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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #175 on: October 29, 2007, 18:56:14 »
I get that Munxcub, honestly I do.  I have no problems with legitimate protests per se.  Yet to have a university student stand up on her hind legs and declare that, for her, in order for her to be exercising her democratic rights and freedom of speech, she must "stop things from happening."  So no wonder the right-of-center is called un-democratic, we're not stopping enough from happening, I guess.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #176 on: October 29, 2007, 19:11:11 »
Perhaps it would help if they could actually see what would eventually happen if she along with the others like here suceeded in stoping in any actions.

Personally I also think that her comment is off-the-wall ridiculous, Why is it none of these kids understand that without our military, democracy would not prevail?
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #177 on: October 29, 2007, 20:44:27 »
I would be interested to see a break down of the stats...
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #178 on: October 29, 2007, 20:46:27 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmKub_BXXV8

Enough of that. Its all over. Membership in these unions should be voluntary and their activities heavily curtailed. I dont care if most students dont give a rats *** about the union

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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #179 on: November 01, 2007, 10:46:57 »
Listening to Sounds Like Canada on CBC radio right now.  The opponents on military recruitment in schools just called the recruiters liars.  These people need to look in a mirror.   >:(
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #180 on: November 01, 2007, 11:33:41 »
Liars? I wish they would come up with some founded proof to that claim

I have met some unfounded truths lately too, more specifically people going around telling people that oh they dont have to fully train you they ship you out to war as soon as your basic is done.....  what a load of BS that is
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #181 on: November 01, 2007, 11:37:25 »
I sent an email to the CBC radio site for the program which (basically) stated:

"How dare these people call anyone in the Canadian military (an honourable career) a liar!
The opponents to military recruitment in high schools and universities need to get educated about what out military actually does and stop spouting half-truths and unbased facts."
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #182 on: November 01, 2007, 11:40:21 »
My objection was to the odious comparison of the military to prostitutes. I take personal offence to that bit and I complained to "Sounds Like Canada," the CBC Ombudsman and the Minister of Canadian Heritage.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #183 on: November 01, 2007, 11:44:36 »
My objection was to the odious comparison of the military to prostitutes. I take personal offence to that bit and I complained to "Sounds Like Canada," the CBC Ombudsman and the Minister of Canadian Heritage.

Yes, that one impressed me as well.  >:(  I also liked the comment near the end where the guy said he'd like to get rid of the military completely.  I thought, "Next time there's an ice storm or a flood, don't call us."  Then I recalled the old saying "I don't agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it."  :-\
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #184 on: November 01, 2007, 11:49:50 »
Yes lets disband the military, and then when Kim Jong II has gone completely raving mad (not that he already isnt, but.. ) and then decides to become this century's major facist dictator we will let that F-Bag defend the countries freedom.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #185 on: November 01, 2007, 13:13:59 »
I would LOVE to have someone call me aliar to my face, while I am IN uniform and performing recruiting duties. I have yet to meet a civi that did not walk away with achange of heart after talking to me. If they didn't I have at least put a doubt in their mind about their beliefs... Boo ya.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #186 on: November 01, 2007, 13:42:03 »
Nothing you could say would have mattered to these two opponents. (Where the heck do they find these nut bars?)
The female guest seemed to think that all high school students were stupid in that they wouldn't realize what they were getting into by signing up for the military.  Her opinion was that if you go to war, you may get killed but even if you do come back alive you will have some kind of injury.  One of the guys here wondered if she'd ever walked some streets in Toronto.  At least in the military you can defend yourself.  ;)  Then she implied that the military was targeting people who were suicidal.....yeah, that's just what we need..... ::)
The male guest was worse, he seemed to think that the military just wants to give you a gun and get you to shoot people.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #187 on: November 01, 2007, 16:36:19 »
>"For me, exercising my democratic right and freedom of speech is about taking actions to actually stop things from happening," student Jennifer King said.

So everything turned out democratically; a bunch of people stopped a thing (the ban on a recruiting presence in the UVIC SUB) from happening.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #188 on: November 01, 2007, 18:05:06 »
Listening to Sounds Like Canada on CBC radio right now.  The opponents on military recruitment in schools just called the recruiters liars.  These people need to look in a mirror.   >:(

Many CBC stories in all their media (radio/television/websites) have such an obvious bias that I no longer look to them for any factual information, rather I am examining the stories in the sense of examining enemy "PSYOPS". Recent stories about Canadian arms exports (suggesting there was something sinister about private companies not releasing their trade and financial secrets) or the CBC reporter saying the current battle against the Taliban north of Kandahar city openly states they are in contact on the edge of the city; even though the contact is 25 + Km away. The fact the reporter is always reporting from inside KAF is pretty signifigent (hey CBC lurkers; a lot of us have been to KAF and know pretty much where inside the base she is reporting from, and also about how long it would take for her to actually go to the battlegfield and, you know, report on what is happening). I am sure lots of other readers have their own favorite examples.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #189 on: November 05, 2007, 16:14:59 »
A little follow up. The UVSS meeting minutes were updated since this whole fiasco started
If you are bored; get off on reading about protocol; or genuinely want to read this stuff you can check it out here

http://www.uvss.uvic.ca/index.php?page=meeting-minutes

for the 24 Sept 07 ;
17 Oct 07 meetings.
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #190 on: November 05, 2007, 19:52:04 »
That's a good read.  Its extremely satisfying to see self-important board members stewing in their own sweat after verbally high-fiving each other at their prior meeting.  The discussion clearly outlined that the 'anti-war' proponents had little in the way of facts other than their own opinions.  The board members were also well-skewered by the comments about support to political groups on campus when it was pointed out their blindness in failing to acknowledge that if they really object to the CF overseas they should be confronting the federal government. 

As to post-incident ramifications, a lot of current board members are going to asked about their international beliefs come next election time...


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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #191 on: December 14, 2007, 18:27:14 »
Her opinion was that if you go to war, you may get killed but even if you do come back alive you will have some kind of injury. 

whoa are you telling me that by joining the Army I may be put in harms way!!!!!!! no body told me that when I was recruited or made me sign anything stating that I was aware of possible danger to my person. :crybaby:
But seriously I dont think most canadians agree with the opinions of these said persons. I just received my job offer today and I am fully aware of what the military entails as a career especially as a Combat Engineer and no one lied to me during the process.

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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #192 on: December 31, 2007, 22:45:55 »
I think the following puts a fairly good slant on the mindset of the majority of students.....


A young woman was about to finish her first year of University.  Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Federal liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favour of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Conservative, a feeling she openly expressed.  Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harboured an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.  The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.  He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew.  She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by.  All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA.  She is so popular on campus; University for her is a blast.  She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0.  That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea.  How would that be fair?  I've worked really hard for my grades!  I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree.  She played while I worked my tail off!"

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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #193 on: December 31, 2007, 23:52:09 »
I think the following puts a fairly good slant on the mindset of the majority of students.....


A young woman was about to finish her first year of University.  Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Federal liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favour of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Conservative, a feeling she openly expressed.  Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harboured an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.  The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.  He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew.  She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by.  All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA.  She is so popular on campus; University for her is a blast.  She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0.  That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea.  How would that be fair?  I've worked really hard for my grades!  I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree.  She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Conservative Party."


That actually made me chuckle :)
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Re: UVIC threads on Recruiting, Protests & Students against War
« Reply #194 on: January 01, 2008, 11:50:05 »
I like.

We could use more arguments like that...