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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2004, 17:10:53 »
What about physical fitness ArmyMedic? ;D

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2004, 17:16:05 »
Winning the battle/removing the threat/danger
Hope is not a valid COA

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2004, 20:00:09 »
Wetgrunt, MJP,

It is essential on both points.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2004, 20:21:25 »
Further, this point is not correct...

From RN RPN quote "A infantry coy is lucky to have a medic in our real world and no CSM would squander that resource by sending them out on patrol."

In your world maybe.  In mine, a medic is supposed to be tasked to each infantry platoon. Thats 3 medics per coy, and yes we do go on patrols....Platoon fighting patrols, Coy ambushes, as long as its bigger then a section, we go. Back to basic battlecraft.

This point I agree with...

from ParaMedTech quote "The tactical combat casualty care course is good, will save lives, and has undoubted benefit, but it is not a replacement for a trained prehospital professional; it is the actions that professional takes under austere and dangerous conditions to save lives.  It is a standard of care appropriate for a hostile environment."

And this is why pigeonholing our training to that narrow scope (PCP only) is NOT the way to go. QL3 reg force med techs should do this course. Also they should pass the SQ type course as well prior to graduating QL 3 and arriving at thier units.

And BTW,

From Cbt medic quote
"But, as was mentioned earlier, the only MLOC covered at medical units is C7 and a basic unload of some of the support weapons. It's supposed to be C7, C9, C6,  M72, Carl G and grenade TOETs, fieldcraft, NBCD and first aid. You also have to pass your yearly PWT. Can you honestly tell me of a medical unit that does that every year?"

2 FD AMB does. Ands its TOETs on all weapons, plus BFT, Nav ex, Mine Awareness and coming in the future AFV recognition. And we do it every yr.

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2004, 19:32:34 »


When we were discussing the med support we were specifically referring to the reserve on Ex. They request med support as they do not have intrinsic UMS facilities within their own units. Depending on the training they may get one medic or an Amb with two.
I know that when a unit has a larger UMS capability then by all means send medics out on platoon level events. If a medic is attached to a platoon and the platoon moves then it goes with reason that the medic goes too.
In this scenario it would be foolish to sent some of this resource out with a patrol when they can easily respond from a central identifyable location easier and more rapidly.So my point was correct as I was referring to med support for a reserve infantry unit on ex.
With the change in unit designators there was no change in manning. Most reserve Field Amb units operate at the Coy or Platoon level at best. Changing the name does not change the reality of medics on the ground unless some changes are made that have been discussed earlier in the thread.


As for the MLOC training: my unit does TOETs for all the service weapons and has SME instructors for these from the infantry. The PWT has been done every year with the exception of last year as the Brigade decreed that it was not required. We are out of that brigade system now and therefore are carrying on with training as before. Yes we field craft, nav, NBCD, Mine Awareness. We are limited in the amount of PT we can actually evaluate each year but I ensure that my platoon does the Express test and 13 K march each year. If they do not pass the above then they do not get nominated for courses or taskings.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2004, 12:33:59 »
RN PRN,

ref your first paragraph, ack, my bad.

We should get across that there are a bit of a diffrence between res and reg Fd Ambs and the types of training we all do. Especially IRT time, money and resources.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2004, 20:09:53 »
Absolutely,

Once we realize that there are differences then we can get going on integration and proper utilization of both res and reg med support. I suspect that there will be more in common then not but, and this is a big but, those differences will have to be addressed or acknowledged for combined training and taskings. This board is the only place I am aware of that all members regardless of rank can air their concerns and recommendations with out fear of jumping the chain or being viewed as out of turn. Now if we can only get the group at CFMG HQ to read the board we would be in great shape.

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2004, 20:59:51 »
Don't kid yourself, I think a lot more higher-ups read here more than we think.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2004, 22:21:20 »
I know a couple who do....
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2004, 17:37:13 »
For an infantry unit that goes to the field with Platoon strength and sends the entire platoon on a fighting patrol, raid or ambush, does it not make sense to send a medic with them? What point would there be to have the medic sitting in the background when everyone on ex is going to be on patrol? If med support is going to be kilometres away from where all the troops are, then it really invalidates the presence of med support at all, and would make more sense to simply call civilian medical authorities in case of emergency, who could drive to a casualty in the time it would take them to be carried out.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2004, 18:10:27 »
What about physical fitness ArmyMedic? ;D

That's a very good question.  A medic isn't much good if they are constantly the casualty themselves.  We had one medic that was attached to us for an EX and she was really fit and keen, but that doesn't seem to be the case 90% of the time.  We wanted to get her permanently attached to us....but....she went Reg F.  :'(

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2004, 19:30:12 »
mclipper,
fitness is the foundation of a good soldier regardless of the trade.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2004, 20:14:46 »
You are right!  No doubt about that!  Unfortunately, maybe just our bad luck, we keep getting medics who go down with hypothermia, blisters, march is too fast, too long, too sunny out, moons aren't aligned right......you name it.  The biggest saying is "throw me over the fence and dial 911".

