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Any chance to become a pilot now?
« on: September 04, 2007, 19:53:42 »
Hi Folks,

I apologize upfront for the length of this email but I do need some opinion so please bear with me.  My lifelong passion to become a pilot started when I was 12 years old and circumvented half the globe on an extended family trip when I was 11 years old.

Backstory:
Grew up in NB, NS and joined the air cadets from age 12-17.  I took many courses related to theories of flight, airframe, etc...but was never academically astute enough to win a power/glider scholarship.  At age 17-21 I joined the Communication Reserves (made it to Corporal) which coincided with my last year of high school and first year university (I dropped out after year one due to academics).  I'm now an account manager with a high profile IT company drawing an exceptional salary (6 figures) in Toronto but that itch to become a pilot has returned in a bad way!  I'm now married, 32 years old and I've finally been able to see clearly what I need to do for the rest of my life - pilot military aircrafts.

Anyway here is my dilemma - 32 with no university degree but a burning desire to drop my current career which has taken me 10 years to build and pursue my passion.  University degree - I'll go back! Getting in shape - no problem!  Eyesight - I'll get laser surgery!  Wife & family - They will support me!  So whats the problem you ask?  Well by the time I earn a degree (or start pursuing one) I'll be too old (IMHO) to be selected for fixed wing (I'm talking CF-18s) duties.

Obviously I'm not about to drop things tomorrow and then try and join the Air Force but is there a hope in hell for someone at my age to become a military pilot at this point or have my dreams been dashed by my own lack of focus & procrastination?

Your opinions are more than welcome.

Cpl Jay

p.s A note to all younger folks - do not chase the dollar signs like I did.  You'll end up with money eventually but it's a soul destroying experience that robs you of your youth and passion.  It's like I just woke up out of 10 year slumber and realized I've wasted all those years - except for meeting my wife whom I am absolutely crazy about.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2007, 19:55:35 »
Have you searched and have read other threads about becoming a pilot?

Lots of information out there
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 19:57:15 »
Pilot is open currently for CEOTP.

Research it, and the pilot trade generally on this board, and you will see tons of answers for you.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2007, 20:11:18 »
...but was never academically astute...

...I dropped out after year one due to academics...

Should you manage to get into the pilot training programme, you are going to have to seriously overcome that issue.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 20:11:26 »
At this point in time, laser eye surgery is not acceptable for pilots.  However, they have lowered the admission levels to V2 - which you may currently fall under.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2007, 20:57:02 »
Wow!

Thanks for the quick response everyone.  Keep the info coming.  As per some of the suggestions, I have done a little bit of research and CEOTP or DEO are probably the best way to go for someone my age.  What exactly constitutes V2 vision requirements by the way (ie what are the exact numbers)?. It just so happens that my wife is a practicing optometrist (yep, I scored in that dept).

As for my age - haven't seen anyone comment on that yet.  If I were to go DEO I'd be 36-37 years old.  If I go CEOTP then I'd be eligible to apply next year - maybe.  I know the competition is tough.  If I were deciding on candidates I know I'd pick the person best suited to the role but this is no VISA ad - the world is not perfect and I'm not a perfect candidate.

As for my lack of academic achievements.  That could change with a lot of hard work.  I'm taking steps immediately to start down the right path.  Starting tomorrow I'm going to get back into top shape (going to go for a jog, lift weights again), explore academic/private pilot options and going to visit the recruitment centre.  I just hope I don't get laughed at.

Am I chasing a white elephant at this point in my life?  I certainly hope not but I understand that 10 years ago I would have been a better fit.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2007, 20:59:42 »
But have you did any searching on this site and read the testimonials that others have stated before you?
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2007, 21:02:29 »
That's an excellent question.  I am looking through some of the forums but I would more than welcome a direct link to some of the testimonials, etc.  I have conducted a couple of searches thus far (I am new here and still figuring out the website navigation).

