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Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« on: October 08, 2006, 17:05:39 »
I am looking for some general information about the Maritime Officer Selection Test.  The recruiting site had some info on and even sample questions from the CFAT, but I can find nothing about the MOST. 

I've been out of school for a very long time, and would like to know what areas I should concentrate on to brush up.   If there is any general information people can offer about the exam, it would be appreciated.
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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006, 20:13:24 »
The most test is a funny test... It has been almost 2 years since I did it.

It is a pattern recognition, mental math and learning speed test. You could do some IQ Tests as a warm up and then do some mental math review. Go over things like multiplication in your head and divide big numbers by other numbers, like how many times does 17 go into 374? It is a timed test so you have to be quick about it.

All I remember is that all the candidates for MARS at my NAOB did it first, and they had a wide range of university degrees but not too many math intensive ones and not all recent grads. A lot of them came out complaining how tough it was and how they ran out of time.  Then the next day the engineers took the test and most of us were fresh out of university and we zipped through it with no problems, waiting around for each timed period to end so we can go onto the next phase. The difference in outlooks was quiet humorous.

If you want to be a MARS officer, practice mental math, simple things like 3,6,8,9, and 16 times tables, fractions of 60 and math like (5x6)/3  which tells you that your CPA to buoy that is 5 degrees off your starboard bow at 6 miles is 1000 yards, which can alternately be worked out by knowing that 5 is a twelfth of 60 and a twelfth of 6 miles is 1000 yards.

Don't worry about the MOST too much. It isn't that hard, it is just a little fast.

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Tips for MOST test?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 12:23:37 »
Hey can anyone give me any tips for the MOST test? I tried searching the forums but it just brought up every instance of the word "most." Specifically what is on the test, how/what can I study, duration? etc.

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 20:24:18 »
Don't freak out if you didn't get every question in the alloted time, you probably won't finish everything.  The mental math is a good thing to review, I hadn't done anything for 10 years before I wrote my MOST test so I went to the library and took out some high school SAT prep tests.  Other than that there isn't a whole lot you can prepare for, just relax, READ THE DIRECTIONS, and budget your time.  Most of all enjoy the drinks after your done

good luck

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'MOST' aptitude exam for MARS officer applicants
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 18:50:26 »
Hello,

So I recently found out that there is a new 'MOST' aptitude exam instituted after April 1st for MARS officer applicants. Any information regarding this exam and how to prepare for it would be very helpful. I'm scheduled to take it soon but have no clue what to expect  ???

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MOST sample questions?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 16:20:54 »
Hi,

I am scheduled for MOST, but I cannot find detailed information about this test. I am wondering what components I am going to be tested on, and if there is a sample question available for this test. Or is it going to be similar to CFAT (I already passed it)? If you know any idea, please let me know.

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Re: MOST sample questions?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 08:45:23 »
Good day sha106,

     The Maritime Officer Selection Test (MOST) is not conducted CAF recruiting as part of the application process to join the Forces. I have moved your question to the Navy Training board in order for them to provide you with the information you seek.   
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Re: MOST sample questions?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 08:59:40 »
I am scheduled for MOST, but I cannot find detailed information about this test.

Maritime Officer Selection Test 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=51566.0

'MOST' aptitude exam for MARS officer applicants 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=118541.0




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Re: MOST sample questions?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 15:24:42 »
Hi Mariomike,

Thank you for the links! I already have read all the posts on this forum regarding to MOST. The one I found, and was told recently is that new MOST is required to be taken during the application process. In the past, the MARS candidates took MOST in the process of NOAB, which is different now. MARS candidates are required to take the test, and I was told that it happened from APR 2015. Also, the post was written in 2007, so I am not sure if it is going to be the same as that time.

I will put some notes and information regarding to MOST on this forum after my test if it is not confidential to share.

Have a great day!


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Re: MOST sample questions?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 20:25:34 »
Hi Mariomike,

Thank you for the links! I already have read all the posts on this forum regarding to MOST. The one I found, and was told recently is that new MOST is required to be taken during the application process. In the past, the MARS candidates took MOST in the process of NOAB, which is different now. MARS candidates are required to take the test, and I was told that it happened from APR 2015. Also, the post was written in 2007, so I am not sure if it is going to be the same as that time.

