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Re: AVS QL3 - NSCC
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2008, 18:26:28 »
The new budget is out in a few weeks (April sometime) so it will probably depend on that.

My jaw would drop to the floor and I'd be uber happy if it was in Shearwater.

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Where would I be stationed as an AVS Tech? And more...
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 23:59:06 »
Just curious if i go ahead with the idea about joining. I'm waiting on my file to go through and i'll get an answer on when to be sworn in. where will i be stationed? Its hard to find an avionics technician in the civilian world who knows anything at all about the CF airforce.

1. - I also have a question about the quality of life. I love change, and I'm always up for it. But I also know there will be a time in my life time where i want to settle in one place. Will there be a time where I will have a permanent place?

2.  - Also how frequent aill the CF move me around? (just an estimate will be fine)

3.  - As an AVS tech, where will i be stationed most likely? I've checked the DND website but theres not a lot of info i need from there yet.

4. -  How much of a man shortage does the CF air force have? When did all this happen?

5. -  How does work compare to civilian. I've worked as a civilian Avionics technician. And we have about 1 avionics guy for every 10 mechanical guys. Now do avionics technicians actually do "avionics" or what ever you're good at they'll put you into, thats somewhat related to avionics. ex paper pusher for new installation and documentation?
 
6. -  Any retired AVS techs here or know anyone? Could someone share their experiences as an AVS or AVN tech?

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Re: Where would I be stationed as an AVS Tech? And more...
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2008, 00:40:35 »
. But I also know there will be a time in my life time where i want to settle in one place. Will there be a time where I will have a permanent place?

No. You may be in one place longer than others but a posting is always just around the corner.

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2.  - Also how frequent aill the CF move me around? (just an estimate will be fine)

Could be anywhere from 10 years + in one place to moving every 3-4. I've been in the CF for 16 years and i'm on my 5th posting.....more to come.

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3.  - As an AVS tech, where will i be stationed most likely?

Anywhere CF aircraft are based.

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. Now do avionics technicians actually do "avionics" or what ever you're good at they'll put you into, thats somewhat related to avionics. ex paper pusher for new installation and documentation?

The AVS techs at my unit work avionics. They also perform aircraft servicing along with technicians from the other trades. When you hit a certain rank, the job involves managing the maintenance program and the paperwork, just like anywhere else.
 


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Re: AVS Postings
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2008, 05:45:04 »
And FYI, it's pretty easy not to be a grey man in Trenton.  The AVS techs on the snags crew work with the rest of us on servicing, and though there aren't as many as them, we all know who they are.  The crews are big, but still pretty family-like.
pilot:  Number 3 engine missing.
tech: Engine found on right wing after brief search.

pilot: Aircraft handles funny.
tech: Aircraft told to straighten up, fly right and be serious

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Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2008, 17:14:22 »
hey all

I'm 3 weeks from graduating bmq but haven't heard about the next avs tech course at all. Does anyone know when it starts? Poet comes first I'm sure and some people tell me that common core is part of my training but I'm sure that avs doesn't take it because we have poet.

Thanks a bunch, no one here seems to be able to find anything out ex epcept for avn info

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2008, 16:57:10 »
        I would not worry too much about the date of the AVS course. I know you are interested, but focus all of your remaining energy and effort into the remainder of BMQ. Judging by your previous posts you went through a lot of BS to finally get to BMQ so enjoy the last few weeks as they are usually the best ones. Your AVS course may not start for a year. POET will be 7 months and that is not counting if you have to wait on PAT platoon for a few months until the next POET course starts. Yes you have to do common core when you return from Kingston. It has been pared down to a month and a bit. It used to be 3 months. POET teaches you NOTHING that is related to common core. Oh and the last course in Shearwater at NSCC graduates in December and the contract will then be over so you won't be going there. The longer pat wait is usually between common core and 3's. Myself I had a four month wait between BMQ and POET and 4 month wait between CCore and 3's.

        My CFSATE experience spanned between April 06 and Mar 08 so my knowledge is recent. Let me know if you have more questions.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2008, 19:51:51 »
Do you happen to know if I end up on PAT if i'm there for any amount of time if I can apply for ojt at a base near my home, and if so what are the chances of getting it?