Sincerely,
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2007, 21:02:53 »
As for my age - haven't seen anyone comment on that yet.  If I were to go DEO I'd be 36-37 years old.  If I go CEOTP then I'd be eligible to apply next year - maybe.  I know the competition is tough.  If I were deciding on candidates I know I'd pick the person best suited to the role but this is no VISA ad - the world is not perfect and I'm not a perfect candidate.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,58128.0.html

I hope this helps.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2007, 21:04:35 »
Well, you could just apply and see.

CEOTP is competitive alone, and Pilot is even more competitive... Just search PILOT here and read some recent threads as Ex-Dragoon has suggested.

Your academics need to be high, and its easier if you are already accepted/completing a degree and have solid University marks.   Take some fall courses now, even if they arent part of a degree, most universities will let you take one or two...   School starts now, but missing the first week isnt a big deal.  Get the grades up, apply to a university for a degree program, and then apply to the forces.



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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 21:18:39 »
OMG!!!

Some of these stories are amazing!  I had no idea there was such a variation in age for new pilots.  It definitely is giving me some hope now.  About 2 hours ago I thought this was a lost cause.  In the course of a few minutes I've gone from skeptic to believer!

Now I have some work to do.  The first one is convincing my wife that our plans to settle down will have to wait a bit.  Of course she being an eye doctor, she can work anywhere I get posted and make enough to sustain us both while I go through training.  I'll have to give up my sports car (2007 Infiniti G35 - anyone want to buy it) and in time find a way to rid ourselves of the mortgage but I'm willing to make that sacrifice (my wife has to factor into the plans as well).

I've got that burn I haven't felt in a long while but I am going to be very methodical in my approach and first talk to a recruiter and some universities.  I should really speak with Seneca about their aviation program as well.

Thank you all and keep it coming.  I'm soaking up this info like a dry sponge.

Cpl Jay

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 21:54:20 »
My own advice is to slow down.

First:  Do you just want to be a pilot?  Or do you want to be an Airforce Pilot?
Huge difference. Think about it. Seriously.  Write out the differences, and do plus/minus for each difference.   Then walk away.  Then think about it some more.   Which do you really want?


IF and only IF you want to be an AIRFORCE pilot....  then you absolutely must have a university degree.   Put the pilot dream on park, and get the degree done.   Or at least get it on a good solid path.  Not a "I'm going to talk to universities path", but a real solid "I have a GPA of 3.5+ after 4-5 courses" path.  In the meantime, meet with a trainer, and get physically fit - You should be doing this as an IT Account Manager anyway...  helps the golf swing.

If you don't want the military life, and you dont want to be an airforce pilot, then go figure out private pilot training.

Btw, Im looking for a hot sports car... but I like low-ball offers. Like insulting low :P



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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 23:09:43 »
Trust me Meridian,

Airforce pilot is what I want to be.  Private/commercial aviation isn't in the picture but if that is the route I must go in order to qualify then so be it.  I'm one for action plans so once I commit to something I will follow through with it.  I know have a reason and clear picture what I need to do.  Getting a degree is the utmost priority - in reality I should have one anyway to advance in my current position.

As for military life - I've had a taste of it in the Reserves (did two tours of duty at CFB Halifax and CFB Borden on Class B callouts).  I deal with negotiations all the time in my current positions - trust me - a low ball offer won't insult me but my car is my baby ;-)

I'm already in decent shape BTW.  I need to increase muscle mass and decrease fat by about 6-7% (I'll be ripped then).  I will have to get a trainer and go hardcore but I bulk up quickly (less space in the cockpit) so more cardio and less on the weights.

I need to find out V2 requirements to even consider Military Pilot - If I am a V3/V4 then no amount of wishful thinking is going to make it happen.  Also...I know there are height and dimension requirements.  I'm 6' and 189 Lbs - wondering if I can fit into a CF18 with full kit.  Hmmmm....

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 23:41:00 »
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I need to find out V2 requirements to even consider Military Pilot - If I am a V3/V4 then no amount of wishful thinking is going to make it happen

Go to the recruiting centre and apply for Reg Force Pilot. They will have you complete a Vision Acuity test with a civilian doctor.  Good luck.

