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Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« on: February 22, 2008, 14:19:39 »
Before you go any further, READ the whole scenario here: Killing Keyboards   http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,71137.0.html   

QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF

1     “I am no one they care about?”  

That may be true for now, but you never know when one on-line posting will bring YOU to their attention.

Chris was just another name in a file until they needed some inside information about his program.  It never occurred to him that an intelligence agency would target him for a piece of information, but they did.


Some things to think about.

Chris had no idea that just confirming that the Clariden DSP chip was in use would be enough to hurt or kill.  But that one small piece of information was the last piece in the puzzle that the enemy was putting together.

While Chris thought he was careful, it is difficult to know exactly what an adversary is looking for, and if what you have may be of benefit.



2     “I don’t have ANY adversaries!”

Feel like all of this “war” and “terrorist” or “adversary” talk is about someone else?

Take a quick look at some other groups that use these exact same on-line information gathering techniques.

Some things to think about.

Former girlfriends, boyfriends, divorced spouses.
Angry neighbors, people you only knew casually.
Disgruntled co-workers, employees, temporary workers.

Identity thieves.  (Try a Google search on your name.)
Pedophiles seeking information to convince your children that they should be trusted

Anyone else who might want a little information about you, even just to know you better than you want them to.



3     “I’m smarter than the enemy!”

It’s a common feeling.  People interviewed often say they know they are smarter than “some guy who is now just sitting in a cave hiding from us.”

Chris knew he was smarter than any adversary when he used careful expressions like, “I can’t say how I know.”

Some things to think about.

In addition to small radical groups, our adversaries are some of the largest nations in the world, who are willing to spend BILLIONS of dollars to gain an economic advantage.  Information theft is a good investment for them, even if they just trade it for something they want.

Some of the world’s best intelligence agencies are training young people as experts to go and gather information for them.  You are up against the experts!


4     “I don’t post on the Internet”

Not posting may help you somewhat, but it is just one example of how you can come to the attention of someone with bad intentions.

Another source is unencrypted email messages which are either misrouted, intercepted, or gathered by adversaries on discarded or poorly protected backup tapes.  Stealing backup tapes is a common occurrence.

Some things to think about.

Remember that Chris did not know about all of the information sources that had information about him.  He only thought about the sites he dealt with.  Most of the others you don’t have control over, but you do have control to encrypt email and post as little “account” information as you can on web sites.



5    “What about the Coffee Shop?”  

The coffee shop was a reminder that while there are good business reasons to target defense contractors, etc., as customers, those methods are also good ways to gather sensitive information.

Most front businesses will not be called “Terrorist Coffee” so you need to pay attention to the less obvious.

Some things to think about.

Free Internet also provides a way to capture network traffic, including personal email passwords that are often similar to work passwords.  Every puzzle piece helps them.

Free Quiet Rooms encourage “sensitive” conversations in rooms that may have listening devices.

By showing a badge, “bad guys” know any time a facility changes its badge, and when new security like “smart chips” are rolled out.  If they have infiltrated a facility, they know to update their fake badges by the next day.









Don’t feel hopeless

Increasing your awareness that you really are a potential target,
remembering that being “clever” in a conversation or email is very likely to fail,
limiting what you can on the Internet, and encrypting all email and drive storage you are able to –  Really can make the difference!

« Last Edit: February 23, 2008, 11:56:28 by George Wallace »
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 14:24:58 »
So, I guess changing my screen name at Christmas didn't help???  ;D

Googling your name is a good idea, however it can yield some interesting and, at times, highly entertaining results.

Someone I know very well Googled her name and, although there were no hits for the "real her", she discovered she shares her name with a transvestite porn star. :o

Seriously, though, you could discover some interseting insights into your life and how you are seen on the World Wide Web.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2008, 21:33:50 by Haggis »
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 17:48:20 »
Awesome post George!
Thanks!
"A patrol enters a village that has been wiped out save a few women and children, alive in a ditch filled with bodies. There is 30% AIDS in the area. There is blood everywhere, no rubber gloves. Does commander order his troops into the ditch risking AIDS, to help? 23 Commanders from the 26 nations present said they would order their troops to keep marching. Those from Holland, Ghana, and Canada couldn't answer. By the time they turned around their troops were already in the ditch" - Gen.Dallaire

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 17:52:37 »
Awesome post George!
Thanks!
+1. I think everyone should read it.
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 18:46:46 »
Bravo Zulu

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 19:22:34 »
and Chris story :


Killing with Keyboards

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 19:34:49 »
I am so sorry if people got fooled by the big letters and missed the very first line of the topic.