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2008, 22:27:33 »
    When you get to Borden from St. Jean, you will get a few days relocation to clear in and settle yourself into the shacks. If you are single or on IR you WILL move into the shacks. I would not really say that they have much OJT available for PATS in Borden. When I arrived in Shearwater three weeks prior to my 3's starting, they had us working at 423 Squadron and we were not allowed to do much if anything. I don't know where your home is so I cannot say a definite answer as to if and where OJT would be available. I know that when I left Borden a year ago, PAT was becoming a lot more efficient at course loading people so they did not have to sit in the canteen watching movies for monthstherefore the need for long term taskings has decreased. You can submit a memo for a tasking or OJT if you desire, but seeing that virtually every new person at CFSATE does that, don't be surprised if it gets denied right in front of you. More common and available than OJT were general taskings out of town. I went to the Nova Scotia Tattoo for a month and went to work in Cold Lake for WASF duties during Maple Flag for 3 months. Some people went to Winnipeg for 2 months to paint pedestal planes. Some people were even slated to go to Alert for GD but I am not certain if that happened.
     The main factor in whether they send people to a TASKING out of town is the approximate time from your arrival at CFSATE until your proposed course date. Even if they had OJT/tasking in your home location, they likely would not send you if your course is starting in a month or less. However if something is available and you are an eligible candidate, they will ask for volunteers or tell you that you have been selected to fill the duty. Bottom line is if they offer you a tasking anywhere, TAKE IT! Whether it is moving furniture for a day for RQSS in Borden, working at clothing stores in Borden, going to Cold Lake, or a parade in Toronto. (I've done all those things). I know from experience that even as a QL3 qualified person, I am limited in what I can/cannot do. A PAT with no qualifications would be even more limited in what they have to offer a squadron as far as a "hands on the aircraft basis." Hence the scaling down of sending people specifically for OJT.  Not to be discouraging but just being honest based on my own experiences.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2008, 05:45:44 »
Ive been told that since I live 30 mins from greenwood and I own a home plus my wife and kids are there I may stand a better chance... Plus the warrant officer who heads up the avs techs is the hubby of a friend of mine.

The least I can do is put in the memo, it can't hurt

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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2008, 09:12:20 »
 Then by all means submit a memo. Just keep on mind that until you return from POET and finish common core and get on course, you are under the control of the PAT office, which means that they will be the ones handling all the OJT requests and memos and ultimately deciding whether to forward them to the SCWO or his delegate for approval. The WO you speak of is likely an AVS flight or course director and they don't deal with PATS. He probably heads up AVS techs ON AVS QL3 course. Your logic makes sense as you own a home and left your kids there, but lots of people do that. It's just par for the course. I knew lots of people who also "knew people" at CFSATE or the bases offering the OJT but still didn't go based on the short time until the start of their course. Plus if their are other married or even single guys who have an OJT memo in the process, they won't cancel their chance of going just because you live in Greenwood and they don't. I never saw any tasking opportunities in Greenwood.

     Lots of factors to deal with...........

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2008, 16:01:35 »
The military will put you where the military needs you. I'd worry about your studies and getting through the AVS course. Don't get focused on where you will get posted 2 years from now.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2008, 17:56:32 »
Ive been told that since I live 30 mins from greenwood and I own a home plus my wife and kids are there I may stand a better chance...

Let me tell you the story of 2 guys i know...........

1 is a tech in Greenwood......remusters to another trade

1 is a tech in Comox....remusters to another trade ( same new trade as the first guy)

Both had homes, both had wives with jobs, both had been in location for years.

Can you see how this story end ?

One got posted to Greenwood, the other went to Comox........I'm sure you have figured out who went where by now.

Your chances of moving are just as good as anyone elses.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2008, 18:12:39 »
My wifes cousins fiancé is on pat/ojt in Greenwood. Same situation as me. If I get loaded onto course quickly my wife is going to move up with me, but if I end up on pat I'll search for a 4 leaf clover and put in a memo. Xmas is around the corner and I have 14 days of leave accrued so if worse comes to worse I'll just have a nice holiday.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2008, 18:35:24 »
RTaylor, I believe NINJA and CDN Aviator are thinking you're looking to be posted to Greenwood.  While I'm sure that wouldn't bother you, what I get from this thread is that you are hoping to be able to do OJT in Greenwood, if there's a long wait for your course.
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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2008, 18:41:10 »
yeah Moe I'm not worried about my posting at all...I just don't want to be sitting on pat feeling useless away from my family.

