Sqn in Pet. We have also been told that almost none of us will be going anywhere until 2007.
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In the JATF (or aka CSOR) (don't get this confuse with all of CANSOFCOM) there will be support trades for sure.  The Suppot Company has  4 platoons (Transport, Maint, Medical, Supply) and a MP Section.   The Unit HQ and Signals will also have some CS / CSS positions. 

In fact, for the 2006 "build" there will be 47 CS / CSS Offrs / NCM's TOS 01 Feb 06 with another 26 TOS APS 2006,  This does not include "ATR" positions.   From there I only expect that it will increase, as the years go on.  Again this does not include Combat Arms guys. 

Hope that was of some interest.  If you have any specific questions ask (or send PM, even better), and I will see what I can do for you. 

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment
« Reply #153 on: December 18, 2005, 10:30:49 »
I'm just curious on where you heard this... and this instead of JTF or is this to go with JTF?

We received a briefing on this here at CFC about a month ago, as part of the visiting guest speaker series. The CSOR will be capable of supporting or "enabling" JTF ops, as well as carrying out ops in its own right.

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Back on topic folks.
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Do you guys think that, with the creation of this new unit, they will make everyone in CSOR jump-qualified and do away with the para coys in the LIBs?
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Do you guys think that, with the creation of this new unit, they will make everyone in CSOR jump-qualified and do away with the para coys in the LIBs?

This has already been addressed, the para coys will be staying in the LIBs.

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This has already been addressed, the para coys will be staying in the LIBs.

Sorry, I was unaware. I've been watching this thread pretty closely and I didn't catch anything on that. I apologize again.

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lol. Yeah, I haven't really spent much time in that forum...maybe left one or two posts...
I've decided to go Infantry Officer as opposed to airforce (applying next fall) so please bare with me if i haven't fully grasped all army knowledge yet.  ???
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Sorry, I was unaware. I've been watching this thread pretty closely and I didn't catch anything on that. I apologize again.
Try here: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,22233.270.html

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I've seen a lot of talk about what batallions will make up the group....did everyone forget that the Eng,armd,arty have very switched on troops as well? just thought this might lead to interesting discussion.

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....did everyone forget that the Eng,armd,arty have very switched on troops as well? just thought this might lead to interesting discussion.

Your blasphemy will be forgiven on this one occasion - we all know that if all of those sappers, troopers and gunners were "switched on" they would have become infanteers in the first place - instead of trying to sneak in the back door of the CSOR......  :D
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Is this "selection" going to be only for the infantry companies?  Or will all trades have to "apply" and be selected?