EDIT: Actually, you will complete a basic vision test at the recruiting centre the day of your medical. Then, if you are V2 or better, you will have the vision acuity test with a civilian doctor.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2007, 23:57:07 by MG »

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 00:21:06 »
  Eyesight - I'll get laser surgery! 

Hate to burst the bubble.... but laser eye will not be accepted in the RCAF. It is currently accepted in USAF, but not in RCAF. The reason for this is that there are night vision problems that occur after the surgery, or at least have a chance of occurring. The CF does not want to take chances, and unfortunately will not accept any applicant without 20/20 as they will invest over a million in your 2 year pilot training. Now you cannot get the surgery and say you haven't, because they will find out. Your eyes have to be checked by an approved optomolegist who checks the back of your eye (with some blue light) to see scaring that occurs after laser.

Now if it is only one eye that is weak, that is OK if your other eye can adjust for a 20/20. My left eye is weaker, however my right eye is above 20/20, and so I was able to pass (mind you it took 2 optomolegists and 1 optometrist to do so).

Check with your local Recruiters medic, I don't want to be a reason a possible candidate did not make it.

 
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2007, 03:20:22 »
R.O.S

   YOU should NOT be giving advice with regards to Medical Standards currently needed to be a pilot applicant with the CF, seeing how you are also an applicant at the moment.
Also, the information you've given is wrong.


    jzaidi1, the information with regards to the vision category being dropped from V1 to V2 is correct. Best bet is to talk with your local CFRC. Don't take ANYTHING written on here as the absolute gosspil. Because it is not.


   All the best to you.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2007, 07:55:57 »
http://www.toronto.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/medical/visreq_e.html#_Toc30396226

jzaidi1

From what I've seen, CEOTP guys seem to have at least started some post secondary schooling and most seem to have a commercial licence (CPL).  I think the U of Winnipeg has a distance-learning Military Studies program.  You may be able to apply for advanced standing based on some of your mil/IT training to date. 

Keep in mind
-a CPL will run you upwards of $20K (+ 5K for a PPL)
-if everything works out you may end up flying transports or helos, only a 1/4 or so go fighters
-the G35 is a beautiful automobile

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 12:16:20 »
   YOU should NOT be giving advice with regards to Medical Standards currently needed to be a pilot applicant with the CF, seeing how you are also an applicant at the moment.

This whole board is filled with good, and sometimes good hearted, but not so good, advice. I was talking from experiance from a year ago. I have been told this information many times. I was unaware that standards have changed, since the same standard has been around since the Second World WarI do agree some things have changed, but the laser eye issue HAS NOT. How do you MedTech explain this artice by the DND dated July 25th. (http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=2407)
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Applicants who have had corrective (laser) eye surgery are not eligible for entry into the pilot occupation.

And my advice is probably a lot better then most as I have had 4 tests on my eyes by the military and 1 for the military to provide a third opinion. I did also state to go to the Medic at the recruiting station to verify my information. And no I am not an applicant for pilot at the moment, long story, will write it when I finally get into the CF. So  bla :P MedTech, lol just joking, I know you also want to help this guy out. 

I am glad they did make alterations to the standards, as I had known many good candidates that had been denied with very small deviances from the perfect vision.  :cdn:





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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2007, 13:26:19 »
How do you MedTech explain this artice by the DND dated July 25th. (http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=2407)

I don't know what I have to explain. I already said that the vision category has been dropped from V1 - V2. That's the BIGGEST change so far for Pilot applicants.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 13:46:51 »
R.O.S.,

This was the 4th reply to the original post:

At this point in time, laser eye surgery is not acceptable for pilots.  However, they have lowered the admission levels to V2 - which you may currently fall under.

Your post was unnecessary (wrt laser surgery) and incorrect (wrt vision standards).
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2007, 13:53:38 »
Can we move along now ?

