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Re: Swords
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2007, 10:18:56 »
I don't have an issue with working with you on this if you are interested

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Re: Swords
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2007, 12:06:28 »
don't forget to add in a gold wire (or leather) knot.
(might as well get some kidd leather gloves too while you're at it)
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Re: Swords
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2007, 12:09:43 »
Sword knots are also in stock. White leather gloves will be about 2 weeks

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Re: Swords
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2007, 15:33:47 »
Hello all,

Thank you for starting this thread, I have always had an interest in swords. Especially those of the Canadian military....

I have been attending a fencing club for a few years now, and would like to make a few comments regarding swordplay.

First of all, never engage in swordplay using live (sharp) blades.

Never engage in contact fencing without a proper fencing mask. The human face is terribly designed when it comes to swordplay, any errant strike near your face will likely end up being guided into your eye by the contours of your face.

A good swordsperson always tries to avoid contact between blades. Aside from being a sign of ignorance, it leads to the bad habit of attacking the opponent's blade, rather than the opponent. The random clashing of steel is poor form, and to be discouraged highly.

I would highly recommend joining a local fencing club. You will learn more than you ever expected. If you carry a sword you should know how to use it, in my opinion. Fencing is also a surprisingly good workout.

Start with a foil, you will pick up good habits and be able to surprise those who skipped directly to sabre. They tend to forget that their sword has a point.

If you are looking for a way to compete with swords, then perhaps you could set up a target cutting competition. See how many targets you can cut through in a certain time, or before your sword gets too dull. Slicing apples that are thrown at you or catching them on the point of your sword is another option.

These are just a few suggestions. I am civilian and have no experience with how the Canadian military handles training with swords. If I am out of line in any way then I apologize.

Best Wishes,

-Rick


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Re: Swords
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2007, 15:43:16 »
Hi Rick! Thanks for that informative post! The CF no longer uses the sword as a weapon for its officers, and all of our swords are used purely for ceremonial purposes. I dont know about anyone else but I would rather refrain from dueling with swords with one of my fellow officers.  :D But who knows one of these days that tradition might just be revived and all of us officers and gentlemen/women may have to once again defend our honour!

I do wan to look into fencing though. Looks like such a cool sport! :D
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Re: Swords
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2007, 15:47:21 »
I don't have an issue with working with you on this if you are interested

Thanks for that Dave, but I'm at a point in my career (YES Reservists have a 'career' too  ;)) where I'm sort of undecided to where it's going to lead me, that's why I'm trying to search for the best sword for the best price (read inexpensive) that I can parade with and not worry too much about the consequences if I decide what I'm going to do. I mean, it would really be counterproductive if I spent that much money on a Wilkonson just to have to switch to another sword.. ie. the Naval Officers Pattern right?  ;D

But once again thank you Dave. I do still want those gloves though! :)
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Re: Swords
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2007, 16:13:58 »
MedTech,
Regarding training w/ sword, what about the mounted troop the Strathcona's have? I saw the tail end of their performance here in Vancouver at the PNE and, I was impressed. While this is a leaky arguement it goes to show we still have some real live trained-for-more-than-ceremonial sword wavers.
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Re: Swords
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2007, 16:45:12 »
*shrug* I wouldnt know :) never seen em. BUT I guess you could argue that, but in a war fighting sense, not really there is it?
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Re: Swords
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2007, 17:44:39 »
Hi Rick! Thanks for that informative post! The CF no longer uses the sword as a weapon for its officers, and all of our swords are used purely for ceremonial purposes.

Drunken subbies have been known to draw the blade & tempt fate........
(that's all I will say)
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Re: Swords
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2007, 21:13:11 »
Drunken subbies have been known to draw the blade & tempt fate........
(that's all I will say)

hehehehe US?! NEVER!!  ;)
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Re: Swords
« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2007, 21:18:39 »
GGHG in Toronto also has a Cavalry Sqn and do the same sort of "old school" cavalry training that the Strathcona Mounted Troop does:

http://www.maharaj.org/cavalry.shtml


Agreed with the post above, fencing is a good sport to work on mind, reflexes and aggression.  When you move from foil through epee to sabre it really becomes 'whole body' combative.

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Re: Swords
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2007, 19:27:56 »
I have a question about damage to my cadet corps' sword. When it is out of the scabbard it has a funky smell, I have no clue as to what it is but I think it is coming from the scabbard itself. As well there is some damage to the blade, I don't really know how to describe it so I've attached some pictures.