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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2004, 17:21:11 »
Forgive the lateness of my reply to all of this drivel.   I just had this site pointed out to me today.   Although a lot of information is to be gained from all this posting and replying, I found a lot of comments totally insulting.   For example, the one that got to me the most... >:(

......Of the medics on my PLQ from 3 different Med Coys, none had done a full MLOC since they joined.

Along with all the other comments in reference to this PLQ.   I was on it and I can't believe the amount of half-truths and lies.   3 of the 5 medics on the course, myself included, were from the same unit.   I'm pretty sure I didn't dream the MLOC I do every, sometimes twice per year.   I also know we do this training because as leadership I have to write people off as having it done.   No MLOC or MCSP = no summer taskings in the medical field.     

As for the later quotes about Medics should have been RTU'd, I know one who should have been and eventually left the course.   I didn't find and lectures rushed and the instructors often volunteered their extra time to come in at night and make sure everyone understood what was going on.   In fact when it was all said and done, we were able to thank those instructors for all their hard work. BUT,   I assume you would know that had you actually COMPLETED the course.

   Well, this soap box is a little to tall for me...too bad others aren't afraid of heights.  
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2004, 17:40:37 »
The point that was made about MLOC (as you may have noticed if you read the entire thread) is that the med coys are not expected to complete MLOC to the same standard as the rest of the army. Perhaps you may not remember watching the infantry candidates having to not only run TOETs on support weapons, but to teach them as well, aften between classes and late at night. Maybe you forgot that, or weren't paying attention, because I'm pretty sure I didn't dream that up either. In any case, if units were running complete MLOC with all infantry support weapons, this obviously would be unecessary.

By the admission of everyone here, no medical units run complete MLOC courses (including all drills on all Pl support weapons, PWTs, fieldcraft, NBCD, mine awareness, navigation, first aid etc.), and said that they don't have to. Also, on course, you stated that while you did some weapons drills on in MLOC, it was not the complete MLOC course that the infantry go through, exactly what has already been stated by various other members of Med Coys. This was the same statement I got from the other medics, and most of the Svc Bn candidates as well. Unless everyone was (and still is) lying about this, all I have been trying to do is address a systemic problem with the MLOC program, in that a great many people fail to complete the course in its entirety; which is causing problems in the combined arms training.

As for medics being RTUd, there was no naming names, but rather a very general statement about people not completing the course pre-requisites who should not be sent on course. You may wish to re-read the previous posts a little more carefully. Would you send a troop on a course that you honestly didn't think they were prepared for? Do you think it's fair to the other candidates who did complete all the pre-requisites?

As for the petty $hit slinging and personal insults, you're welcome to sit alone on your soap box. You should also be aware that going behind someone's back to spread rumours about them to members of their unit while on exercise, and generally behaving like a junior high school child is also not the kind of decorum and professionalism that are needed in the Canadian Forces. Feel free to take it elsewhere.
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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2004, 18:05:56 »
My, how self-important we are. You can take your accusations  and stuff them.   

As for the petty $hit slinging and personal insults, you're welcome to sit alone on your soap box. You should also be aware that going behind someone's back to spread rumours about them to members of their unit while on exercise, and generally behaving like a junior high school child is also not the kind of decorum and professionalism that are needed in the Canadian Forces. Feel free to take it elsewhere.

I have never and will never spread rumors about anyone.  See, that would be slander and slander is chargeable.  And how the hell could I spread rumors on exercise with your unit when I'm not even from BC? Who's accusing now, genius? Well I'm out, I have better things to do than waste my time on you.  Write whatever witty comeback you can think of, No one really cares what you say.

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2004, 19:21:59 »
I have never and will never spread rumors about anyone. See, that would be slander and slander is chargeable. And how the heck could I spread rumors on exercise with your unit when I'm not even from BC?

Then you weren't on Op Peregrine? The troops who told me invented your name, rank and unit out of thin air (they had a very accurate physical description of you as well, btw)?

Since you have no "time to waste", although you seem to have had time enough to be insulting, then by all means leave. And with regards to the huge axe you have to grind with me after more than a year since we even spoke; get over it. If you don't move on and let things go, you're going to give yourself an ulcer.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2004, 20:04:25 »
My, how self-important we are. You can take your accusations  and stuff them.   