I will put some notes and information regarding to MOST on this forum after my test if it is not confidential to share.

Have a great day!

You are welcome, and Good Luck!

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MARS DEO - Most Test Subject Matter?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 13:58:04 »
Happy to say that I have completed my aptitude test and am eligible for further processing for MARS Direct Entry.

I've been scheduled for my MOST test, but the scheduler did not have much detail on the subject matter. Is there a need to study, or a practice that I can do?

After my MOST test, I'm scheduled for my medical and interview. Then hopefully BASIC soon after!
Trade: MARS DEO
CFAT: November 5th, 2015 - Passed
MOST: January 14th , 2016 - Passed
Interview: January 25th, 2016 - Passed
Medical: January 25th, 2016 - Declared fit
Merit Listed: March 24th, 2016
Position offered: June 16th, 2016
Swearing in: October 4th, 2016
BMOQ: October 24th, 2016

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Re: MOST sample questions?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 14:19:12 »
Saw this in Ask a CAF Recruiter today, 

MARS DEO - Most Test Subject Matter?
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,121675.msg1410819.html#msg1410819

I include it here for future reference,

Maritime Officer Selection Test 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=51566.0

'MOST' aptitude exam for MARS officer applicants 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=118541.0

MOST sample questions?
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,119636.msg1372359.html#msg1372359

« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 14:31:11 by mariomike »

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Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 16:46:23 »
I've applied and conpleted my aptitude test, and before my medical and interview I've been asked to comete the MOST Test, which is apparently an extra aptitude test for MARS.

Has anyone taken this before? The recruiter didn't have much information on the subject matter, or what to study.
Trade: MARS DEO
CFAT: November 5th, 2015 - Passed
MOST: January 14th , 2016 - Passed
Interview: January 25th, 2016 - Passed
Medical: January 25th, 2016 - Declared fit
Merit Listed: March 24th, 2016
Position offered: June 16th, 2016
Swearing in: October 4th, 2016
BMOQ: October 24th, 2016

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 16:47:41 »
I've been asked to comete the MOST Test, which is apparently an extra aptitude test for MARS.

Has anyone taken this before? The recruiter didn't have much information on the subject matter, or what to study.

This may help.

MOST sample questions?
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=119636.0

MARS DEO - Most Test Subject Matter?
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,121675.msg1410819.html#msg1410819

Maritime Officer Selection Test 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=51566.0

'MOST' aptitude exam for MARS officer applicants 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=118541.0

MOST sample questions?
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,119636.msg1372359.html#msg1372359
« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 16:52:15 by mariomike »

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 16:55:48 »
Thanks very much! I tried to search for previous posts, but of course searching "MOST Test" wasn't specific enough.
Trade: MARS DEO
CFAT: November 5th, 2015 - Passed
MOST: January 14th , 2016 - Passed
Interview: January 25th, 2016 - Passed
Medical: January 25th, 2016 - Declared fit
Merit Listed: March 24th, 2016
Position offered: June 16th, 2016
Swearing in: October 4th, 2016
BMOQ: October 24th, 2016

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2016, 16:58:11 »
Thanks very much!

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2016, 18:01:19 »
The recruiter didn't have much information on the subject matter, or what to study.

You can't study for this one.    Good luck!

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2016, 20:57:46 »
They used to do that test for MSEng/NCSEng DEOs along with the MARS candidates on NOAB... glad they eschewed those MOSIDs from it.

Two things, get a good night's sleep before hand and don't drink alcohol the night before.  I found the questions on this test more vague and riddle-like than the CFAT.

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2016, 23:12:15 »
Wrote it in November. My best advice is to keep your eye on the clock, follow what it says, and don't get distracted.
Recruiting Centre: Halifax
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Trade Choice 1: Air Combat Systems Officer
Trade Choice 2: Intelligence Officer
Trade Choice 3: MARS Officer
Applied: 28 September, 2015
CFAT: 15 October, 2015
MOST: Passed 12 November, 2015
Medical: Initial, 8 December, 2015
Interview: 8 December, 2015
Aircrew Selection: Passed, 1 March, 2016
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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2016, 07:01:36 »
If that the same as what they used to do on NOAB, where you have to navigate from point A to B on a grid, where they add one rule each time you turn the page to a slightly different layout, but you can't look back at the previous rules and only had so much time each page?  If so, not something you can study for.  Basically you just need to go in there fresh, try and remember what you can, and if all else fails make a decision and answer everything within the allowed time.

