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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2009, 20:02:44 »
Ltmaverick25, perhaps given your membership in the Senior Service, one might consider letting others more appropriately in the know on a particular subject provide substantive input to the poster's question.  Then the poster would know that rotations of the infantry units are amongst PPCLI, The RCR and the R22eR, not whatever name you decide to compose. 

Also, using a bit of your past life and checking out the DIN-available references, you would know that all three regiments share contribution equitably to the AMRS, so your personalization of rotation methodology is ill-informed and inflammatory.  Stop it.

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I meant no disrespect to the R22eR, I have a strong family lineage in that regiment.  When I spoke of politics, I was talking about the federal kind, not sure if that was misinterpreted or miscommunicated on my part, but certainly I was under the impression both from comments I have read on army.ca and the news that they were not deploying as often.  If that is incorrect that I am glad to hear it, stand corrected and appologize.

As for the name of the unit, I was always under the impression that it translated to the Royal 22nd Regiment, or their nickname, Vandoos.  Ive always used both when referring to them.  Again if that is incorrect that thanks for the update, but once again, absolutely no disrespect is meant towards that unit in any way shape or form.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2009, 20:19:27 »
You pretty much slashed off part of the full name of the Regiment an inserted the nickname for the Regiment. Either go with the full name Royal 22nd Regiment, abbreviated form R22eR or Vandoos an don't combine them into one hack/slash job.

Also, I dunno how much you watch the news or anything like that but R22eR deploys.. an they are leading the current BG right now.

Quick run down for you on the Battle Groups that have deployed to Kandahar

TF 1-06  - 1PPCLI
TF 3-06 - 1RCR
TF 1-07 - 2RCR
TF 3-07 - R22eR (unsure of which BN went)
TF 1-08 - 2PPCLI
TF 3-09 - 3RCR
TF 1-09 - 2e R22eR
TF 3-09 - 1PPCLI (upcoming BG)

Plus the Vandoos were on earliar rotos in Kabul
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2009, 22:01:42 »
The RCR and the PPCLI are deploying more often then the Royal 22nd Vandoos due to politics.

Interesting assertion.  Utterly baseless and obviously poorly researched, but interesting.

The Army's hexagon of doom (AKA the ATOF) was intended to provide an easy to manage method to prepare battle groups for deployments - developed pre-Afghanistan, it was intended to facilitate training, deployment and reconstitution of units, providing an easy calendar for units to understand what they would be doing several years out.

It consisted of two lines of operations, as the CF had informed government that it would be possible to maintain two deployments (making assumptions about the size of the force deployed).

Thus, units were placed on one of two conveyor belts - the first and second lines of operation.  Once they came off one, they'd feed on to the other one in the future.

It happened that in the early days two bns of the R22eR were on the second line.  That is, they were trained up, validated, and spent six months as the go-to guys if anything happened.

But as time went on, the model was refined an altered.  Refined to avoid tasking the same LFA twice in succession or close succession on the first line, and also because the commitment on the "first line of operations" was much greater than the model was built for.

No politics.  No interventions from the politicians.  Just the G3 staff doing what G3 staffs do - plan and adapt.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2009, 22:11:42 »
Checkmate......

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2009, 22:46:52 »
Checkmate......

A little immature don’t you think?

I am man enough to admit when I have made a mistake and apologize for it, such as the case in this thread.  What value do you serve with a post like this?

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2009, 22:51:06 »
A little immature don’t you think?



Not at all.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2009, 04:24:42 »
ltmaverick,

When you get a reply like that you should think about your posting history as to why it might have surfaced. Now that is enough here, thanks.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2009, 04:34:41 »
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2009, 04:51:44 »
I would be extremely dissapointed if I went through my first 3 years and never got to fight.

Be careful what you wish for mate.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2009, 09:25:16 »
Amen brother!
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #60 on: December 24, 2009, 17:06:37 »
For what its worth, my experience was this: Grad BMQ on Friday, start DP1 following Monday, have just recently finished DP1 and am getting ready to head to Van for a domestic op and am Tentatively scheduled for TF 1-11 (obviously a lot can change from now to a year from now).  So yes things can move fast, but at the same time I also graduated with people who spent 6 months on Pat after Basic, and trained with guys who were good candidates and had an unlucky injury and were recoursed halfway through DP1. So really you never know until you know. If you were hoping for a clear answer, Ha  get used to it.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2011, 19:50:00 »
I am a mother of two currently in school to be a dental assistant, my fiance is planning on joing the ROTP next year and I have been considering enlisting once I am done school. My question is, a friend of mine whos husband is in the Canadian military said that deployment in Canada is not mandatory and they can not force you to go. I would really like to be a dental technician on base but the thought of being deloployed frightens me.  Is this true or is this false information?

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2011, 19:56:43 »
One of the auspices of enlistment in the regular forces is unlimited liability in terms of service. This covers, but is not limited to, being ordered into harm's way. It also includes deployment and postings against one's will.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2011, 19:57:00 »
A fair question.

