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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2004, 15:13:00 »
and you might not want to cut out the liner until after BMQ, SQ..


on my QL-2 Crse the instructors did a check, and anyone who had a liner cut out, got a red chit, and had to pay for a replacement Beret.
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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2004, 20:53:00 »
"I got my beret issued to me without a liner. They are suppose to have a liner?" Is the correct response if they check to see if you cut it out.
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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2004, 17:31:00 »
A beret is 8 bucks.. buy too, leave the liner out of one, leave it in on the other, have both on BMQ. mention you got one without a liner, but being a proactive person, you bought the new one just in case you were required to use it. a second beret comes in handy as well if you are an idiot and lose the first one.  doesnt do well to explain to your SGT that you lost your beret.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2004, 16:17:33 »
1. How do I put the badge on?

2. Can I take the big tag in the center off?

3. Does anyone have a good high res picture of a beret, shaped well?

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2004, 16:30:38 »
You will be taught all these things on basic training. Don't worry about it yet... that being said...

1. You need to make a tiny cut in front of the stiffener. Somone will show you how to do this.

2. No need to. For now, you can mark your name there so you know it's your beret. In the future, you will rip the entire liner out. Not yet though.

3. The beret is worn two fingers above the eyes (Eyes, not eyebrows), and two fingers above the ears. The excess fabric is pulled over the right ear. Don't worry about forming your beret until your basic training course, you will screw it up (Not intended as an insult, but a simple statement. You'll also screw it up the first time you form it, and it will likely look more or less like crap for the duration of your basic training anyway. Most new recruits have to form their beret three or four times to get it right.)

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2004, 16:33:56 »
Hey man, hows it going? I've been working on my beret too. ok to put your badge on it you'll see a little section at the front thats outlined with stitching and has a round part stitched inside as well, take a razor or something and cut a little slit at the top of the rounded part and just slide the badge in. im not sure what tag you're talking about, but dont take it out, also some people say to cutout the liner, dont does this before we got to BMQ man, they kick our asses for it my MCprl told me to wait till after the summer before I do that, also when forming it, wear it in the shower and keep smoothing it down, badge above the left eye, and make sure the flap doesnt go too far past your ear, if you can try and avoid that at all.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2004, 16:46:21 »
Is there a way to tie the string at the back?

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2004, 16:54:53 »
Just tie it in a double knotted bow, and tuck the loops and ends under your beret.

Technically, if you rip your liner out, you're modifying equipment belonging to the crown, which you're not allowed to do.

On the other hand, as a rule of thumb, when you turn in your kit, you keep your beret. Because no one wants your beat up used beret. So no one cares.

I had my liner ripped out before I started basic, only one instructor ever said anything to me about it... my beret looked particularly good... so he told me to remove it... noted the fact that I didn't have a liner... asked me where it was... "It must have fallen out, I'll pass in a lost kit form this afternoon master-corpral."

Of course, this particular instructor, while a prick, also had a very sarcastic sense of humor, so he just glared at me for a second and told me to put my beret back on...

Just leave your liner in, and don't worry about shaping it until basic training. They'll teach you everything there.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2004, 16:55:56 »
just tuck it in underneath
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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2004, 17:11:20 »
Is the badge suppose to go all the way to the bottom of the beret, or is it a few cm up from the leather?

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2004, 17:43:19 »
If you make your incision where Razic mentioned the badge will sit properly.  No it shouldn't be all the way to the leather.
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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2004, 20:19:37 »
There is a lot of debate over leaving the liner in when shaping the beret- I've done both, and tend to leave the liner in now.

Best way I've found to shape a beret is start when you have an entire evening to devote to the shaping. Start by running hot water straight from the tap into the beret. Get it as hot as you can (ie no cold). Let run a minute or two, and work the water into the beret. Switch over to cold water, and work the cold water into the beret. Do this several times (hot then cold). Finish off with a good cold rinse.

Place the beret on your head, and looking in the mirror get the badge centred and leather rim where you want it. Smooth the beret over your head, starting from the left side, and pulling over to the right. Once it's all smooth on the top and sides, you can then start working the "flap" up under itself. Push the material up and under the flap until the bottom of the flap is even with the leather brim. Squash flat against your head. Carefully take the beret off, and ensure that the liner is not part of the flap, but just sits there on your head. Replace, and keep adjusting the beret so that it looks the way you want it.

Nows the time to watch some tube, whatever, until the beret dries. Every now and again hit the mirror and make sure that the beret isn't drying out of shape.

When you finally go to ground, take the beret off very carefully and leave it over a lamp shade or something to help it keep it's shape.

You may well have to repeat the whole process if you don't like the results, but so far (knock on wood) I haven't had to.