I think it was as much a stress test as it was an aptitude test, and some people just fell apart on it (which is really what basic training is).

Too bad they got rid of the NOAB entrance screening, it was excellent; saved us from pumping millions into training people that shouldn't have gotten through basic.

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Re: MARS DEO - Most Test Subject Matter?
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2016, 09:53:42 »
Please check out the following Threads.

Maritime Officer Selection Test 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=51566.0

MOST sample questions?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=119636.0

'MOST' aptitude exam for MARS officer applicants 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=118541.0

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2016, 03:05:58 »
Given the Merit List thread is locked, I am hoping this is a suitable area to post my question.  I have written the MOST and am awaiting medical and background to return.  I understand that many factors make up your position on the merit list, but am curious what percentage weighting would be given to trade specific aptitude testing (ie Interview 25%, CFAT 25%, MOST 50%).  If one of our more knowledgable contributors is able to shed any light on this I would greatly appreciate.

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Re: Anyone have to do the MOST Test for MARS?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2016, 18:56:22 »
If that the same as what they used to do on NOAB, where you have to navigate from point A to B on a grid, where they add one rule each time you turn the page to a slightly different layout, but you can't look back at the previous rules and only had so much time each page?  If so, not something you can study for.  Basically you just need to go in there fresh, try and remember what you can, and if all else fails make a decision and answer everything within the allowed time.

I think it was as much a stress test as it was an aptitude test, and some people just fell apart on it (which is really what basic training is).

Too bad they got rid of the NOAB entrance screening, it was excellent; saved us from pumping millions into training people that shouldn't have gotten through basic.

That is what it was exactly, very basic after I completed it. Most difficult part was doing some basic calculations in my head.
Trade: MARS DEO
CFAT: November 5th, 2015 - Passed
MOST: January 14th , 2016 - Passed
Interview: January 25th, 2016 - Passed
Medical: January 25th, 2016 - Declared fit
Merit Listed: March 24th, 2016
Position offered: June 16th, 2016
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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2017, 17:20:30 »
Can anyone give me advice or info on the MOST test?

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 19:04:10 »
I took the MOST recently and just want to add to the general knowledge in this thread, because it was helpful for me but is missing a bit of information on the "how to prepare" side of things.

Navy_Pete's comment is accurate. The MOST presents a lot of questions in a very short space of time. Even though you can study for most aptitude tests (include the CFAT), this is one test where even if I knew the type of questions beforehand I still wouldn't have been able to study effectively. As such, success is largely about your ability to remain calm under stress and analyze and answer questions quickly. In some ways it's a test of how good you are at taking tests. Therefore the best prep you can do is making sure you're on top of your test-taking skills:

- Don't panic. Don't be intimidated by how little time you have. Put your head down and get to work as soon the clock starts running.
- Keep a really close eye on the clock. Calculate in your head how much time you have for each question. Get in a rhythm. If you find yourself behind schedule, move on and move faster.
- If a question is too hard, guess - come back at the end if you have time. You probably won't have time.
- Some questions are harder than others. As far as I know, all questions are weighted equally.
- If you feel like you're failing, do NOT give up and do not let it phase you. Continue to try your hardest.
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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2018, 15:21:26 »
I've been scheduled to take the MOST in a few days. I've been practising mental math, SDT calculations and Lumosity. I've heard that the there's also a Passage Planning Test portion in the MOST. Is there a resource to prepare for that?
Recruiting Centre: Regina (SK)
Entry plan: Regular DEO
Choice 1: PILOT (Dropped)
Choice 2: MARS/NWO
Choice 3: ARMOUR OFFICER

Applied:        July 31/17
First Contact: Oct 03/17
CFAT/TSD:    Oct 24/17
Medical:        Nov 16/17
MOST:          Mar 09/18
Interview:     Mar 09/18
Medical supplementary forms submitted: Nov 22/17
Merit Listed:  Mar 12/18
Position Offered:   June 15/18 - NWO
Swearing In:   Aug 29/18
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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2018, 20:00:34 »
SDT calculations and mental math are good to practice, but don't overdo it. Unfortunately there are no publicly available preparation resources.