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2007, 00:10:35 »
Folks,

Thanks for all the help and great advice.  My wife just infomed me that I absolutely do not meet the vision requirements to become a pilot (she is an Optometrist after all).  I'm -5 in one eye, -4.75 in the other but no where near 6/12 or 6/18 uncorrected.  Corrected I am 20/20.  Despite this setback I will go ahead with the education and private pilots license in hopes the CF changes the rules eventually.  The change can only mean good things for myself but to tell you the truth it's so damn disheartening.  I'm not one to sulk, have to suck it up and carry-on, right?

If anyone knows of anything different in terms of vision requirements or know another way to become a combat pilot then I am all ears.  Would the US be willing to sign on a Canadian citizen as an air force pilot (I know I know...I shouldn'y bring the USAF into this forum - dumb question)?

Cpl Jay

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 08:07:48 »
Short answer, is no! You need to be a citizen of the Us of A. Maximum age is 35, and that's in the army Warrant officer program. In Europe, most of the country's maximum age for pilot is 25.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2007, 08:36:10 »
jzaidi1,

You could really enjoy flying off the island or in Brampton and until you have given that a chance, don't feel so bad about it. You make good money; why not get an aerobatic rating once your PPL is out of the way? Trust me, it is loads of fun!

Good luck with your studies and ratings.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2007, 18:16:36 »
You could also look into AirNav, Flight Engineer roles, etc if you want to be up the skies....

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2007, 18:25:23 »
You could also look into AirNav, Flight Engineer roles, etc if you want to be up the skies....

Not to burst any bubbles but given his eyesight that would be doubtfull for Airnav or FE.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2007, 21:17:06 »
Well by the time I earn a degree (or start pursuing one) I'll be too old (IMHO) to be selected for fixed wing (I'm talking CF-18s) duties.


40% and perhaps a little bit more of current cockpit allocations are for rotary wing.
I wouldn't come into the training program with a "fixed wing" only attitude - you stand a 40% chance of being disappointed.
Out of the the fixed wing selection slots only a small percentage are selected for fighter force.
Coming into the career field with an "I'm going to be a fighter pilot only" ... chances are ... you'll most likely be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Just trying to shine some light of reality for you - that's all.
Don't put all your eggs in the "I'm gonna' be a fighter pilot only man .." basket.

Don't shoot the messenger.
Best wishes if you do try out - it's a great career regardless of what cockpit you end up in.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2007, 22:00:07 »
Folks,

Again thank you for the constructive criticism and words of wisdom.  I may have misrepresented myself when I lead you to believe that "Fast Air" is the only thing I am interested in.  Althought that is HIGHLY desirable I would have been happy enough to sit in a chopper or transport aircraft.

Funny how things turn around from day to day.  My wife mentioned that there is a "relavtively" new but long/cumbersome way to improve eyesight without surgery.  It's called Ortho-K (Orthokeratology).  Basically it's an eye re-shaping lens that is worn at night - there is a possibility of become 6/6 (20/20 imperial measurements) but it will take a couple of years.  It permanently re-shapes the cornea without the disadvantages of going Lasik or PRK (scarring or residual flaps).  Ortho-K will have to be worn every night for the rest of your life once you hit your target eyesight but it's worth it in my opinion.  My wife is going to point me to a few resources.  I'll post my results here but you can also perform a google search on the aforementioned keywords.

I may have found my "in" but of course I am cautiously optimistic.  One step at a time - get started on my education, get fit(ter) and find out more about Ortho-K.  There is a silver cloud to all of this.

Cpl Jay

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2007, 22:04:46 »
40% and perhaps a little bit more of current cockpit allocations are for rotary wing.
I wouldn't come into the training program with a "fixed wing" only attitude - you stand a 40% chance of being disappointed.
Out of the the fixed wing selection slots only a small percentage are selected for fighter force.
Coming into the career field with an "I'm going to be a fighter pilot only" ... chances are ... you'll most likely be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Just trying to shine some light of reality for you - that's all.
Don't put all your eggs in the "I'm gonna' be a fighter pilot only man .." basket.

Don't shoot the messenger.
Best wishes if you do try out - it's a great career regardless of what cockpit you end up in.