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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2008, 20:28:31 »

 "If I get loaded onto course quickly my wife is going to move up with me."

         Just some info. You can apply for housing/PMQ/whatever in BORDEN when you get there and report to PAT. If she does move out to Borden and you get loaded on your POET course, you will be going to Kingston IR and she will NOT be moving up to Kingston with you. POET is a seven month attached posting with free R/Q and TD (or sep expense) You won't be able to move her there for 7 months and then back to Borden while you attend your AVS QL3. Most people in your situation had their families brought down soon after getting to CFSATE from BMQ and they commuted to Borden on the weekends while they were in Kingston. When they returned from Kingston, their families were already settled in. With PAT time you could be in Borden up to 18 months, so consider the benefits of moving your family there since there is NO guarantee of you going back to Greenwood for a posting after you finish your time at CFSATE.


 ;D I just knew this was a thread that Cdn Aviator would get in on....
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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2008, 20:11:58 »
Couple of weeks till grad...2 weeks of Farnham in the wet cold and then shazam, I'm all done here in Paradise. I've been talking to some of the guys getting posted to Bordom to PAT and they've been lucky and have been able to get on OJT on other bases (AVN and AVS) so maybe I'll be lucky. If not I have vacation and Xmas ;)

I have another question though...how long will I be wearing the cornflake for? Or do I swap that for the Air Force cap badge when I get out of here? I've heard different things but I'd really like to know.

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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2008, 20:24:44 »
    As soon as you report to PAT platoon they will make you clear into the base. You may take CFSATE taxi or they might have someone drive you around. Either way, one of the stops you will be making is clothing stores where you will have the tailor sew an Air Operations cap badge on your wedge and beret. Cornflakes are fod hazards and being that CFSATE has active hangars, the cornflake is not permitted. I guarantee that if you are seen wearing it by anyone they will ask why you still have it on.
     You can ask for it in St. Jean before you leave I suppose, but given that I did not do my BMQ there I don't know the chances of you getting one are. Better to wait till you get to Borden clothing. They deal with that all the time.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2008, 07:09:47 »
I have another question though...how long will I be wearing the cornflake for? Or do I swap that for the Air Force cap badge when I get out of here? I've heard different things but I'd really like to know.

You will get it replaced by the air command badge when you arrive in borden`(within a couple of days anyway) I heard that it is because it is considered fod as the cornflake may fall off. I am not sure if that is true, but either way you get it!!!

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2008, 07:43:38 »
I heard that it is because it is considered fod as the cornflake may fall off.

Since no your beret or wedge are not worn in the hangar or on the flightline, your hat badge is not a FOD issue.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2008, 12:29:20 »
good point

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2008, 19:33:59 »
So do I still get rid of my cornflake for the real thing when I hit Borden next week? ;)

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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2008, 20:09:35 »
  As I explained in great detail in my earlier post, yes you will be getting rid of it within days of getting there as part of your clear-in process. And the cornflake is indeed a fod hazard for the simple reason that parades, inspections, and other things are often conducted in the Stedman Building (the main hangar at CFSATE) where you WILL be wearing your beret or wedge. These hangars have some aircraft that are still in running condition (and are used for teaching marshalling) and a metal cap badge could pose a danger if lost somewhere within them.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2008, 20:15:33 »
Thanks CDN, I really hate my metal cornflake and cant wait till I get the Air Force cap badge...yay n_n

I graduate on Thursday and hit Borden on Friday, Im really looking forward to getting out of St Jean.

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Re: Next Avs tech course?
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2008, 20:22:25 »
Call me a dinosaur, but I wish you still had to earn the cap badge.  When I went through Shilo in 76, we did not get the hat badge until graduation from QL3.  Following my remuster in 80 to Aero Engine Tech, the Air Ops cap badge was not worn until Graduation Day.  I might add though, in those days the remuster was not "effective" until you passed.  So, we (entire course were remusters) resisted rebadging until we passed our 3's. 
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