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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2015, 16:23:09 »
true that!!

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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2015, 08:52:28 »
Congrats Sparkplugs!

I just heard about this occupation, and can't find any info on it anywhere. The links in the threads won't work for me, on DWAN or non-DWAN, could you (or anyone else that can help) give me any info on where I can go to read about the application/selection process?

Thanks so much!

Thanks so much, everyone, looking forward to it! I was in Winnipeg last month for a Flight Safety course, and I grew up north of Thunder Bay, so I'm definitely well aware of the cold, haha!  :snowman:  I'm looking forward to the AMT, it's definitely something I never thought I'd be doing.  The SERE and Sea Survival parts, I'm hoping to wait until a little later in the year, hahahaha!

hbeanie, this is a DWAN link, but it has a ton of info, including a slide show, the pre-reqs, and information on what you need to do to apply. If you need any other info, let me know and I'll do what I can.

http://w08-ttn-vmweb01/cms/en/main/8WingUnitsandSquadrons/unitSelection/437TestPetra/437Flightattendant.aspx
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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2015, 13:14:38 »
BSERE is called something else now - Aircrew Survival Land or something; I for one really enjoyed my course.  Did it in November, no snow, no bugs, no mud.  I got to eat a bunny eye for supper the night before we went out on our Solo phase.

Sea Survival, good trg and lots of fun (unless you are prone to sea sickness).  We had someone who got green around the gills on the crash boat..before it even slipped lines!  ;D


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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2015, 14:33:02 »
BSERE is called something else now - Aircrew Survival Land or something; I for one really enjoyed my course.  Did it in November, no snow, no bugs, no mud.  I got to eat a bunny eye for supper the night before we went out on our Solo phase.

Sea Survival, good trg and lots of fun (unless you are prone to sea sickness).  We had someone who got green around the gills on the crash boat..before it even slipped lines!  ;D

I'm looking forward to it! Hopefully not in the mosquito/blackfly season, haha!

No idea if I'll end up with sea sickness. Hopefully not! How long do you have to spend in the crash boat?
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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2015, 14:53:53 »
How long do you have to spend in the crash boat?

Not long, just the transit out to the 'ditch' area then...you get to jump off it.

They're nice enough to come back to pick you up after a few hours even!

All well worth it, just keep your eyes on the prize  ;)

 
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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2015, 19:18:43 »
As an aside, it's interesting, with the required training, that Flight Stewards are just a one-posting deal - it doesn't seem like long enough to recoup training costs.  The RAAF has it (Crew Attendant) as a standard aircrew NCM trade.

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/airforce/jobs/CrewAttendant/
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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2015, 07:40:57 »
As an aside, it's interesting, with the required training, that Flight Stewards are just a one-posting deal - it doesn't seem like long enough to recoup training costs.  The RAAF has it (Crew Attendant) as a standard aircrew NCM trade.

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/airforce/jobs/CrewAttendant/

Funny you should mention that. Right now they can't afford to post everyone in. For the upcoming couple of courses, they've gone through all of the Trenton applications, and filled it with people who are already posted here. And even though it says it's a 3-4 year stint, there are a few of them who've been in the position well over seven years. Also, I guess it's not that different than anything else -- a lot of trades have a three year initial contract, and the CAF trains them and some of them leave after their three is up. It must be worth it, or they'd make it a longer go, I would think.


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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2015, 07:42:16 »
Not long, just the transit out to the 'ditch' area then...you get to jump off it.

They're nice enough to come back to pick you up after a few hours even!

All well worth it, just keep your eyes on the prize  ;)

 

As long as I'm in a life jacket, I'm all good!  ;D I'm looking forward to it, thanks for the info!
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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2015, 10:21:30 »
I'm not slighting any current Sqn members, but in the past they have had a problem getting a few career managers to take some individuals back.

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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2015, 19:49:08 »
I'm not slighting any current Sqn members, but in the past they have had a problem getting a few career managers to take some individuals back.

I've seen a few who've been there forever. But I've also seen a LOT of techs get booted right at the three year mark, because we (spec pay trades) are more expensive to keep there.

AMT is decent so far! Lots of Powerpoint, but we got to use NVGs today, which was new!
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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2015, 19:52:55 »
You're on AMT with an AES Op from our Sqn.  Small world.

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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2015, 20:35:25 »
You're on AMT with an AES Op from our Sqn.  Small world.

I think it's about a third AES Ops, a third Navs, and a third FA/MP/other. :D There are a lot of flight suits in there, hahaha, just a few of us in CADPAT.
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Questions about Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2015, 04:58:16 »
Hello,

I recently applied for the Position Flight Steward/Attendant on the Forces.ca website, I got an e-mail today to send an e-mail to another e-mail address to make an appointment.
I have just finished college last month for Hospitality management and tourism (does not really apply?), and I am very interested in this position.

My question is what are the chances for someone like me with that background to obtain this position? (I do speak three different languages if that helps)
What does this job entitle me to do? (I did read the What they do and Working environment)
What sort of training would I have to go through?
What are the chances for relocation as I currently reside in Vancouver, B.C?

I am not looking at this job as a stepping stone, but as a long time career.

Thank you.

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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2015, 05:00:14 »
Thank you for this post, I also just made a post myself with a bit more question as well, but this was a great read!  :)

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Re: Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2015, 18:29:49 »
I thought Flight Stewards/Attendants had to be serving members, QL5, etc. 

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Re: Questions about Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2015, 19:35:41 »
I recently applied for the Position Flight Steward/Attendant on the Forces.ca website, I got an e-mail today to send an e-mail to another e-mail address to make an appointment.