Globemasher, in the recent selections and the next few, they try to give Jets to anyone who has the marks to do it and wants it.  The rest is split 50/50 (maybe a little more helos, depending on the size of the course) between helos and multis.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2007, 23:19:16 »
Funny how things turn around from day to day.  My wife mentioned that there is a "relavtively" new but long/cumbersome way to improve eyesight without surgery.  It's called Ortho-K (Orthokeratology).  Basically it's an eye re-shaping lens that is worn at night - there is a possibility of become 6/6 (20/20 imperial measurements) but it will take a couple of years.  It permanently re-shapes the cornea without the disadvantages of going Lasik or PRK (scarring or residual flaps).  Ortho-K will have to be worn every night for the rest of your life once you hit your target eyesight but it's worth it in my opinion. 

Your first step should be to verify if Ortho-K is allowed for new pilots. With recent changes to the visual standard your best bet would be to contact the research center in Toronto to get the latest and most accurate info and maybe a glimpse of the future.
http://www.toronto.drdc-rddc.gc.ca/contactus_e.html

Your wife would probably be the person to drop them an email/phone call as she knows all the optometry mumbo jumbo. If you get any relevant info, it would be nice if you could share it with us for future reference.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2007, 23:20:00 »
Not to burst any bubbles but given his eyesight that would be doubtfull for Airnav or FE.

Can someone confirm whether or not corrected vision was not just allowed for all non-pilot aircrew?

So if he corrects his vision, wouldn't he be ok for Airnav or FE?


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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2007, 23:31:12 »
It can be.  Depending on the results.  Plus he would have to be a viable candidate for the surgery to begin with.

Now that I've strayed way out of my lane, the best thing would be for him to talk to a PA at the CFRC/D who can give him the real correct answer.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2007, 09:00:50 »
So my dream is helos!! Most of the guys/gals I meet all say fighter's!!! Which should be great for me!! ;D ;D :salute:
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2007, 13:25:44 »
muahahaha volition you and I both man. I was convinced to try out for TacHel when I actually get in as a pilot (when ever that maybe). I heard there's a need for them  ;)
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2007, 14:32:07 »
I bet you would have to do all the fixed wing stuff first right?? Did transport canada rule that flying an airplane is dangerous to flying a helicopter after??

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2007, 15:26:51 »
I bet you would have to do all the fixed wing stuff first right?? Did transport canada rule that flying an airplane is dangerous to flying a helicopter after??

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Please take my advice and read through the fora here before posting anything else. You may then be able to post intelligently.

And fill out your profile.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2007, 11:48:25 »
Hi,

I will be walking into a recruitment centre early next week to explore options.  Not to apply for pilot as of yet but at least establish a relationship with a recruitment officer and seek his/her guidance.

Anyone thing this is a good step so early in the process of "tranforming" myself from a Bay Street geek into a formidable candidate?  Some info I will be seeking will centre around education, the right steps, eyesight, etc.

Thoughts?

Cpl Jay

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2007, 13:07:27 »
If you want an official answer, the only way to get it is from the CFRC.

Do note that recruiting can't tell you about eyesight, and that you'll have to speak to a PA from the Medical Section about that.

On the education standpoint, my best advice to you is to get accepted into a University Degree program, and if possible, have some solid marks to show for that, particularly if your previous marks were crap.


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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2007, 12:25:27 »
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Hate to burst the bubble.... but laser eye will not be accepted in the RCAF. It is currently accepted in USAF, but not in RCAF.

Of course it won't be accepted in the RCAF because there is no longer such as organization.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2007, 13:48:00 »
Let us know what they tell ya!! Thanx :salute:

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2007, 13:49:14 »
And how did I get -10?? >:(

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2007, 14:00:12 »
And how did I get -10?? >:(

I would say that it's probably because many people agree with this statement:

You have no clue what you are talking about.


If you go and see replies to some of the other posts that you have put on here, you will see similar comments.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2007, 14:04:14 »
I'm willing to bet it has to do with your posts and lack of info on your profile.  just make sure you know what you are talking about and back it up.  