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CANFORGEN 195/05 DCDS 185 201320Z DEC 05
CANADIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS REGIMENT (CDN SPEC OPS REGT) IMPLEMENTATION AND
RECRUITING CAMPAIGN 2006 - CDN SPEC OPS REGT OPERATORS AND SUPPORTERS
UNCLASSIFIED
1. THE RECENT CREATION OF THE CANADIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS
FORCES COMMAND (CANSOFCOM) PROVIDES THE CANADIAN GOVT AND CDS WITH AN AGILE,
HIGH READINESS SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE (SOF) CAPABLE OF CONDUCTING SPECIAL
OPERATIONS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF CONFLICT AT HOME AND ABROAD.
2. THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT WILL BE AN INTEGRAL COMPONENT OF
CANSOFCOM, AND WILL PROVIDE A RAPID RESPONSE CAPABILITY FOR SPECIAL
OPERATION MISSIONS THROUGHOUT CANADA AND THE WORLD. THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT
WILL COMPLEMENT JTF 2 AND WILL BE CAPABLE OF INDEPENDENT HIGH-READINESS
COMBAT OPS. CDN SPEC OPS REGT ROLES INCLUDE SUPPORT TO COUNTER-TERRORISM,
DIRECT ACTION, SPECIAL RECONNAISSANCE, NON-COMBATANT EVACUATION OPERATIONS,
AS WELL AS DEFENCE DIPLOMACY AND MILITARY ASSISTANCE. POTENTIAL CANDIDATES
CAN EXPECT CHALLENGING AND DYNAMIC EMPLOYMENT IN SMALL TEAMS AS A PART OF AN
OPERATIONALLY FOCUSED UNIT. TO FACILITATE IMPLEMENTATION, THE UNIT WILL FILL
POSITIONS AND CONDUCT TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT USING A PHASED APPROACH:
A. PHASE I (JAN TO MAR 06). AN INITIAL
IMPLEMENTATION CADRE CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 60 SELECTED UNIT HQ AND
COMBAT SERVICE SUPPORT PERS WILL BE POSTED TO THE CFB PETAWAWA BASED UNIT IN
EARLY 06. SCREENING OF ALL CDN SPEC OPS REGT VOLUNTEERS FROM ACROSS THE CF
COMMENCES AT HOME BASES AND UNITS.
B. PHASE II (FEB TO APR 06). CLS WILL SCREEN A
FORMED COMPANY GROUP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURE BELOW AND AS ORDERED
IN SEPARATE CLS INSTRUCTIONS. SOME FURTHER AUGMENTEES TO THIS COMPANY WILL
BE SELECTED FROM ACROSS THE CF.
C. PHASE III (APR - AUG 06). INITIAL CDN SPEC
OPS REGT TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT WILL BE CONDUCTED. UNIT REACHES INITIAL
OPERATIONAL CAPABILITY.
D. PHASE IV (POST APS 06). FURTHER GROWTH OF
CDN SPEC OPS REGT TO FULL OPERATIONAL CAPABILITY AT A PACE DIRECTED BY CDS.
3. PERS FOR THIS JOINT UNIT WILL BE RECRUITED FROM ACROSS THE
CF, INCL PRIMARY RESERVE PERS. THE UNIT WILL BE COMPRISED OF TWO CATEGORIES
OF PERS:
A. CATEGORY (CAT) 1: CDN SPEC OPS REGT
OPERATORS - CONSIST OF CDN SPEC OPS REGT OPS AND SPECIALISTS (SPEC) WHO ARE
DIRECTLY EMPLOYED IN THE TACTICAL ASPECTS OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS AND HIGH
VALUE TASKS. CDN SPEC OPS REGT OPERATORS (CAT 1) IS OPEN TO BOTH GENDERS OF
ANY MOC AND RANK FROM PTE/OS TO MWO/CPO2 AND LT/SLT TO MAJ/LCDR.
B. CAT 2: SUPPORT (SP) - CONSISTS OF SP PERS
SELECTED FROM REGULAR FORCE AND RESERVE FORCE MOCS TO FULFIL CDN SPEC OPS
REGT REQUIREMENTS IN STAFF AND SUPPORT POSNS.
4. BASED ON THE COMPRESSED TIMELINES, AND TO ENSURE THAT THE
CDN SPEC OPS REGT RECRUITING PROCESS DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE
OP CAPABILITES OF OTHER CF UNITS, UNIT CO S WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO DEFER
ANY APPLICATIONS FOR UP TO ONE YEAR. THIS DEFERRAL CAN ONLY BE USED ONCE PER
INDIV. ALL CF PERSONNEL CAN APPLY FOR CDN SPEC OPS REGT, BUT THE ABOVE
RESTRICTIONS MUST BE NOTED ON THEIR APPLICATION FORMS.
5. IN ADDITION, THE CLS WILL IMPOSE SPECIFIC OTHER RESTRICTIONS
THAT WILL APPLY ONLY TO THE ARMY FIELD FORCE BASED ON THE OPERATIONAL
DEMANDS OF THE ARMY MANAGED READINESS PLAN. DETAILS WILL BE AVAILABLE
THROUGH THE ARMY CHAIN OF COMMAND.
6. WING/BASE PERSONNEL SELECTION OFFICER WILL COMMENCE
SCREENING OF VOLUNTEERS FOR POSNS ON A CONTINUAL BASIS. HOWEVER,
APPLICATIONS FOR THE FIRST CDN SPEC OPS REGT TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT CRSE
(CAT 1) MUST BE RECEIVED BY THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT RECRUITING AND SELECTION
CELL NLT 1 MAR 06. THE DEADLINE FOR CAT 2 APPLICATIONS IS 1 APR 06. WHILE
MOST CDN SPEC OPS REGT POSITIONS ARE DESIGNATED 971- ANY MOC, A LIST OF
SPECIFIC MOCS AND RANKS BEING SOUGHT ARE LISTED AT THE END OF TEXT.
7. PRE-REQUISITES FOR CAT 1 AND 2 PERS ARE AS FOLS:
A. MIN SECUR LEVEL 1. NOTE: ALL CDN SPEC OPS
REGT MBRS MUST HOLD MIN LEVEL 2. APPLICANTS WITHOUT LEVEL 2 MUST NOT HAVE
ANY ADMIN ISSUES OR DISCIPLINARY INCIDENTS THAT WOULD PREVENT THE MBR FROM
ATTAINING A LEVEL 2 CLEARANCE.
B. MIN MED CAT IS 332225. NOTE: VISION MUST BE
CORRECTABLE TO V1 (INTERIM POLICY).
C. REG F MBRS MUST HAVE MIN OF 2 YRS SERVICE.
NCMS MUST BE MIN QL3 AND OFFRS MUST BE FULLY MOC QUALIFIED. CAT 1 PERS MUST
BE PREP FOR A RESTRICTED RELEASE AGREEMENT OF 3 YRS SERVICE IMPOSED UPON
SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF BASIC CDN SPEC OPS REGT TRAINING.
D. RESERVISTS MUST HAVE A MIN OF 3 YRS SERVICE.
NCMS MUST BE MIN QL 3 AND OFFICERS MUST BE QUALIFIED TO REG F STDS. RES F
CAT 1 APPLICANTS MUST BE PREPARED FOR A RESTRICTED RELEASE AGREEMENT OF A
MIN OF 3 YRS SERVICE AND BE PREPARED FOR COMPONENT TRANSFER TO THE REGULAR
FORCE ON COMPLETION OF THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT CRSE.
RESERVE FORCES MEMBRS APPLYING FOR CAT 1 POSNS ARE REQUIRED TO FWD A COPY OF
THEIR MPRR (PPE 806 OR CF1007) TO THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT RECRUITING AND
SELECTION CELL IN ORDER TO SCREEN FOR ELIGIBILITY PRIOR TO APPLYING.
E. POSSESS A VALID CIVILIAN DRIVERS LICENCE
F. FOR CAT 1 PERS - APPLICANTS MUST NOT HAVE
PHOBIAS TO HEIGHTS, WATER OR CONFINED SPACES. APPLICANTS MUST BE BASIC PARA
QUALIFIED OR VOL FOR BASIC PARA TRAINING IF NOT QUALIFIED. PERS MUST BE PREP
TO CONDUCT INSERT/EXTRACT TRAINING WHICH WILL REQUIRE AN ABSENCE OF PHOBIAS
TO HEIGHTS AND A HIGH LEVEL OF PHYSICAL FITNESS.
8. SCREENING PROCESS
A. STEP 1 - UNIT APPLICATION: MBR VOL THROUGH
CHAIN OF COMMAND USING THE APPLICATION FORM FOR SERVICE WITH CDN SPEC OPS
REGT. FORMS WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE WING/BASE PERSONNEL SELECTION OFFICER
OFFICES IN JAN 06 AND AVAILABLE AT THE CANSOFCOM WEBSITE ONCE ESTABLISHED.
CDN SPEC OPS REGT SELECTION WILL BE A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE PROCESS: UNITS ARE
ENCOURAGED TO SCREEN OUT BELOW-AVG PERFORMERS.
B. STEP 2 - PHYSICAL FITNESS SCREENING: MBR
UNDERGOES CDN SPEC OPS REGT PHYSICAL FITNESS EVALUATION AND SWIM TEST
ADMINISTERED BY PSP STAFF AT RESPECTIVE CF BASES. A PRE-SELECTION PHYSICAL
FITNESS TRAINING PROGRAM WILL BE PUBLISHED BY PSP IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