My question is what are the chances for someone like me with that background to obtain this position? (I do speak three different languages if that helps)

That's an easy question to answer.  Your chances of joining the CF as a Flight Steward/Attendant from off the street are ZERO!

Flight Steward is an internal assignment within the CF and these positions are filled by currently serving members of the CF on a short term basis.  After 3-4 years, the CF members serving in these positions, return to their normal occupations.
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Re: Questions about Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2015, 23:27:33 »
That's an easy question to answer.  Your chances of joining the CF as a Flight Steward/Attendant from off the street are ZERO!

Flight Steward is an internal assignment within the CF and these positions are filled by currently serving members of the CF on a short term basis.  After 3-4 years, the CF members serving in these positions, return to their normal occupations.

I see, thank you! It was between this and Cathay and I thought I would learn a lot more through this. On the training section did say I will have to go through basic training in Quebec, then Nova Scotia.

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Re: Questions about Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2015, 23:34:33 »
I see, thank you! It was between this and Cathay and I thought I would learn a lot more through this. On the training section did say I will have to go through basic training in Quebec, then Nova Scotia.
You probably applied for Steward which is a hard sea trade.  You would have the option to do a tour as Flight Steward as does a bunch of other trades.  As a Steward you would most likely spend more time at sea than in the air.
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Re: Questions about Flight Steward/Attendant
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2015, 07:55:28 »
You probably applied for Steward which is a hard sea trade.  You would have the option to do a tour as Flight Steward as does a bunch of other trades.  As a Steward you would most likely spend more time at sea than in the air.

And even if you do get the Flight Steward posting, it's literally for three or four years, and then you're back to the Navy. You have to be willing to spend a long time as a Navy steward (or a cook) to even have a chance to apply for Flight Steward, and there's no guarantees, the selection is what it is.
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Flight Steward and Air Factor
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2016, 19:49:53 »
I am hoping someone can shed some light on this.  Flight Steward and Flight Attendant both require an Air Factor of 4.  I am a 5.  Does this mean (similar to having a 3 for occupation, when you need a 2) that I will not qualify for Flight Steward?  I believe that I already know the answer to my question, but wanted to put it out there. 

Flight Steward #'s are 333334 where I am 131235

A4 •Assigned to Search and Rescue (SAR) Specialists (00101), Aerospace Controller (AEC) (00184 including Air Traffic, Air Weapons Controllers), Aerospace Control Operator (AC Op) (00337 including Air Traffic, Air Weapons), Loadmasters (00170-01), Flight Stewards (00165-01), Flight Attendants, Aeromedical Training Officers (AMTO) (00197), and Flight Technician – Aeromed (00334-05), Flight Surgeons (00196-04), Flight Nurses (00195-01), Flight Medical technicians (00334-01) medical fit for unrestricted duties in air operations

 
A5 •Assigned to non-aircrew CF personnel medically fit to fly as passengers in CF aircraft
 

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Re: Flight Steward and Air Factor
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2016, 20:00:18 »
Everybody by default has an Air Factor of 5 (fit to fly as a passenger), until they undergo an aircrew flight medical. People who then fail that aircrew medical might then get assigned Air Factor 3 or 7, depending on the specific situation.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-medical-occupations/cf-medical-category-system.page

So if you have a 5 you probably have never been tested by a flight surgeon. That's normal, every starts as a 5. Get tested, find out if you're suitable for Air Factor 4, and good luck.

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Re: Flight Steward and Air Factor
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2016, 20:33:54 »
Yup!

Basically, you need to book an appointment with your BHosp/CDU to have an initial aircrew medical done, tell them what for (Flight Steward) and what timeline you need it.  There is a Pt 1 and Pt 2...if both are good, you should be able to get a signature on your VOT application (Section/Part 2 IIRC) where the Flight Surgeon will sign it 'fit initial aircrew' or something along that line, the file then gets sent to CFEME/AUMB (Aerospace Unwater Medical Board) in Toronto; they are the only folks in the CAF that can assign the required factors for aircrew and divers.

They will then determine/assign your permanent AF and your Med Cat will be changed officially.

However, the important part for your OT application is the "fit initial aircrew" signature from your local Flt Srgn;  make that appointment asap to get the ball rolling.

Just for clarity, despite the fact that Flight Stewards are Flight Crew vice Aircrew, they still do the 'aircrew medical' and all the same stuff aircrew trades do for AF assignment.  So, expect things like bloodwork, BMI, waist circumference etc to be part of the process. 
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Re: Flight Steward and Air Factor
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2016, 20:56:01 »
Guys, thank you.  I'm getting to the short end of my rope and wishing that I had not done a particular surgery.  It ended up putting my occupation as a 3 where a lot of trades require a 2 now.  I had been looking at doing an actual remuster to Supply tech but as of April 1st the category changed.  So as a current Steward, I have flight to look to as an option.  I will get an aircrew medical done and get the ball rolling.

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Re: Flight Steward and Air Factor
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2016, 21:27:12 »
Guys, thank you.  I'm getting to the short end of my rope and wishing that I had not done a particular surgery.  It ended up putting my occupation as a 3 where a lot of trades require a 2 now.  I had been looking at doing an actual remuster to Supply tech but as of April 1st the category changed.  So as a current Steward, I have flight to look to as an option.  I will get an aircrew medical done and get the ball rolling.

If you're RegF and have a low-risk AR/MEL (looks like yours is O3) and are retained without restrictions, there may be a possibility of getting a waiver for the 3 in order to VOT. Not a guarantee, but it's possible depending on the situation. Your CoC would been to be engaged.