Short answer is if you are Regular Force, you can be ordered to deploy. You have a choice - deploy or release.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2011, 20:25:15 »
A fair question.

Short answer is if you are Regular Force, you can be ordered to deploy. You have a choice - deploy or release.

If buddy's ROTP, there shouldn't be an option for him to release during his obligatory service.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2011, 20:26:16 »
If buddy's ROTP, there shouldn't be an option for him to release during his obligatory service.

Don't you have to pay back your schooling immediately if you VR after ROTP/RMC?

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2011, 20:28:44 »
Release is a right all service members share.

During periods of obligatory service incurred through subsidized education, members may have financial penalty for early release.  Payment plans can be arranged should the individual be reasonably unable to repay the monies prior to release.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2011, 21:13:19 »
If buddy's ROTP, there shouldn't be an option for him to release during his obligatory service.

The question wasn't about him, but about her as a Dental Technician.  She as a Regular Force member would have to deploy if so ordered to do so.  It is only Reservists who have the "voluntary" option to deploy or not.  I am pretty sure that there are no Reservists as Dental Techs, so that option is out.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2011, 21:58:22 »
Release is a right all service members share.


No.  They do not.  An order-in-council placed all members of the Regular Force on Active Service as of 1989.  Members on active service have no right of release.  Per the NDA.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2011, 12:19:33 »
I am pretty sure that there are no Reservists as Dental Techs, so that option is out.

That option is available in the PRes world. A Detal Det is part of the Field Ambulance composition. This calls for up to 4/5 Pte/Cpl Dental techs. However, since majority of Field Ambs do not posess the infrastructures to propperly employ a Dental Tech in the PRes world, I would say that this point is moot.

When I was RctO, I had a perfectly qualified Dental Assistant that wanted to enroll as a Dental Tech. I remember going through quite a bit to find out if and how I could enroll one. Almost had to justify why/how we needed one, and how to employ them on a 1 night a week, 1 weekend a month basis. This is with the Brigade MIR right down stairs from my LOC. By the time I got a "yes, go ahead and start it" the applicant with drew and moved on to other things.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2011, 00:38:57 »
This thread is about if this individual can use the military to gain free training and get paid for it, while not doing so for the sake of the Forces but rather for her own reasons.

Based on the fact that you don't want to actually serve in the military, it probably isn't for you.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2011, 02:30:14 »
This thread is about if this individual can use the military to gain free training and get paid for it, while not doing so for the sake of the Forces but rather for her own reasons.

Based on the fact that you don't want to actually serve in the military, it probably isn't for you.

She said she wants to join after she's done school. Not as if she would be the first person to enroll for purely financial benefits anyway.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2011, 06:56:41 »
Why would "thought of being deployed frighten" you? What is to fear? You'd most likely just be working in a dental clinic of some sort, but in a different location.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2011, 09:01:25 »
Why would "thought of being deployed frighten" you? What is to fear? You'd most likely just be working in a dental clinic of some sort, but in a different location.

 As a mother of two, with a husband who is reg force and could be ordered away, there is a fair reason for any involved mother to be nervous about being deployed overseas. It's a hard task, as many know, to leave your children with someone else for what might potentially be a long period of time.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2011, 09:05:14 »
I am a mother of two currently in school to be a dental assistant, my fiance is planning on joing the ROTP next year and I have been considering enlisting once I am done school. My question is, a friend of mine whos husband is in the Canadian military said that deployment in Canada is not mandatory and they can not force you to go. I would really like to be a dental technician on base but the thought of being deloployed frightens me.  Is this true or is this false information?

If you join the Regular Force (full time), you can be posted anywhere in Canada, or sent anywhere else the Canadian Forces has a sizeable presence. This includes the possibility of operational deployment overseas.

With that said, dental techs are not a trade that would be 'forward deployed' outside of a major base into a small outpost; they would be kept back at a major medical facility, which means a major, secured base. Short of having extraordinarily bad luck and having a rocket land on your head, you're probably safer inside one of these bases than you are crossing the street in any major city.

Now, the very small odds of being subject to violence aside, serving overseas may mean relatively austere conditions, crappy hours, mediocre food, and n uncomfortable climate. But serving overseas is also recompensed with substantially higher pay.

One thing you need to factor in is the possibility that you and your husband may be posted to different bases within Canada. Usually the military's pretty good about posting service couples to the same base, but depending on your husband's trade he may eventually pe posted somewhere that doesn't have openings for dental techs, and you might spend a couple years apart. Hopefully someone form the dental field can speak more specifically to how much opportunity there is for a dental tech to follow their spouse.

So overall I'd say that Dental Tech is as 'safe' a trade as you can find, and that even if you're deployed, the only real challenge will be crappier conditions than you're used to. But with that said, if you're unwilling to contemplate the thought of deploying overseas, then don't join up.
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