I have never and will never spread rumors about anyone.  See, that would be slander and slander is chargeable.  And how the hell could I spread rumors on exercise with your unit when I'm not even from BC? Who's accusing now, genius? Well I'm out, I have better things to do than waste my time on you.  Write whatever witty comeback you can think of, No one really cares what you say.


She's actually proven her worth, to the Forces in general and to this board in particular, time and time again.  She is extremely well respected by the directing staff. 

You, however, are advised that insults and namecalling won't be permitted here as a matter of course.  If you have issues, I suggest you take them to PM, or if you are truly as brave as you say, perhaps in person.

Maybe this needs to be locked up.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2004, 20:41:15 »
No kidding Michael.

Medic937, welcome to our house, who the frig are you?
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2004, 08:05:21 »
What needs to be locked is not the thread...

but this personal vendetta.

Nothing I hate more is when two women don't get along/don't work well together because of some petty statement, precieved insult, slight action which we men would just ignore....

And I see it too much in MY TRADE to put it up with it here.
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2004, 08:35:10 »
What needs to be locked is not the thread...

but this personal vendetta.

Nothing I hate more is when two women don't get along/don't work well together because of some petty statement, precieved insult, slight action which we men would just ignore....

And I see it too much in MY TRADE to put it up with it here.

You freaking jerk, what you're really saying is that you think I'm fat.  Aren't you.  AREN'T YOU!!!! 
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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2004, 17:12:18 »
Armymedic: how true. Sometimes I think that men handle such things better; have a row, throw a few punches, then shake hands and have a beer. Problem solved. I find women tend to hold grudges forever.
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« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2004, 18:55:26 »
Children...children...children....

No, medics don't do the full MLOC.  We do what we are mandated by our headquarters to do.  The last time I did the full MLOC it was 5 full training days.  Doing this and the new bigger MCSP would leave most Reserve medical units with time (& money!) for little else in the training year.  If such training is required, ie pre-deployment, then those medics needing it will make it up.

All the support waepon training is more applicable to the cbt arms as that is their trade.  We medics have our own trade requirements to maintain which includes yearly MSCP, yearly CPR-C, current SFA, BTLS, AMFR, and whatever civilian quals you maintain.  It is in itself an onerous task to organize and maintain on a Cl A schedule and budget without adding the extra "could knows".  I believe that if some individuals turned down the "combat" and turned up the "medic" parts of their careers they would find it much more harmonious.

On an aside, it never fails to amuse me how many people think that PLQ/JNCO/ISCC is the be all and end all of their and other's military careers.  Many people excel at these courses but are only fair to middling leaders mainly because they don't play well with others.  Others squeak thorough the courses and make excellant leaders because they can apply the principles they were taught and relate to people better.  Leading section attacks and teaching C-6 lectures are a means to an end not an end in itself.  As the Commandant of the RMA said,"At Sandhurst we don't teach platoon commanding we use platoon commanding to teach leadership." :dontpanic:

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2004, 12:38:05 »
I have been in long enough to remember completing full MLOC/Warrior/DLOC (whatever you want to call it) and remember feeling a little disappointed when it changed to the scaled back model. Recently I brought this thread up to friends (infantry types) and asked their opinion.

While I might feel a stronger affection for the soldier skills ( I do believe CSS needs to be fit and functional and psychologically well balanced; I also believe in field presence), I know that I am not ever going to be a C-6, Karl G (mis-spelled), M-72 expert. I do not require to be trained to operate weapons that would contravene the principles of the geneva convention (if it came down to it I am sure I could figure it out in a pinch). I do miss the weapons (I really like the weapons). I suppose as I get older I understand the challenges and triumphs we have as medics in maintaining the most complex weapon in the world, the human soldier, and I can be relaxed about not being as proficient as our combat arms soldiers on those weapons. After all it is their job to be competent on them, I don't expect them to be able to be EMR's (not hard, but time consuming-like the weapons)...I at least expect them to be combat first aiders.

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Re: Medical Assistant
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2004, 17:48:58 »
While I believe any medic who employed in the fd role should do full MLOC/ELOC level training, when I see a unit like 3 RCR complaining because they don't have enough ammo, range time, practice to qualify the 031's of the unit, I am forced to rethink my position...

For us, there is really no reason to be given extensive classes on the larger weapons and actually shoot them all on the range every yr. Because ammo = $, I'd rather see trg $ go to medically based training vs the big boom down range. Things we NEED to cont doing is the heavier wpns C6, Carl G, grenades famil and dry training. We NEED to shoot C7 PWT 1 to qualify(I'd prefer level 3 but...), and I like to see a 200 rd C9 shoot every yr or 2.

With that said the wpns portion, the remainder of MLOC level training shouldn't change from yr to yr, and for some reason NBC seems to take a back seat every yr.
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