The beret tends to get just a little individual- units wear their's just a little differently than others, and some folk withing the unit will slide a little one way or the other. Make sure that you know what you're looking for before you start!

My two cents worth- a tight beret, with very little flap, is the way to go.

Good luck!

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2004, 21:23:22 »
Confirmation.
 When I join the Army. I will get in trouble if I rip out liner and burn the tags?

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2004, 22:07:32 »
I reiterate what I've said several times... don't rip your liner out until basic training is over (Or until you're sure you can get away with ripping it out).

I'm actually surprised no one ever followed up to make sure I had passed in the lost kit form for the liner.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #64 on: June 20, 2004, 08:52:41 »
To back up Just a Sig Op, you are not allowed to take the liner out during basic.  I'm starting week 8 and last Thursday we had the Capt. inspection.  One of the first things he asked was if I shower with my beret.  He was asking because it wasn't shaped very well.  Then he suggested I remove the liner once I leave the school, as it's not permitted to remove the liner during training.

I took the advice Garry posted above and it looks to be better shaped than what it was...I hope.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2004, 11:33:05 »
It will depend on your course staff. I was told on my second day of basic that the liner was to go missing.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2004, 14:47:49 »
1. How do I put the badge on?

If you're reg force basic, you'll be putting the cap badge on when they tell you to put it on after you pass your saluting test on week 4

2. Can I take the big tag in the center off?

You 'can't' alter your equipment (hehehe)

3. Does anyone have a good high res picture of a beret, shaped well?

No pics but I like my beret
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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2004, 22:31:17 »
Well, I just got my kit not too long ago.  I'm expecting to get on a BMQ course starting up the 26th.  The problem is that I was trying to form my beret the way the MCpl at the unit I'm joining told me too.  He told me to put it in hot water to soak, then let it dry on my head to form it, but it shrunk while it was in the water!  Can you guys help on this?  I've tried stretching it, but it so far, it won't stretch enough!!


So, anyway, after you guys finish laughing and get up off the floor, can anyone with some advice please help?  :warstory:
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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2004, 23:45:54 »
I don't know the type of beret you have (large style, small style, or cloth rim), but mild
shrinkage does occur.  Don't worry about formingit too much in BMQ.  Usually after, there
are other tricks to beret forming.

Given the situation, you may have two alternatives.  If possible, talk to your section leader or go to
the unit stores and exchange the beret.  Second, untie or loosen the ribbon along the leather rim
and re-soak the beret in warm water for 2 minutes and put the beret on your head.  You don't
need to have the beret on your head continuously just put it on for 10 minutes every so
often.  The leather rim should stretch and as it dries ensure the stretch stays. 

The beret shouldn't hurt or be difficult to put on, yet snuggness helps on windy days.

As a side issue, a great beret to get is here:

 http://www.c-and-e-museum.org/mercury_shop/uniform.htm

They're $18.50 but are a nice fit, nice size, and formable.   

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2004, 06:56:23 »
its funny when a site which you purchase items from says in big letters at the top of the page, "This is NOT a secure site" and then the visa and mastercard logos beneith that. Good Show!!!

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2004, 12:28:04 »
Where do you live? Cause I think my BMQ starts on the 26th too.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2004, 17:15:46 »
you sure you're wearing it right? its not a hat. It rests on your head. Two fingers above your eyebrows the front and it should go back pass that blad spot everyone has in the back/top of their head. Also if you knoted the back strings undo them and correct it.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2004, 14:39:58 »
Thanks for your help Bert.

Eric5:  I'm in Calgary, and the BMQ course I'm on is also here in town.
We have such a hard time trying to answer the question: What is a Canadian? The Dutch have no such trouble. To them, a Canadian is someone from a far-off land who risked everything to liberate them from one of the worst kinds of oppression the world has ever seen.

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2004, 02:14:19 »
Well, I just got my kit not too long ago.   I'm expecting to get on a BMQ course starting up the 26th.   The problem is that I was trying to form my beret the way the MCpl at the unit I'm joining told me too.   He told me to put it in hot water to soak, then let it dry on my head to form it, but it shrunk while it was in the water!   Can you guys help on this?   I've tried stretching it, but it so far, it won't stretch enough!!


So, anyway, after you guys finish laughing and get up off the floor, can anyone with some advice please help?   :warstory:

>heres a tip...cut the stupid liner out of it and it'll for 10 times better *nods* say it fell out in the wash or a band of wild cougars ate it...

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Re: Berets and How to Form Them
« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2004, 04:32:22 »
All right to all STOP AND SUCK BACK AND RELOAD!!

As to form your Beret !!.

What you do is soak it in warm water for few min.'s then wear it and form it to the shape of your respcetive skull and still wear it till it's formed!
Voila et Beret!


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