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2007, 14:06:08 »
I looked, and it's true that you have to do 2 course of flying airplanes before you'll ever get to touch a helicopter in the forces!!! In a safety letter release by transport Canada, it's states that having thousands of hours of airplane time, could hender your emergency performances in a helicopter. Trust me, i've done my research!!!

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2007, 14:11:41 »
Well I am sure the actual pilots we have as members of this site will confirm or refute the information as presented....
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2007, 14:12:44 »
I looked, and it's true that you have to do 2 course of flying airplanes before you'll ever get to touch a helicopter in the forces!!! In a safety letter release by transport Canada, it's states that having thousands of hours of airplane time, could hender your emergency performances in a helicopter. Trust me, i've done my research!!!

As stated several times, your lack of a profile is what is making it difficult for people to believe that you are knowledgeable in the areas of which you are speaking, research or not.  If you look at the profiles of the members who are making statements throughout the threads you are posting on, you will notice that they are qualified personnel in the fields that they are providing information on.  (and what Ex-D said too while I was typing this up!)
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2007, 14:22:01 »
Well yes it's true that you have to go to PFT, then BFT training before your selected to do Helicopter training. I read that before about very experienced airplane pilots going to Helicopters...but your not a very experienced pilot comimg out of PFT, and BFT!! I guess people were hard on you because you had no profile, not because of your information that's about 80% right. ;)
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2007, 14:38:12 »
For those wondering about the Lazer eye crap.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,33536.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,31590.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,16801.0.html

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2007, 21:07:24 »
Spelled laser , as it is an acronym. Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.   ;)  Useless information of the day...

Congrats on the success of the correction, and best of luck with your new career choice!


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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2007, 21:11:56 »
I looked, and it's true that you have to do 2 course of flying airplanes before you'll ever get to touch a helicopter in the forces!!! In a safety letter release by transport Canada, it's states that having thousands of hours of airplane time, could hender your emergency performances in a helicopter. Trust me, i've done my research!!!

From my experience around here on the boards, people generally look for either of two things, preferably both, before they take what you say as having any worth:

1 - Straight-up "in-lane" experience
2 - Research with references cited.  (That means if you are going to quote Transport Canada from a google search, at least provide the link to the TC document you are talking about.  Otherwise, I'm going to tell you that I researched and Transport Canada just changed the rules and now Cats and Dogs can be Aircrew, but only if Cats are the Pilot and Dogs are the Co-Pilot.)

It goes without saying that at least an attempt at proper grammar and use of the spell-check features for obvious errors goes a long way for credibility.

(Since you asked).

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2007, 10:10:27 »
Update,

I have not gone to the CFRC yet but doing so on Wednesday.  Work is a bit crazy - had to fire one of our consultants yesterday (never a good thing) so that ate up a large chunk of my day.  Anyway - I will post my inital meeting results.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2007, 14:14:57 »
Hey folks,

I apologize for the absence.  I went to Vegas for a few days (all business of course).  I met with a CFRC rep on Thursday but of course I was a little rushed for time (work emergency).  He asked me to book a time for next week to have a face to face sit down which I am attempting to schedule.  He mentioned that he does not have ALL of the details regarding eyesight but will have documents ready for review when we meet.

Thanks,
CPL Jay

p.s On another note - saw the planes/terminal that the US Gov't uses to fly workers to Area 51 everyday, very weird to see unmarked Boeings fly in-out of Vegas constantly.  White planes with a red stripe running through the middle with no tail markers.  COOL!!

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2007, 01:30:51 »
So, after all, are pilots much needed these days?  When I first applied 2.5 years ago AF pilot jobs were posted in job bank.   What is the demography now?  Any chance I will actually land meaningful employment?  My security clearance went through just a few days ago hence I am back here asking questions.

Regarding fixed wing pilot flying helicopter - I am very low time pilot and I had a chance to try R22 a few days ago.  Not only that I enjoyed the flight,  I found cruising helo is similar to fixed wing, hovering was wobbly of course but I had fun nevertheless.  I guess there is a reason for a huge credit to commercial fixed wing pilots taking up commercial helicopter training, their flying time requirements are cut down to almost half.  Until a few days ago all I was thinking is fast jets.  Now I do not care, it is all good.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2007, 09:03:18 »
The pilot trade is closed!! They even closed Trenton for ACS recruiting for a while now! :rage:
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2007, 09:56:38 »
"Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.?"

