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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2007, 14:17:12 »
True, bamboo is a grass.  However, for a cane of office, Bamboo should suffice.  The silver pommel and tips protected the cane from most dings.... note that in 2001, when I handed over same said bamboo cane (2001 - 1929 = 72 yrs old) it still looked good.

With respect to a pace stick, it is a training aid and should be used.  It is not a ceremonial item like the cane.  It should be used for instruction and then put away.  As such, Pine or maple are both good woods for said use.
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2007, 14:32:11 »
The "pimp stick" we made was only carried once on the BRSM's change of command parade as a picture piece.It lives in a glass case in HQ till it is needed for another parade.
I agree about the wood selection.We use maple for almost all of the canes we make unless the person supplies us with the wood.I personally like the look of the grain after a couple of coats of stock sheen is on it.
As far as the shiny bits,the 20 mm and .50 cal casing is the easiest to acquire.We just call up ammo and they send them up.We also custom build allot of our hardware dependent on wether or not it needs to be engraved,availability of 20 mm etc.
At the tip,what does everyone prefer? We machine a steel point and fit it to the 50 casing,which I thinks looks much better than the standard blunt tip.On occasion,we've also fitted an actual projectile on the end as well(allot of us reload as a hobby).
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2007, 15:25:23 »
Hardwood, varnish finish, total length 91.25 cm. 3.25 cm  diameter at the top, tapering to 2cm at the bottom, brass metal ferrule at the top 11.25 cm in length, brass metal ferrule at the bottom 6.75 cm in length.

The length is formal, IIRC, the metal ferrule lengths and styles are based on unit custom. Often the top ferrule also sports an ORs cap badge.

Save a lot of trouble and cost. Go to the hardware store. Buy a maple or hickory mop handle and turn that down. You'll know it's straight and dry. If it's for the armoured guys, grain is immaterial. It'll be finished black anyway. Put it on the lathe and taper it to length. This is also a good time to sand and finish with something like a french polish

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DO NOT USE LIVE AMMO FOR THIS!!!!

For hardware, use a .50 for one end and a 20 mm for the top cap. Use a pipe or tube cutter to separate the casings at the desired length.

For the .50 end, if you have the bullet or a turned plug for the end, drill a pilot hole in the centre of the base and insert a double ended screw stud. Insert the bullet into the mouth of the casing and silversolder it in place. Put the whole thing over the end of the cane and screw it in.

For the large end, drill out the primer hole in the 20mm (make sure the things been fired!  ;) ). Put the case over the end of the cane and screw a brass wood screw through the primer hole into the cane.

Polish up the whole thing, give it a good coat of paste wax, and your done.
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2007, 16:20:56 »
I like the mop handle idea - hadn't thought of that myself.  Many will also be made of ash - as you point out if it's for an armoured fellow, it's going to be black anyway.

Black Walnut makes a beautiful walking stick - but it's mucho $$.

As someone above pointed out, pine and other softwoods are not as durable as the hardwoods - if this is a presentation piece that will be mounted on a wall somewhere, the softwoods are fine.  If it's to be a "working" cane, I'd stick with a hardwood - maple, hickory.

Someone asked about the hardware for a pace stick - gun plumber can straighten me out here, but I'd use a brass knife hinge for the pivot point, and custom make the "protractor" part from brass.
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2007, 21:06:42 »
not to make a fine point but I think the use of bamboo is actualy ratan .

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2007, 22:39:28 »
not to make a fine point but I think the use of bamboo is actualy ratan .

I'm not sure what you're driving at here.  Bamboo is, in fact, a grass (it's hollow).  "Ratan" is a generic name for a number of plants, sometimes including bamboo.  The reference to ratan usually (but not always) refers to a "switich", used for punishment - sometimes made of bamboo, sometimes made of other things - in North America, such a "swtich" is usually made of whatever is handy - sometimes hickory (my *** still remembers it - even though my Mother never heard of "ratan").

Rattan also refers to a style of furniture - notably "peacock" type bamboo chairs.  Rattan is NOT a "style" of furniture - but the word has been co-opted to mean that over the years - so perhaps, in the spirit of the English language, it IS a "style" of furniture.

You may hear of "ratan" furniture in the Ikea catalogues of the world - they are usually referring to bamboo. 

BTW - "ratan" is also sometimes spelled "rattan" - either way works.

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2007, 23:24:25 »
did not wish to create any controversy on this subject

rattan is a type of palm native to jungle areas it is solid not hollow like bamboo can grow to several hundred feet in length the outer layer is removed for use in caning chairs etc. the stock is used in furniture making etc.

google images of rattan to see it being harvested etc.


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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2007, 23:53:03 »
I disagree with your definition - but it's not worth arguing over here - feel free to PM me if you want to pursue it.

Suffice to say - bamboo (or rattan) can make a dandy walking stick/pace stick.

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2007, 00:07:28 »
I think he is referring to the Officers' "Ratan" cane.

M. O"leary may offer some advice on that.

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2007, 00:11:14 »
I think he is referring to the Officers' "Ratan" cane.

M. O"leary may offer some advice on that.

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What're you saying - Mr. O'Leary is into "caning" his subordinates?

I don't believe it for a minute - on the other hand - reviewing some of his posts ....
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2007, 00:22:51 »
obviously,

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2007, 00:30:24 »
What're you saying - Mr. O'Leary is into "caning" his subordinates?

If they were subordinate, they wouldn't need the cane.

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2007, 00:31:31 »
Oh!  It hurts so good!

All that - and definitions, aside - making a drill cane or walking stick is not a "skill free" endeavor.

Whatever material one chooses to use, that material needs attention to its properties and propensities - a warped and/or twisted drill cane is not the desired end-state.

Frankly - I think following recceguy's advice is the best way to go.


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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2007, 08:35:28 »
Roy,
while I am 100% in agreement with you that bamboo makes a dandy cane / walking stick, I don't think it would cut it, over time, as a real pace stick... Light as heck, it would make a dandy pacestick for drill competitions - just not suitable for a DS at a recruit school.
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2007, 08:50:57 »
I saw a beauty turned down from a hickory shovel handle, about $6.00 at Peavey Mart.  The grain really popped out, and almost bullet proof.
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