Does anybody know what could be causing the smell and does anybody know what the damage to the blade is from? Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Swords
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2007, 19:45:08 »
You should never leave a sword in scabbard. In you must oiled it once in wild. The smell is humidity that starting rotten your scabbard.The blade is been damage by the humidity in your scabbard.
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Re: Swords
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2007, 21:10:19 »
Is there anything I can do to clean out the scabbard and fix the damage?

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Re: Swords
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2007, 21:30:03 »
Hello,

Too bad about your sword and scabbard....

This is just my opinion, but I'd see if I could get a new scabbard. An exact replacement if possible, perhaps your Quartermaster could assist?

As far as the blade goes, I personally don't mind a bit of honest wear. It looks like a decent polish would take care of most of it though. If you could talk a jeweller into hitting it with a buffer and some jeweller's rouge then I have no doubt it would throw light like a mirror once more.

Best Wishes,

-Rick

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Re: Swords
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2007, 21:35:21 »
Seems like Oxidation. I have a few swords in my home. I use this metal cleaner that is good for jewelry (so it isnt tough, and you may have to reapply a few times to get your sword up to standard) that I got from Canadian Tire. This cleaner (its like a blue paste, comes in a pressurized bottle or a squeeze tube) will eliminate the oxidation. Make sure to clean it all off as oxidation creates a slow burning process on most metals which overtime results in rust.

If you have noticed small little brown specs, that is rust beginning to formulat. However, the cleaner I metioned (sorry for not knowing the name of it, but Im sure if you gor to CT one of the emplyees will know) should remove the small rust spots. If that does not work, use rust remover (the light ones designed specifically for chrome, which will be found in the auto department in CT).

After doing all that, apply oil and good luck  :salute:!
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Re: Swords
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2007, 21:43:52 »
You should put you scabbard in a dry place for a week or so. You should use steel wool to clean the blade  then have your blade polish by some one in the knife world.Then get your self a can of renaissance wax in wax's your blade.That will keep the humidity off the steel. In just keep your scabbard dry place that will stop the smell.        mike  :cdn:

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Re: Swords
« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2007, 22:04:03 »
Thanks for all the tips.

I am really fond of this sword, it is really quite nice. It is a cavalry pattern sword, marked Solingen, it has a really nice design on the blade and its got a nice sharkskin grip that is wrapped in gold wire. It has been with the corps for awhile, it was taken from our sister corps when we split from them in the 70s so I don't know how long it has been around. It has been passed from one RSM to the next, always in its scabbard and I think in the same old bag too.

Luckily the damage is limited to the tip of the sword and there is none on or near the decorated part of the sword.

Oh and if it makes a difference, the funky smell smells quite a bit like old pennies.

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Re: Swords
« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2007, 22:40:08 »

The coppery smell could be from the tanning process of the leather....

You might try sealing the scabbard in a plastic bag along with some baking soda. The kind that you put in your refrigerator. That might suck all the odour out.

It sounds like the sword itself will be fine.

Best Wishes,

-Rick

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Re: Swords
« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2007, 23:26:24 »
don't use steel wool.... that will marr the surface / chrome finish of the blade

jewler's rouge is a good option to clean off the oxidation on the blade

musty smell - wet, moisture inside the sheath........ let it dry in the air, baking soda might work.... same as the odor eaters in your fridge...
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Re: Swords
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2007, 00:05:59 »
You might try sealing it in plastic with a few silica gel dessicant packs to adsorb the moisture.
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Re: Swords
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2007, 11:54:29 »
musty smell - wet, moisture inside the sheath........ let it dry in the air, baking soda might work.... same as the odor eaters in your fridge...

Sodium bicarbonate is a salt... so I would avoid applying it directly to the blade... unless it doesn't damage metal (but I just assume it may)
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Re: Swords
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2007, 23:49:44 »
The silica dessicant is a good idea for long-term storage of your sword and scabbard. Perhaps you might consider investing in a quality display case as well....

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Re: Swords
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2007, 23:54:03 »
I was wondering if anyone here had experience with fencing, or if any of the bases have a fencing class or club?

Just curious, fencing is one of my hobbies....

Best Wishes,

-Rick

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Re: Swords
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2007, 08:21:50 »
Fencing would prolly be more something done by the students at RMC Kingston or the CMR prep school in St Jean ....

But, am taling without really knowing - have not heard of fencing on any one base on this side of the continent.
Chimo!