Stay focused, continue with your life, but stay focused on your goal. Joining the CF is the easiest phase of training. Provided things work out there will be many more stressful times along the path to wings. A friend of mine pulled out our old platoon shirt everyone makes in St. Jean. Of the 20 pilots names on the back of the shirt, 10 have made it past PFT and Moose Jaw. So even if you get in, there are no guarantees.

It is important to understand that wings are not a measure of who you are- but stay focused, dream big and work harder.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2007, 01:43:37 »
"Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.?"

Stay focused, continue with your life, but stay focused on your goal. Joining the CF is the easiest phase of training. Provided things work out there will be many more stressful times along the path to wings. A friend of mine pulled out our old platoon shirt everyone makes in St. Jean. Of the 20 pilots names on the back of the shirt, 10 have made it past PFT and Moose Jaw. So even if you get in, there are no guarantees.

It is important to understand that wings are not a measure of who you are- but stay focused, dream big and work harder.

Bograt, thats pretty good drop out rate.  What is happening, generally?  If you can elaborate a little bit.  Is it intensity of training program?  Life in CF or what?  I cannot see any problem if I ever join, in fact the biggest obstacle I see is an interview in a few days ahead of me and board decision - i.e.  things a do not have control over, everything else is doable, is it not?

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2007, 01:59:01 »
Is it intensity of training program? 

Pilot training in the CF is one of the most task-intensive, stressful and complicate trades that exists.  Cases of failure is not uncommon, most times the weaker candidates are phased out earlier on - some make it to within one flight of their Wings Grad and are removed at that point.  The interview at the CFRC is pretty much a non-event in the whole scheme of things.  I can't even remember any of the questions asked - I remember almost every flight and all the tests that I had to endure in my 2.5 years in training.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2007, 13:58:36 »
I cannot see any problem if I ever join, in fact the biggest obstacle I see is an interview in a few days ahead of me and board decision - i.e.  things a do not have control over, everything else is doable, is it not?

Thanks, you made me laugh this morning. It is humorous to see such naivety. Please don't misinterpret my response as arrogance or an affront to your flying abilities. What you are contemplating as a career choice is extremely challenging regardless of your background. Last week a friend of mine was CT'd. He had a degree from a recognized aviation college in Canada and had over 1000 hrs of time with a small charter company in Atlantic Canada. I am also aware of a former Pakistani mirage pilot who immigrated to Canada and later joined the CF as a Pilot. He was immediately placed in Phase 3 in Moose Jaw, only to be recoursed to Phase 2. He was later selected to go multi. He failed out.

There are no cocky pilots after Moose Jaw. It is beaten out of them and replaced with humble confidence.

Good luck, and as I said before joining is the easiest step.
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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2007, 14:19:28 »


There are no cocky pilots after Moose Jaw. It is beaten out of them and replaced with humble confidence.


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« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2007, 14:31:00 »
Short answer to my question was - it is intencity and complexity of training program.  I am glad I made someone laugh meanwhile.  By the way, I was never cocky, all I am saying drop out rate didn't change my mind at all.  And, board decision is not under my control, while my performance during flying lessons is. 

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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2007, 18:58:02 »
:rofl:

Wait until you get operational unit. Trust me.........

It is humble confidence.... you should see what they are like before they finish the Jaw. ;)

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2007, 00:19:14 »
The pilot trade is closed!! They even closed Trenton for ACS recruiting for a while now! :rage:

It is starting up again. I recently received a date in April.

Weiss, if you haven't already had the interview, I am sure you can imagine what sort of questions they will ask you. It isn't that bad. Start thinking about your answers and good luck!

I've had so many different worries/thoughts enter my mind about the various training phases right from stepping off the bus in St.Jean to MJ and beyond. I've always wondered how I would do if I received an offer mainly because of my thin log book. Reading your stories certainly give me more to think about while I watch the 144's in the circuit. Thanks for sharing your stories about the training.


