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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #425 on: December 08, 2018, 13:24:50 »
I only have one small qualm with the most recent incarnation of the NCD: Navy blue like that, how friggin hot is it going to be if you have to work on deck for a while in Tropical or Equatorial waters?

My good man you should know one doesn't hunt U-Boats in the North Atlantic(proper navy task) in a uniform appropriate for wear in the Med, Caribbean, South China Sea, Indian Ocean, Arabian Gulf, etc.(the places we actually operationally deploy)

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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #426 on: December 08, 2018, 13:32:46 »
Actually, Stoker Dave, the NCD were a huge (pronounced "à la Trump!") improvement over their predecessor: The CAF all-polyester work/garrison dress.

However, I am in full agreement that the requirements for a Naval Combat Dress are, in order of importance:

1) Does it protect from known personnel safety risks;
2) Is it easy to maintain; and,
3) is it comfortable to wear.

The good looking part is just a bonus if it can be fitted in there somehow.

I only have one small qualm with the most recent incarnation of the NCD: Navy blue like that, how friggin hot is it going to be if you have to work on deck for a while in Tropical or Equatorial waters?

Its already been trialed in Africa successfully.
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #427 on: December 08, 2018, 14:12:25 »
I only have one small qualm with the most recent incarnation of the NCD: Navy blue like that, how friggin hot is it going to be if you have to work on deck for a while in Tropical or Equatorial waters?

You take off the top layer and work in a T-shirt like army types.  Which is the intent AFAIK.  Only ones I truly worry about is the FP component.  All that black gear under a black flack jacket/black helmet.

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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #428 on: December 10, 2018, 09:25:43 »
As I am currently working at a large industrial site, the safety clothing is to protect workers from hazards. 

Workers wear highly reflective clothing to make them more visible to vehicles, crane operators, etc. when working in the dark or low-light conditions.  Collisions between heavy equipment and workers is a major hazard and the safety clothing helps to mitigate that risk 

So while I know there are times when the ships have to be 'dark' I would think there are plenty of times when a bit of extra visibility would be helpful (e.g. night RAS and fueling operations, rescue operations, ship blackout due to power failure, firefighting in the dark, etc.).  It would make it easier to know who was where in the dark.  I am curious if there was any discussion on the risks and benefits of putting some reflective materials on that clothing.  On the plus side, during normal peacetime operations it may improve worker safety but obviously during operations it could be a detriment. 

Any thoughts on how that played out? 

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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #429 on: December 10, 2018, 09:44:09 »
As I am currently working at a large industrial site, the safety clothing is to protect workers from hazards. 

Workers wear highly reflective clothing to make them more visible to vehicles, crane operators, etc. when working in the dark or low-light conditions.  Collisions between heavy equipment and workers is a major hazard and the safety clothing helps to mitigate that risk 

So while I know there are times when the ships have to be 'dark' I would think there are plenty of times when a bit of extra visibility would be helpful (e.g. night RAS and fueling operations, rescue operations, ship blackout due to power failure, firefighting in the dark, etc.).  It would make it easier to know who was where in the dark.  I am curious if there was any discussion on the risks and benefits of putting some reflective materials on that clothing.  On the plus side, during normal peacetime operations it may improve worker safety but obviously during operations it could be a detriment. 

Any thoughts on how that played out?

We do have a new floater jacket that just came out that is more visible with neon yellow on the collar instead of red.
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #430 on: December 10, 2018, 22:11:38 »
Picked up the new style floater jacket today, seems heavier than the old one and it came with a fleece liner to wear underneath. The liner can act as your second layer.

The black fleece liner is a great piece of kit!
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #431 on: December 10, 2018, 23:54:56 »
The black fleece liner is a great piece of kit!

Do you need to wear it with a toque and gloves though?   :rofl:
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #432 on: December 11, 2018, 02:41:23 »
Its already been trialed in Africa successfully.
We also "trialed" CADPAT TW in Afghanistan back in the day... Just because the troops made use of a less than ideal uniform doesn't mean it's a good idea. We spend a lot of time in hot climates, we need a naval operations uniform suited to the task. Removing a black layer to make black t-shirts the outer layer is lazy and quite frankly embarrassing. The Germans have tropical uniforms, and somehow Canada can't make a tropical uniform happen.

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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #434 on: December 17, 2018, 23:35:46 »
We also "trialed" CADPAT TW in Afghanistan back in the day... Just because the troops made use of a less than ideal uniform doesn't mean it's a good idea. We spend a lot of time in hot climates, we need a naval operations uniform suited to the task. Removing a black layer to make black t-shirts the outer layer is lazy and quite frankly embarrassing. The Germans have tropical uniforms, and somehow Canada can't make a tropical uniform happen.

