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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #525 on: June 28, 2016, 17:53:38 »
CSOFCOM pers
Nice try.

Not a single line in your post is based on fact.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #526 on: June 28, 2016, 18:46:27 »
CADPAT is all political and has nothing to do with being effective
. TW is great  for some Canadian environments, and AR is great for others.


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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #527 on: June 28, 2016, 18:52:19 »
CSOFCOM pers often wear US uniforms/camo for operational security.  That's one of the main reasons for the differences.  I've personally worked with and specifically asked about their choice of gear.  I was told it is often to confuse or misdirect about who is actually operating in the area.  If you wear US camo the enemy (and friends) assume you are a US unit, especially at a distance.  The SOF units have or can get multiple types of camo relatively quickly and try out new stuff.  They also use no-name brand pattern camo that isn't really a particular nations style once again for operational security.  It's not automatically that our stuff is the worst, though I understand the typical Canadian military reflex to think that.

I'll have to brush up on my Geneva/Hague Conventions and LOAC, but isn't there something about it being illegal for signatory nations to adorn misleading insignia/accouterments/etc?

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #528 on: June 28, 2016, 19:32:57 »
More thinking out loud...I know, scary LOL
But couldn't the green CADPAT be used for Spring/Summer camouflage
And the arid region CADPAT be used both for arid environment and also as a fall camouflage
For winter, use what we used when I was in 1979-1981...white nylon overcoat worn over the parka and white nylon pants worn over snow pants
As for urban environments, what exactly could be worn to blend in. If anything would clothing that allows a soldier to blend in looking more like he belongs there be better, rather than camouflaging him to look like a building...if that makes sense
Anyhow what would I know...what we wore was olive drab combats year round, and in winter covered up in white.  Although our helmets had reversible green/brown camouflage cover

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #529 on: June 28, 2016, 19:36:55 »
Do they use Velcro on their pockets now, or buttons?

I know that I’m not perfect and that I don’t claim to be, so before you point your fingers make sure your hands are clean.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #530 on: June 28, 2016, 19:46:11 »
Do they use Velcro on their pockets now, or buttons?

Americans are almost all zippers, buttons. Very little velcro that requires frequent access.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #531 on: June 28, 2016, 19:47:21 »
Americans are almost all zippers, buttons. Very little velcro that requires frequent access.

Slick
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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #532 on: June 28, 2016, 20:04:34 »
Slick

And quieter, which is a life skill during certain combat arms type scenarios

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #533 on: June 28, 2016, 20:21:17 »
And quieter, which is a life skill during certain combat arms type scenarios

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSK3maq8Cyk

I love that video, gets me every time.
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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #534 on: June 28, 2016, 20:57:55 »
And quieter, which is a life skill during certain combat arms type scenarios

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSK3maq8Cyk

I stand corrected, that video is slick.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #535 on: July 09, 2016, 18:38:12 »
Does anyone know the duration of a rotation in CSOR? What I mean is after serving you initial minimum which is 3 years I believe, would the kick you back out to your original regiment or could you remain inside as long as you were physically capable to remain operational. Since it seems a bit strange to me to select and train you and spend considerable money on you only to kick you out for some new guy after 3 years.

(I searched through all (okay, most...) of the 22 pages of this thread as well as the search function and wasn't able to find an answer.)

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #536 on: July 09, 2016, 19:03:14 »
SF Op is a trade now, AFAIK that trade only has one place to work, CSOR.

Judging by the constant recruiting messages for supporters, I'm guessing those trades get moved out in the same 3-5 window that everyone else can expect to be moved around at. Longer if you can hide.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #537 on: July 09, 2016, 19:51:10 »
SF Op is a trade now, AFAIK that trade only has one place to work, CSOR.

There's also CSOTC across the base.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #538 on: July 09, 2016, 21:48:40 »
Is their a possibility of lengthening your stay or returning in a later point in time?

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #539 on: July 09, 2016, 23:29:30 »
Thats actually a very good question RedCardOP,

With the huge amount of time and money spent training operators in the SOF world, I would think the SOF community would want to hold onto their members for as long as possible.  I'm curious as to the answer as well - and, like the OP, did a fair amount of research & couldn't find an answer.
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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #540 on: July 09, 2016, 23:32:44 »
Maybe, just maybe, they can lowball your PERs so you don't get promoted out of a job...if they like you.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #541 on: July 10, 2016, 01:51:40 »
Maybe, just maybe, they can lowball your PERs so you don't get promoted out of a job...if they like you.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #542 on: July 10, 2016, 07:56:26 »
There are Operators in the Regiment who have been there since the first few SOBQ(now called SFC) courses.  So no, after 3 years you won't be posted out. How ever, I would imagine the standards expected of its members would be high.  You probably wouldn't last long in the unit if you fail a drug test, or are arrested for DUI, etc.


There is no officer SF Op trade, so it may be more difficult for them to make a career within the regiment due to career progression and career managers. However, just because they get posted out doesn't mean they can't return.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #543 on: July 10, 2016, 09:15:33 »
There are Operators in the Regiment who have been there since the first few SOBQ(now called SFC) courses.  So no, after 3 years you won't be posted out. How ever, I would imagine the standards expected of its members would be high.  I would think you wouldn't last long in the unit if you fail a drug test, or are arrested for DUI, etc.


There is no officer SF Op trade, so it may be more difficult for them to make a career within the regiment due to career progression and career managers. However, just because they get posted out doesn't mean they can't return.

No SF Op trade for officers; however, CANSOF officers now have their own career manager so progression is not a problem.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #544 on: July 11, 2016, 18:40:54 »
There are Operators in the Regiment who have been there since the first few SOBQ(now called SFC) courses.  So no, after 3 years you won't be posted out. How ever, I would imagine the standards expected of its members would be high.  You probably wouldn't last long in the unit if you fail a drug test, or are arrested for DUI, etc.

.... or are injured/ burn out/ go crazy....  just like the rest of the Infantry ;)
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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #545 on: July 11, 2016, 19:41:58 »
There are increasing considerations for ERE employment of personnel, even in trades deemed specialist, to avoid burn-out and to provide a better rounder career trajectory for those with potential for senior or key appointments.

Of course, postings outside the SOF community do not include the SOF allowances, so some pers are not interested.
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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #546 on: July 27, 2016, 21:09:52 »
There are increasing considerations for ERE employment of personnel, even in trades deemed specialist, to avoid burn-out and to provide a better rounder career trajectory for those with potential for senior or key appointments.

Of course, postings outside the SOF community do not include the SOF allowances, so some pers are not interested.

Moreover, if you're an Operator but are posted out of the unit you will lose your Operator pay.
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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #547 on: July 27, 2016, 21:13:42 »
Moreover, if you're an Operator but are posted out of the unit you will lose your Operator pay.
That is what he said.

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #548 on: July 28, 2016, 03:20:49 »
No SF Op trade for officers; however, CANSOF officers now have their own career manager so progression is not a problem.
what do you mean by this? if you went as an operator but as an officer for selection, what would your duties be?

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Re: Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR)
« Reply #549 on: July 28, 2016, 08:24:35 »
what do you mean by this? if you went as an operator but as an officer for selection, what would your duties be?

If you are an officer and make it through selection and SFC you would be employed as an Officer/Operator(Platoon Commander, etc) but your MOSID would not change.