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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2007, 01:02:42 »

I cannot see any problem if I ever join, in fact the biggest obstacle I see is an interview in a few days ahead of me and board decision - i.e.  things a do not have control over, everything else is doable, is it not?

Thanks, you made me laugh this morning. It is humorous to see such naivety. Please don't misinterpret my response as arrogance or an affront to your flying abilities. What you are contemplating as a career choice is extremely challenging regardless of your background. Last week a friend of mine was CT'd. He had a degree from a recognized aviation college in Canada and had over 1000 hrs of time with a small charter company in Atlantic Canada. I am also aware of a former Pakistani mirage pilot who immigrated to Canada and later joined the CF as a Pilot. He was immediately placed in Phase 3 in Moose Jaw, only to be recoursed to Phase 2. He was later selected to go multi. He failed out.

There are no cocky pilots after Moose Jaw. It is beaten out of them and replaced with humble confidence.

Good luck, and as I said before joining is the easiest step.

Actually, to quote you..."Thanks, you made me laugh this morning"  On the chuckles side, Bograt, I'm glad you see that the arrogance/cockiness thing is solved by the time you guys graduate from Moose Jaw.  ;D

Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with Weiss' attitude...there's a lot of truth to the "change those things you have control over, learn to accept those you don't"  If I'm reading him right, he's saying that the interview is not really something he can shape, but how he works during training clearly is.  Makes sense to me -- not seeing any naivety there.

Weiss, don't feel dirty or anything if your thoughts are straying from the raging desire to be a seized-rotor wank.  ;)

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2007, 10:41:48 »
It is starting up again. I recently received a date in April.

Weiss, if you haven't already had the interview, I am sure you can imagine what sort of questions they will ask you. It isn't that bad. Start thinking about your answers and good luck!

I've had so many different worries/thoughts enter my mind about the various training phases right from stepping off the bus in St.Jean to MJ and beyond. I've always wondered how I would do if I received an offer mainly because of my thin log book. Reading your stories certainly give me more to think about while I watch the 144's in the circuit. Thanks for sharing your stories about the training.



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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2008, 15:25:15 »
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with Weiss' attitude...G2G

G2G, thank you.  I almost began worrying about my communication skills. 

Haven't made to interview yet.  Just got a call few days ago - question was if I still want to go to interview as pilot trade is still closed.  I said yes and now I am back to waiting and holding my breath.

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2008, 01:52:09 »
Well,

It's nice to see the thread has been kept alive...unlike my dream of becoming a fighter pilot (or A pilot at all) in the CF.  CF recruiting gave me the final word - there will be no exemptions for anyone with less than V1/V2 eyesight.  I pulled every last bit of data I could to have a hearing with a committee but no go.  I even connected with several current CF-18 pilots who gave me some great advice.  My time served in the Army was the only reason why the recruiter would even table such a request to see if exemptions are possible.  He did his best!!

I'm 33 now - even if I was accepted and had approved laser surgery it would take me 4 years of training and general "time in" to complete CF-18 pilot training, IF I ever made it that far.  At 37 the days would be numbered as an operational fighter pilot (be lucky to get 3 years of experience at that point).  Most fly from age 29-36 and then move on to something else.  The body just can't take the daily pounding nor can it recover as quickly at that age - fighter pilot I am talking about.

Well I have started looking at ground school to at least get a private pilots license - a small consolation to the great dream.  I ask anyone who has the education, physical ability and smarts to have a chance in the CF as a pilot not to hesitate one moment.  Join the Air Force in another occupation if you have to a re-muster after several years.

I'm signing off for now but will check periodically.  You all have been great!!

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Re: Any chance to become a pilot now?
« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2008, 13:47:04 »
CPL Jay....enjoy the private licence.  Sure, a 172 isn't a Hornet (although for a lot of people that's a benefit instead of a drawback), but just being up in the air is a lot of fun, and the first time you take your wife for a sight seeing tour with you at the controls makes the cost worth it.