Read the whole scenario here: Killing Keyboards

QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 19:48:00 »
and Chris story :


Killing with Keyboards



Yeah, George posted the link in the first post.
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 19:54:26 »
 :-[

Saw it when I read George W reply ...
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 19:55:29 »
:-[

Saw it when I read George W reply ...
Oh my, now I see that he said that hahaha.
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2008, 08:53:47 »
Great piece - thanks for sharing.

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2008, 05:04:56 »
Something from the CF on this, shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act.

Military warns soldiers not to post info on Facebook
CBC.ca, 25 Feb 08, 20:10 PM MT
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The Defence Department is advising Canadian soldiers not to post personal photos and information on social networking websites like Facebook, citing security concerns.

The advisory was circulated in a memo obtained by CBC News. It warns soldiers not to appear in uniform in online photos and not to disclose their military connections.

"Al Qaeda operatives are monitoring Facebook and other social networking sites," the memo says.

"This may seem overdramatic … [but] the information can be used to target members for further exploitation. It also opens the door for your families and friends to become potential targets as well."

The Defence Department says it is also concerned with postings of photos and information from the battlefront in Afghanistan.

On Feb. 14, military official Brig.-Gen. Peter Atkinson warned against such battle scene postings.

"The insurgents could use this information to determine their success or their lack of it … and determine better ways to attack us," he told reporters in Ottawa.

Military families are already heeding the Defence Department's advice.

Samie Marchand-Whittle, whose husband is in the Canadian Forces, has closed public access to the Facebook page she maintains for military families.

"It's scary to know that they could find out personal information about our families, our children, where we live," said the Edmonton mother of two. "It is really scary."

But Sunil Ram, a professor of military history and land warfare at American Military University, questioned the military's warnings about posting information online.

"What we're really talking about is censorship more than anything else," he said on Monday. "This is the military's attempt to control the imagery of what is actually happening on the ground."


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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008, 06:28:45 »
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Samie Marchand-Whittle, whose husband is in the Canadian Forces, has closed public access to the Facebook page she maintains for military families.

"It's scary to know that they could find out personal information about our families, our children, where we live," said the Edmonton mother of two. "It is really scary."


If Marchand-Whittle was that concerned about her personal information, she should have kept her name and other personal information  out of this news release.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 06:36:04 »
Yep, particularly seeing she's the only on facebook with that name...
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 07:08:53 »
Something from the CF on this, shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act.

Military warns soldiers not to post info on Facebook
CBC.ca, 25 Feb 08, 20:10 PM MT
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But Sunil Ram, a professor of military history and land warfare at American Military University, questioned the military's warnings about posting information online.

"What we're really talking about is censorship more than anything else," he said on Monday. "This is the military's attempt to control the imagery of what is actually happening on the ground."



This is another reason to be very careful of what you post.  There are many "experts" out there who want nothing better than to gather their information from you.  This guy apparently knows nothing about Security Concerns and is posing as an expert to pick up tidbits so he can spew them to the media and look good.  He should in fact be expousing the same things as the CF and reinforcing their statement, but he is doing quite the opposite.  What agenda does he have to call this all folly on the part of the CF?
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 10:45:13 »
But Sunil Ram, a professor of military history and land warfare at American Military University, questioned the military's warnings about posting information online.

"What we're really talking about is censorship more than anything else," he said on Monday. "This is the military's attempt to control the imagery of what is actually happening on the ground."