Well, the RCAF has a bunch of tan flight suits in stock...   :whistle:
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #435 on: December 21, 2018, 22:22:05 »
Besides HMCS Calgary, some sailors on HMCS Ville de Québec are wearing it:

https://www.facebook.com/CRCN.CMRC/posts/2148242915426936?__tn__=-R

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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #436 on: December 22, 2018, 00:34:10 »
Is it just me or does the RCN Chief's shirt look really long compared to the other two?
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #437 on: December 22, 2018, 08:34:16 »
Well, you've got NCD, coveralls with jacket, and Arid CADPAT/apparently unbloused.  I like it;  it seems like the Staff said "the Admiral wants a photo op, and the VdQ Capt said "OK, but we've got work to do, don't take up too much of the crews' time."

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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #438 on: December 22, 2018, 11:32:30 »
Well, you've got NCD, coveralls with jacket, and Arid CADPAT/apparently unbloused.  I like it;  it seems like the Staff said "the Admiral wants a photo op, and the VdQ Capt said "OK, but we've got work to do, don't take up too much of the crews' time."

   ;D

I mean, there are Cleaning Stations to be done!   :nod:
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #439 on: January 14, 2019, 12:57:06 »
NAVGEN 018/18 —  RCN Dress and Clothing Update - 01/2018

12. NAVAL ENHANCED COMBAT UNIFORM (NECU):
A. USER TRIALS FOR THE FIRST PROTOTYPE UNIFORMS TO REPLACE THE
CURRENT NCD UNIFORM COMPLETED IN NOVEMBER 2017
B. BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE FIRST USER TRIALLED PROTOTYPE, AN
UPDATED VERSION WAS PRODUCED AND REVIEWED BY COMD RCN IN JANUARY
2018. A FURTHER REFINED SPECIFICATION AND THIRD PROTOTYPE IS
ANTICIPATED TO BE REVIEWED FOR APPROVAL CONSIDERATION IN SPRING 2018.
CONTINGENT UPON THIS FINAL PROTOTYPE APPROVAL. IT IS ANTICIPATED
THAT APPROVED NECU WOULD BE READY TO COMMENCE ISSUE LATE 2019 OR
EARLY 2020

C. PARTICIPANTS OF THE INITIAL NECU TRIAL CONTINUE TO BE AUTHORIZED
TO WEAR TRIAL NECU
D. THE NECU WILL CONSIST OF TWO LAYERS (T-SHIRT AND NECU SHIRT)
RESULTING IN A NAVAL FLEECE TO BE INTRODUCED AS AN INTERMEDIATE
ARTICLE OF CLOTHING. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THIS ITEM WILL BE
INTRODUCED AFTER NECU IS AVAILABLE
13. NEW SUBMARINE COVERALL:
A. CURRENTLY FILE IS WITH ADM(MAT) FOR CONTRACTING
B. IT IS BEING PLANNED TO CONDUCT A PROOF OF CONCEPT TRIAL IN 2018
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #440 on: January 14, 2019, 14:03:12 »
Well, the RCAF has a bunch of tan flight suits in stock...   :whistle:

And they are probably flame resistant too, which is awesome, right?
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #441 on: January 14, 2019, 16:09:42 »
NAVGEN 018/18 —  RCN Dress and Clothing Update - 01/2018

12. NAVAL ENHANCED COMBAT UNIFORM (NECU):
A. USER TRIALS FOR THE FIRST PROTOTYPE UNIFORMS TO REPLACE THE
CURRENT NCD UNIFORM COMPLETED IN NOVEMBER 2017
B. BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE FIRST USER TRIALLED PROTOTYPE, AN
UPDATED VERSION WAS PRODUCED AND REVIEWED BY COMD RCN IN JANUARY
2018. A FURTHER REFINED SPECIFICATION AND THIRD PROTOTYPE IS
ANTICIPATED TO BE REVIEWED FOR APPROVAL CONSIDERATION IN SPRING 2018.
CONTINGENT UPON THIS FINAL PROTOTYPE APPROVAL. IT IS ANTICIPATED
THAT APPROVED NECU WOULD BE READY TO COMMENCE ISSUE LATE 2019 OR
EARLY 2020

C. PARTICIPANTS OF THE INITIAL NECU TRIAL CONTINUE TO BE AUTHORIZED
TO WEAR TRIAL NECU
D. THE NECU WILL CONSIST OF TWO LAYERS (T-SHIRT AND NECU SHIRT)
RESULTING IN A NAVAL FLEECE TO BE INTRODUCED AS AN INTERMEDIATE
ARTICLE OF CLOTHING. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THIS ITEM WILL BE
INTRODUCED AFTER NECU IS AVAILABLE
13. NEW SUBMARINE COVERALL:
A. CURRENTLY FILE IS WITH ADM(MAT) FOR CONTRACTING
B. IT IS BEING PLANNED TO CONDUCT A PROOF OF CONCEPT TRIAL IN 2018

The naval fleece can act as your second layer of clothing and is being issued now with the new floater coat.
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Re: Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]
« Reply #442 on: January 14, 2019, 18:23:01 »
And they are probably flame resistant too, which is awesome, right?

Sort of...the real protection comes when it is combined with the cotton (well, mostly cotton) baselayer to make the 'dual layer' system air and flight crew wear wear.
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