Seriously, don't sweat it. If you did well enough on the CFAT to get to this point you will almost certainly do fine on the MOST. The questions themselves aren't hard, there are just a lot of them and not enough time. The most important pieces of advice I can give are don't panic and don't give up. The pass threshold is not public information but suffice to say never count yourself out.

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2018, 22:46:52 »
Don't sweat the test.  I wrote the MOST a month and a half ago.  I'm a current serving Infantry Officer in the process of a remuster to NWO and tbh, the hardest part was simply putting myself out there knowing I could fail and thinking about what all the naysayers would say if I did.

I imagine it's the same for a new person joining the CAF.  My advice is to take your time and relax.  Don't expect to get a 100%, trust me, you won't.

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2018, 13:00:02 »
Don't sweat the test.  I wrote the MOST a month and a half ago.  I'm a current serving Infantry Officer in the process of a remuster to NWO and tbh, the hardest part was simply putting myself out there knowing I could fail and thinking about what all the naysayers would say if I did.

I imagine it's the same for a new person joining the CAF.  My advice is to take your time and relax.  Don't expect to get a 100%, trust me, you won't.

SDT calculations and mental math are good to practice, but don't overdo it. Unfortunately there are no publicly available preparation resources.

Seriously, don't sweat it. If you did well enough on the CFAT to get to this point you will almost certainly do fine on the MOST. The questions themselves aren't hard, there are just a lot of them and not enough time. The most important pieces of advice I can give are don't panic and don't give up. The pass threshold is not public information but suffice to say never count yourself out.

Thanks guys, I feel a bit more confident now! Still doing SDT and Lumosity cause they're fun to do and I'm aiming to go in there sharp as a tack :D
Recruiting Centre: Regina (SK)
Entry plan: Regular DEO
Choice 1: PILOT (Dropped)
Choice 2: MARS/NWO
Choice 3: ARMOUR OFFICER

Applied:        July 31/17
First Contact: Oct 03/17
CFAT/TSD:    Oct 24/17
Medical:        Nov 16/17
MOST:          Mar 09/18
Interview:     Mar 09/18
Medical supplementary forms submitted: Nov 22/17
Merit Listed:  Mar 12/18
Position Offered:   June 15/18 - NWO
Swearing In:   Aug 29/18
BMOQ:   Sep 10/18

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2018, 22:36:30 »
Is the MOST test multiple choice or written?

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2018, 00:34:50 »
Is the MOST test multiple choice or written?
https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/military-training/canadian-armed-forces-caf/canadian-armed-forces-caf-recruitment-selection-overview/
This is the most helpful resource i found about the MOST(look for that section in the page). Cant really talk about it any further but all the advice on this thread is spot on. Good luck.
Recruiting Centre: Regina (SK)
Entry plan: Regular DEO
Choice 1: PILOT (Dropped)
Choice 2: MARS/NWO
Choice 3: ARMOUR OFFICER

Applied:        July 31/17
First Contact: Oct 03/17
CFAT/TSD:    Oct 24/17
Medical:        Nov 16/17
MOST:          Mar 09/18
Interview:     Mar 09/18
Medical supplementary forms submitted: Nov 22/17
Merit Listed:  Mar 12/18
Position Offered:   June 15/18 - NWO
Swearing In:   Aug 29/18
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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2018, 00:13:50 »
Do I need to know all the nautical terminology there is out there for this test?

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2018, 06:40:30 »
Do I need to know all the nautical terminology there is out there for this test?

No

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2018, 09:58:16 »
Do I need to know all the nautical terminology there is out there for this test?

Look, scuttlebutt is that after splicing the mainbrace during the halfway banyan, some of the ping bosns went a bit too far with the moose milk, seeing as one of them was swallowing the anchor, and they ended up making a mess all over of the leeward side of the quaterdeck. So, the Coxn closed-up the three killicks well before wakey wakey and had them cleaning the heads and flats right up to dinner. Well wasn't he miffed when he found one of them sculling about the sail loft, his *** made fast to pile of spare mustang jackets like it was bloody Sunday routine. That one ended up at defaulters and spent the rest of the deployment on a 1-in-3 with the dogs married spending one of his off watches every day cleaning FOD from the bullring to the transom.