(1) FOR PERS APPLYING FOR CAT 1 POSNS, THE 2 STEP /
2 DAY EVALUATION PROCESS IS AS FOLS: PART 1 (DAY 1): 20 METER SHUTTLE RUN
LEVEL 9 (MIN 5 MIN REST) MIN 40 PUSHUPS (CONTINUOUS) (MIN 2 MIN REST) MIN 40
SITUPS (IN ONE MINUTE) (MIN 2 MIN REST) MIN 5 PULLUPS (MIN 15 MIN REST)
COMBAT SWIM TEST (25 M SWIM IN COMBATS, BOOTS, RIFLE, NO FLOATATION) PART 2
(DAY 2): 13 KM WEIGHT LOADED MARCH WITH 35 KG IN 2 HRS, 26 MINS (MIN 10 MIN
BREAK) CASUALTY EVACUATION OF A SOLDIER OF SIMILAR BUILD/WEIGHT FOR A
DISTANCE OF 100M IN LESS THAN 60 SECS. PERS APPLYING FOR CAT 1 POSNS ARE
ENCOURAGED TO PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY ON THE PERSONNEL FITNESS
TEST. PERSONNEL FITNESS TEST SCORES WILL BE USED AS PART OF THE SELECTION
PROCESS, WITH PREFERENCE GIVEN TO THOSE WITH HIGHER SCORES.

