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Air Nav name change?
« on: October 07, 2007, 17:10:55 »
Question for all in the know, but I've been hearing random rumours that Air Navigators are getting the trade's name changed.  Anyone able to confirm/refute this?  And what will the name be called? 
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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2007, 19:31:32 »
I've heard "Airborne Warfare Officer", but that is just a dirty rumour at this point.  Makes sense as Nav's don't really do much Navin' anymore!

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2007, 19:54:02 »
The last I heard was Airborne Combat Sensor Officer put I think it's still tentative

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 03:37:16 »
The last I heard was Airborne Combat Sensor Officer put I think it's still tentative

The new name put forward was "airborne combat systems officer"

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 05:12:13 »
I heard they were going to give them all lobotomies and then rename them all AESOPs....  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 07:55:40 »
I heard they were going to give them all lobotomies and then rename them all AESOPs....  ;D

I think the AES Op name is changing too so it should be available to them :D

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 08:08:30 »
I heard they were going to give them all lobotomies and then rename them all AESOPs....  ;D

Let's seee.........  AESOP takes over Radio Operator , AESOP takes over Navigator. 8)
Next thing you know those uppity NCMs will want to fly the thing.  >:D  :D
Like that's never been done before.  >:D

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 12:14:14 »
I think the AES Op name is changing too so it should be available to them :D

Air Combat Surveillance Specialist........


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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 12:37:56 »
Air Combat Surveillance Specialist........


...i'm not kidding

Ahhh, that was it. We got some briefing about it on squadron but I couldn't remember the exact names. Too bad, AES Op has a certain flair :D

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 12:40:57 »
Well, now you have ACceSS.......you can get into anything.     ;D
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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 14:22:55 »
Air Combat Surveillance Specialist........


My vote is to take combat out of the name.

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2007, 14:30:07 »
My vote is to take combat out of the name.

i didnt realize there was a vote on it

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 19:15:42 »
Actually ACSS sounds pretty cool :) but that's just me  :)
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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 11:21:44 »
ACSS does sound cool, but without the "C" it now becomes A S S....  So what trade are you?  I'm an A S S

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 11:37:28 »
If the shoe fits...... ;)
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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2007, 19:26:29 »
The last that I heard the ACSS was closed and they are going to be staying AESOp, at least for the near future.

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2007, 17:55:28 »
Is there some particular requirement that calls for the name of the occupation to change?
But not lately. If I could do it all over again I would  change one thing.

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2007, 17:56:34 »
Well, navigators hardly "navigate" anymore for one.

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2007, 19:17:28 »
Well, navigators hardly "navigate" anymore for one.

http://www.topaces.ca/Services.html

http://www.topaces.ca/TA%20Article21.06.pdf

Two references to Navs where they are referred to as  EWOs.


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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2007, 19:23:31 »
http://www.topaces.ca/Services.html

http://www.topaces.ca/TA%20Article21.06.pdf

Two references to Navs where they are referred to as  EWOs.



Thats because they are employed as such. The term "navigator" is all but dead in practical terms. On an Aurora, 3 of the 4 "navigators" dont navigate anything.

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2007, 19:37:03 »
And some interesting Wiki reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Systems_Officer_%28US_Air_Force%29

Combat Systems Officer (US Air Force)

Combat Systems Officer is the new term for US Air Force navigators who attend Combat Systems Officer training at either Randolph AFB, TX or Naval Air Station, Pensacola. CSO training merges three training tracks formerly known as the Panel Navigator (NAV) track, the Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) track and the Electronic Warfare Officer (EWO) track into one coherent training cycle in order to produce a rated officer who is more versatile. The only separation that currently exists between navigator candidates attending training at Randolph and those who attend at NAS Pensacola lies in the type of aircraft the candidates will later fly. Navigators graduating from Randolph AFB will fly transport, special operations, or B-52 bomber aircraft where navigators from NAS Pensacola fly either the B1-B bomber or the F-15E strike fighter.

At Randolph AFB, the 562d Flying Training Squadron of the 12th Flying Training Wing currently teaches the inflight navigation portion with the T-43A trainer while the 563d Flying Training Squadron teaches the electronic warfare portion.


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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2007, 20:01:25 »
It just seems rather odd to change the name to reflect some very specific role when navs have been used in a number of roles since forever. What applies in ASW does not in transport or other functions. Lots of occupational "tags" don't have a whole lot to do with the specific role of the person doing the job. If every occupation in the military was identified by role there would be a never ending list of identities.
But not lately. If I could do it all over again I would  change one thing.

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2007, 21:25:09 »
http://www.topaces.ca/Services.html

http://www.topaces.ca/TA%20Article21.06.pdf

Two references to Navs where they are referred to as  EWOs.



While it is true that they are called EWOs they are still navigators by trade.  Just like Seakings we are called TACCOs TACtical COordinators.  The Aurora has different positional names for their Navs too, it is just a matter of reference to their position.  Overall everyone is still qualified as a AirNav.  I know that the thought of us getting renamed has died off for the moment, although it will be back again, but if they want to rename us to something a little more descriptive of the jobs we actually do then we should. 

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2007, 21:53:28 »
Here's a good new name :  UAV Operators :D

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Re: Air Nav name change?
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2007, 22:00:32 »
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Here's a good new name :  UAV Operators

Max

Oh no Max, my dear misguided "friend".  The Nav Occupation is not to be trusted with an Instrument Ticket- therefore, only pilots can be "UAV Operators".  Maybe  you can be one someday- if you pass Moose Jaw.