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2018, 10:24:31 »
Look, scuttlebutt is that after splicing the mainbrace during the halfway banyan, some of the ping bosns went a bit too far with the moose milk, seeing as one of them was swallowing the anchor, and they ended up making a mess all over of the leeward side of the quaterdeck. So, the Coxn closed-up the three killicks well before wakey wakey and had them cleaning the heads and flats right up to dinner. Well wasn't he miffed when he found one of them sculling about the sail loft, his *** made fast to pile of spare mustang jackets like it was bloody Sunday routine. That one ended up at defaulters and spent the rest of the deployment on a 1-in-3 with the dogs married spending one of his off watches every day cleaning FOD from the bullring to the transom.

If you understood all of that, you're not ready for the Navy; you're already in the Navy.

Hahahaha!


The test is a stress test, you either pass it or you don't.  Studying won't really help you.


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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2018, 10:48:15 »
Lumber: I think you missed a bit: Did the killick end up at defaulters with or without going before the mast, or was it just mess deck justice?


Inquiring minds want to know.  ;D

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2018, 12:48:13 »
Lumber: I think you missed a bit: Did the killick end up at defaulters with or without going before the mast, or was it just mess deck justice?


Inquiring minds want to know.  ;D

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2018, 12:58:08 »
His mess mother was a lower deck lawyer, so he managed to keep his conduct sheets crispy clean. Turns out the person who initially found him was a stoker who was himself three sheets to the wind at the time and wasn't a credible witness. That's not to say he got off easy. They were crossing the pond in the middle of the winter, and the focsle was cold enough to squeeze the cannon balls off a brass monkey, not that top part ship was much nicer. I tell ya, there's not enough duff in the whole larder that you could give me to be in his position.
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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2018, 16:38:06 »
Well! At least he wasn't flogged round the fleet, keelhauled or exiled to the bowsprit! 

I think we've beaten this dead horse enough, to quote army people.  ;D

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2018, 17:10:17 »
Look, scuttlebutt is that after splicing the mainbrace during the halfway banyan, some of the ping bosns went a bit too far with the moose milk, seeing as one of them was swallowing the anchor, and they ended up making a mess all over of the leeward side of the quaterdeck. So, the Coxn closed-up the three killicks well before wakey wakey and had them cleaning the heads and flats right up to dinner. Well wasn't he miffed when he found one of them sculling about the sail loft, his *** made fast to pile of spare mustang jackets like it was bloody Sunday routine. That one ended up at defaulters and spent the rest of the deployment on a 1-in-3 with the dogs married spending one of his off watches every day cleaning FOD from the bullring to the transom.

If you understood all of that, you're not ready for the Navy; you're already in the Navy.


Somewhere in the deep, dark recesses of what's left of my mind I recall Art Hunter* telling us that defaulters were called something like "five and eight men," is that right, can someone explain?

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2018, 18:44:33 »
I think there may be some confusion with one form of punishment as opposed to a general term referring to men under punishment/men up for punishment.

In the Navy, "defaulters" has two possible meanings: It may refer to seamen that need to be seen by the Commanding Officer for  summary trial (come before the mast). They were usually heard at the same time as request men, usually 15 minutes after secure - meaning at 16h15.

In the old days, it could also refer to those seamen that had been found guilty of a minor offence. Some of those may have been punished with extra work or have their leave cancelled. This extra work (and for those Required On Board, their being sighted as such) was carried out before and after the day's activities. Therefore, it took place before breakfast (07:00) or after night rounds (19:30). Those defaulters condemned to extra work were therefore mustered for this extra work (and the R.O.B. sighted in their number one's) at 05:00 and 20:00 daily for two extra hours in the morning and one in the evening. Those specific, condemned, defaulters were the ones usually referred to as the 5 and 8 men.
 

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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2018, 19:14:43 »
I wrote it this afternoon. Not only did I pass, everyone I wrote it with (two people) did as well. It was remarked that it was the first time in a few years that's happened.