(2) CAT 2 - SP (2 DAY PROCESS) PART 1 (DAY 1): CF
EXPRES (MPFS); BASIC MILITARY SWIM TEST (WATER SAFETY KNOWLEDGE, ABANDON
SHIP EMERGENCIES, RUDIMENTARY SWIMMING SKILLS) PART 2 (DAY 2): 13 KM WEIGHT
LOADED MARCH WITH 24.5 KG IN 2 HRS, 26 MINS (ARMY FITNESS STD) (MIN 10 MIN
BREAK) CASUALTY EVACUATION OF A SOLDIER OF SIMILAR BUILD/WEIGHT FOR A
DISTANCE OF 100M IN LESS THAN 60 SECS.
C. FOR ALL PERS, UNIT TO FWD COMPLETED
APPLICATION PACKAGE TO WING/BASE PERSONNEL SELECTION OFFICER INCLUDING:

(1) APPLICATION FOR SERVICE WITH CDN SPEC OPS REGT

(2) CDN SPEC OPS REGT PHYSICAL FITNESS AND SWIM TEST
RESULTS

(3) UER

(4) PERS FILE, AND

(5) CONDUCT SHEET (IF APPLICABLE)
D. STEP 3 - BPSO SCREENING: TO BE CONDUCTED BY
THE WING/BASE PERSONNEL SELECTION OFFICER AND WILL INCLUDE COGNITIVE ABILITY
AND PERSONALITY ASSESSMENT, AS WELL AS A WING/BASE PERSONNEL SELECTION
OFFICER INTERVIEW. APPLICANT FILES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED BY WING/BASE
PERSONNEL SELECTION OFFICER UNLESS THERE IS PROOF OF SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION
OF PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST.
E. IT IS THE UNIT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FORWARD
THE FOLLOWING DOCS FOR EACH APPLICANT TO THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT RECRUITING
AND SELECTION CELL PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION DEADLINE:

(1) CF 285 (PSO REPORT)

(2) APPLICATION FORM

(3) PHYSICAL FITNESS/SWIM TEST RESULTS
F. UNITS WILL BE INFORMED BY MSG AS TO WHICH
APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN SELECTED TO PROGRESS TO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE
ASSESSMENT PROCESS.
9. CDN SPEC OPS REGT TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT
A. TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT - FOR CAT 1 PERS,
SELECTED CANDIDATES WILL ATTEND THE CDN SPEC OPS REGT TRAINING AND
ASSESSMENT COURSE. THE INITIAL COURSE, TO BE HELD IN APR-JUL 06 (TBC), WILL
FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE INITIAL LEADERSHIP AND COMPANY GROUP (FROM CLS) FOR
THE UNIT. THE SECOND TRAINING AND ASSESSMENT COURSE IS SCHEDULED FOR FALL
06. SUCCESSFUL CAT 1 APPLICANTS WILL BE ON TEMPORARY DUTY FOR THE TRAINING
AND ASSESSMENT PERIOD. THIS PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY DEMANDING TRAINING WILL
EVALUATE THE REQUIRED ATTRIBUTES SUCH AS STRESS TOLERANCE, PERSEVERANCE,
ABSENCE OF PHOBIAS, PHYSICAL FITNESS, ADAPTABILITY, AND WPNS HANDLING.
SUCCESSFUL OPERATORS MUST HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE INDPENDENTLY OR IN
SMALL TEAMS, UNDER ADVERSE, AMBIGUOUS CONDITIONS.
B. FOR CAT 2 PERS, SELECTED INDIVIDUALS WILL BE
INTERVIEWED BY CDN SPEC OPS REGT PERS AND IF FOUND SUITABLE, WILL ATTEND
ORIENTATION TRAINING AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE UNIT.
10. QUESTIONS REGARDING CDN SPEC OPS REGT SCREENING AND
TRAINING/ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE CANSOFCOM RECRUITING AND
SELECTION CELL USING THE TOLL FREE NUMBER 1-800- 959-9188. INFO ON CDN SPEC
OPS REGT WILL BE AVALABLE INITIALLY THROUGH THE CANSOFCOM REQUREMENT AND
SELECTION TEAM VISITS. IN EARLY 2006, INFO ON THE UNIT WILL ALSO BE
AVAILABLE AT THE CANSOFCOM WEBSITE.
11. CONCLUSION. THE CREATION OF CDN SPEC OPS REGT WILL PROVIDE
THE CF WITH A RELEVANT, RESPONSIVE AND EFFECTIVE SPECIAL OPERATIONS UNIT TO
COMPLEMENT AND ENHANCE EXISTING CAPABILITIES. MISSIONS WILL INCLUDE A WIDE
RANGE OF HIGH VALUE TASKS SUCH AS SUPPORT TO COUNTER-TERRORISM OPS, LONG
RANGE RECONAISSANCE, INSERTION AND EXTRACTION OPERATIONS, THROUGH TO THE
EVACUATION OF NON-COMBATANTS. THE NATURE OF THIS JOB WILL REQUIRE
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTELLIGENT, PHYSICALLY FIT, AND PREPARED TO TRAIN AND
MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF PROFICIENCY ON A WIDE VARIETY OF CRITICAL SKILLS.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE CHAIN OF COMD SUPPORT PERSONNEL VOLUNTEERING FOR
CDN SPEC OPS REGT TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
12. A LIST OF SPECIFIC MOCS AND RANKS REQUIRED IN THE CDN SPEC
OPS REGT APPEARS BELOW: LIST 1 - CAT 1 (OP) MOC RK POSNS (EXAMPLES) ANY MAJ
OFFICER COMMANDING ANY CAPT COMPANY SECOND IN COMMAND/PLATOON COMMANDER ARTY
(FOO) CAPT FORWARD OBSERVATION OFFICER / FORWARD AIR CONTROLLER 84 SIGS CAPT
SIGNALS OFFICER ANY MWO COMPANY SERGEANT MAJOR / OPERATIONS COMPANY SERGEANT
MAJOR ANY WO COMPANY QUARTERMASTER/TEAM LEADER / PLATOON WARRANT 021 ARTY FD
WO MORTAR LEADER 732 MED TECH WO/MWO (PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT QUALIFIED) 215 SIG
OP WO ANY SGT TEAM SECOND IN COMMAND / TRANSPORT NON COMMISSIONED
OFFICER/OPERATIONS SGT 021 ARTY FD SGT/MBDR MORDER LEADER SECOND IN COMMAND/
FORWARD OBSERVATION OFFICER TECH 043 CBT ENGR SGT/MCPL ENGINER LEADER SECOND
IN COMMAND 215 SIG OP /CIS OP CPL-SGT 737 MED TECH CPL-SGT 031 INF MCPL
(BASIC SNIPER QUALIFIED) ANY MCPL COMPANY QUARTERMASTER SECOND IN COMMAND
043 CBT ENGR CPL/PTE 021 FD ARTY CPL/PTE ANY CPL/PTE LIST 2 - CAT 2 (SP) MOC
RK POSNS (EXAMPLES) 43 EME/78 LOG MAJ OFFICER COMMANDEING 55 MED/78 LOG
MAJ/CAPT 43 EME/78 LOG CAPT COMPANY SECOND IN COMMAND/ S4 LOGISTIC
OPERATIONS 78 LOG (TPT, FIN, SUP) CAPT 66 PAO CAPT 82 INT CAPT 32 PLT (TAC
HEL) CAPT 71 MARS LT(N) 836 RMS CLK CPL-SGT 411 VEH TECH PTE-WO 111 INT OP
WO/MCPL 142 GEO TECH SGT 215 SIG OP/ CIS OP CPL-SGT 227 LCIS TECH SGT 052
LINEMAN CPL 911 SUP TECH CPL-MWO 911 (AIR DROP SPEC/ RIGGER) PTE-SGT 811 MP
CPL-SGT 935 MSE OP PTE-WO 933 TFC TECH SGT/WO 921 AMMO TECH CPL-SGT 647 WFE
TECH PTE/CPL 421 WPNS TECH LAND CPL-SGT 434 FCS TECH CPL-SGT 441 MAT TECH
CPL 642 ED TECH CPL/MCPL ANY PTE/CPL

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2) CAT 2 - SP (2 DAY PROCESS) PART 1 (DAY 1): CF
EXPRES (MPFS); BASIC MILITARY SWIM TEST (WATER SAFETY KNOWLEDGE, ABANDON
SHIP EMERGENCIES, RUDIMENTARY SWIMMING SKILLS) PART 2 (DAY 2): 13 KM WEIGHT
LOADED MARCH WITH 24.5 KG IN 2 HRS, 26 MINS (ARMY FITNESS STD) (MIN 10 MIN
BREAK) CASUALTY EVACUATION OF A SOLDIER OF SIMILAR BUILD/WEIGHT FOR A
DISTANCE OF 100M IN LESS THAN 60 SECS.

Thank you, thats exactly what I was looking for......

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Well, I'm reading this:
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A. CATEGORY (CAT) 1: CDN SPEC OPS REGT APPLICANTS MUST BE BASIC PARA QUALIFIED OR VOL FOR BASIC PARA TRAINING IF NOT QUALIFIED.
And then seeing this:
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B. STEP 2 - PHYSICAL FITNESS SCREENING: CAT ONE MBR ....
MIN 5 PULLUPS
And this:
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PERS APPLYING FOR CAT 1 POSNS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY ON THE PERSONNEL FITNESS TEST. PERSONNEL FITNESS TEST SCORES WILL BE USED AS PART OF THE SELECTION
PROCESS, WITH PREFERENCE GIVEN TO THOSE WITH HIGHER SCORES.

So, I'm just gonna throw this in...those that can not do at least 7 pull-ups need not apply as 7 is the minimum standard to pass the Basic Para Course.

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well, how long ago did you do the jump course?  Perhaps people have lapsed a little in their pull up abilities.....

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well, how long ago did you do the jump course?  Perhaps people have lapsed a little in their pull up abilities.....
I didn't do it.
But I guess they had better whip themselves back into shape pretty quick if they can't still do their 7. After all....they'll need to be able to do 7 on a bad day to pass their Basic Para as is required by the CANFORGEN...and I suspect those who are Basic Para qualified can either 1) still do their 7 being in jump coys or still very fit or
2) if they have lapsed in their jump time will be doing the good old Para Refresher...which also has a 7 pull-up requirement.

Either way, they're going to eventually have to do 7 minimum. So why not work up to comply with that "PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY" part now?
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Either way, they're going to eventually have to do 7 minimum. So why not work up to comply with that "PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY" part now?

Because we have become an army of "the minimum is good enough".

Good to see some action on getting this unit off the ground though - if the conservatives win, Harper will probably take the credit for it too, since he has already promised to create an "airborne strike force"
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Basic Para test is 7 chin ups (wrists facing you).  More bicep used.

CSOR test is 5 pull ups (wrists away from you, otherwise known as overhand).  More back used.
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Basic Para test is 7 chin ups (wrists facing you).  More bicep used.

CSOR test is 5 pull ups (wrists away from you, otherwise known as overhand).  More back used.

Aha!! Well this part of the message now makes sense then. So, ultimately/eventually they'll have to be able to do both in the end. Thanks for the clarification on that.
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The CSOR selection itself seems to be pretty short - only 2 days - and seems more like the JTF2's Cooper Test with some extra stuff on top. JTF2 has their 7 day selection before candidates can go on SOAC. I'm just thinking that the actual 2 day selection course - not the fitness test - seems to be a little too short. It seems more like a standard fitness test than an actual selection. Perhaps the real selection will be on the CSOR course. Both the JTF2 and CSOR seem to have very similar minimum standards. I've always wondered for JTF2 but now for both these unit's why the minimum standards are set at such a level because honestly I believe that a CSOR operator or a special operations assaulter should be much more capable than just 40 pushups or 5 pull-ups. I guess this is where the cadre taking those with the highest scores come in.
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That is why they tell you that meeting the minimum standard is not acceptable and that maximum effort is to be expended on each portion of the test.

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Don't forget, those minimum standards are for selection for training.  Passing the training is a whole other, rather large, can of worms.

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Correct, the two-day exam listed above for the fitness test and BFT is only the fitness part of the try outs.

That does not include the pers file review, the interview, and the actual training.

You don't sign your three year contract with them until you pass the complete selection.
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