There are times when censorship protects, This professor acts like theres a secret that the CF doesn't want you to know. The less information about individual military members there is on the net the safer their families and friends are imho and it sounds like thats more of what the CF is trying to do, not hide it's actions. A few of my buddies cancled their facebook accounts on this recomendation. I've considered dropping mine as well,
"A patrol enters a village that has been wiped out save a few women and children, alive in a ditch filled with bodies. There is 30% AIDS in the area. There is blood everywhere, no rubber gloves. Does commander order his troops into the ditch risking AIDS, to help? 23 Commanders from the 26 nations present said they would order their troops to keep marching. Those from Holland, Ghana, and Canada couldn't answer. By the time they turned around their troops were already in the ditch" - Gen.Dallaire

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 13:19:29 »
If you really want to find out how out to lunch he is, try this little exercise:

Go to Killing with Keyboards and follow the steps as laid out there and see how much you can find on yourself or someone else.  It may take some time and imagination, but you will be surprised at what you may find.  Of course you will find many people with the same name, but with a little patience, you will be able to sort them out by address, nationality, employment, contacts and friends on Facebook, phone numbers, blog sites, etc. 

Give it a try.
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 13:23:20 »
I found out George Wallace's secret identity.

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2008, 13:43:45 »
I found out George Wallace's secret identity.

Are you sure you got the right George Wallace?
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2008, 14:10:25 »
I see you're a fan of Kangol hats Mr. Wallace  ;)
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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2008, 16:17:29 »
Something from the CF on this, shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act.

Military warns soldiers not to post info on Facebook
CBC.ca, 25 Feb 08, 20:10 PM MT
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The Defence Department is advising Canadian soldiers not to post personal photos and information on social networking websites like Facebook, citing security concerns

Seen this posted at work today, with a must read attached (the CANFORGEN anyway).  I am surprised this site was not mentioned, as it has been in the past.
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It has come to my attention that these measures are not being followed, so for all Taliban; please refer to the above.

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2008, 23:05:47 »
If you really want to find out how out to lunch he is, try this little exercise:

Go to Killing with Keyboards and follow the steps as laid out there and see how much you can find on yourself or someone else.  It may take some time and imagination, but you will be surprised at what you may find.  Of course you will find many people with the same name, but with a little patience, you will be able to sort them out by address, nationality, employment, contacts and friends on Facebook, phone numbers, blog sites, etc. 

Give it a try.

Well it really does work, but it kind of makes me feel like a spy  :D

If I find you George, I'll be sure to send some flowers!

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2008, 23:12:04 »
Well it really does work, but it kind of makes me feel like a spy  :D

If I find you George, I'll be sure to send some flowers!

My pension as a former Foreign Minister has me living with a wonderful garden overlooking the ocean.  I don't really need the flowers.  A good bottle of Scotch may do though.    ;D



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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 02:08:20 »
Wow, that Chris guy must also work for GM. Where else would he get a 2004 Camaro  ;D


as for finding out about myself. Turns out i have stocks in some company (weird), and where/when i graduated from high school. Nothing else.

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Re: Do you really feel safe after you post on the Internet?
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2008, 02:34:56 »
as for finding out about myself. Turns out i have stocks in some company (weird), and where/when i graduated from high school. Nothing else.

Don't be too sure of that:

Rank - Private (from profile)
Trade - Signals Operator (SIG OP) 00329-01 (former MOC 215) (from profile plus Google search to confirm trade)
Signals unit (from avatar)
Current location identifiable from IP
Russian home town - "my 80K home town in middle of nowhere Russia" (your post)
Father's military service - "base where my dad used to work" "2Lt in radio/missile watching place" (your post)
Canadian home town Vancouver - "my old high school there was a coop term with either Vancouver police or local RCMP" (your post)
Vehicle - 1993 Honda Prelude (your post)

So, I'm looking for a 21 year old signaller driving a Prelude who knows Russian.

And that's from a quick scan of about half your posts here.  All someone needs to do to scan all of a member's posts is to stay under the DS radar and be a good little member, posting nothing controversial. We don't even notice the members with clean IPs, nicknames and email addresses that aren't stupid, or that make few or no posts.  Anyone who diligently wanted to mine the data here for the type of collection described above would get plenty to work with. We all forget the tidbits we post, and seldom imagine the picture we present of ourselves on line.