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CAF Officer Standardization Test (OST) Preparation/Advice
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2019, 16:08:39 »
Hey guys! I applied for Naval Warfare Officer (DEO), and finally been selected for the OST. Any of you have any links to some prep advice or any personal experience with the test that can help me out? My recruiter would only tell me that its nothing like the CFAT and there's no way to prepare for this test :/ Thanks in advance!

P.S. I scored 42/60 on the CFAT, did particularly well on mental math and problem-solving.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2019, 16:16:31 by crlemesur »
Recruiting Centre: Barrie (ON)
Entry plan: Regular DEO
Choice 1: Naval Warfare Officer
Choice 2: Aerospace Control Officer (Dropped)
Choice 3: Air Combat Systems Officer (Dropped)

Applied:        December 2018
First Contact: December 2018
CFAT/TSD:    December 2018 PASSED
MOST:          March 2019 PASSED
Medical:        April 2019 PASSED
Interview:     April 2019 PASSED
Merit Listed: 
Position Offered:  
Swearing In:  
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Re: CAF Officer Standardization Test (OST) Preparation/Advice
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2019, 18:19:25 »
Hi crlemesur,

You will likely have more luck if you search this forum for the Maritime Officer Selection Test (MOST) on this forum. As far as I know, it's an exam which is only completed by MARS/NWO DEO applicants (ROTP applicants like myself never had to write it, go figure). The most comprehensive thread that I can recall on this forum is located here:

https://navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,51566.0.html

A fundamental component of success as a junior NWO is the ability to prioritize large amounts of information in a short period of time. There's a saying that you'll likely hear at some point along the lines of "The 80% solution now is almost always better than the 100% solution too late" or words to that effect. From what I have read on this forum that seems to be the foundation of the MOST.

Ultimately, I wouldn't sweat it too much. As someone who has trained a number of SLts from initial arrival to the Fleet post-NWO IV to NOPQ/FNO, I can tell you that a positive attitude and a willingness to learn trumps innate skill every time. From what I've seen the NWO recruiting/training community also understands this.

Please don't hesitate to PM me if you have more questions about the training system or the trade.

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Re: CAF Officer Standardization Test (OST) Preparation/Advice
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2019, 12:17:04 »
Thanks!!
Recruiting Centre: Barrie (ON)
Entry plan: Regular DEO
Choice 1: Naval Warfare Officer
Choice 2: Aerospace Control Officer (Dropped)
Choice 3: Air Combat Systems Officer (Dropped)

Applied:        December 2018
First Contact: December 2018
CFAT/TSD:    December 2018 PASSED
MOST:          March 2019 PASSED
Medical:        April 2019 PASSED
Interview:     April 2019 PASSED
Merit Listed: 
Position Offered:  
Swearing In:  
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Re: Maritime Officer Selection Test ( MOST ) - merged
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2019, 14:00:25 »
Well, I wrote the MOST today. The only tip I can add to the previous tips in this forum is to practice your SDT calculations and that is honestly all you can do to prepare. The hardest part about the test was the time limitations. The test is 60 multiple choice, broken up into 5 sections with 3 levels of difficulty (see link below). My advice during the test is to skip the long questions that involve a bunch of mental math because it takes too much time to estimate some of the answers, do the quick and straight forward ones first, then go back to the longer questions. As far as I know, the questions are all weighted the same and you need 24/60 to pass (see link below). Good luck to all future NWO applicants!

https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/military-training/canadian-armed-forces-caf/canadian-armed-forces-caf-recruitment-selection-overview/
« Last Edit: March 19, 2019, 10:40:12 by crlemesur »
Recruiting Centre: Barrie (ON)
Entry plan: Regular DEO
Choice 1: Naval Warfare Officer
Choice 2: Aerospace Control Officer (Dropped)
Choice 3: Air Combat Systems Officer (Dropped)

Applied:        December 2018
First Contact: December 2018
CFAT/TSD:    December 2018 PASSED
MOST:          March 2019 PASSED
Medical:        April 2019 PASSED
Interview:     April 2019 PASSED
Merit Listed: 
Position Offered:  
Swearing In:  
BMOQ: